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[Super Drone]

I really wasn't aware the romance thing was this serious lol!

 

Never been on the DA Forums then, I take it?

[Incantrix]

Never been on the DA Forums then, I take it?

sure I have. I mean, I knew there was fandom but I never realized things could get this heated about pixelated characters.  I myself am a Vivienne and Dorian fan, but I never got upset about Viv not being romanceable lol. I did take a break from here for a while. maybe that's it. 

[Shadow Fox]

It wouldn't be as bad if they gave Cassandra some badass long hair. Not in an "updo", but down. Bioware seems to be allergic to long hair, though.

What did I mean by badass long hair? Well, something like... Exhibit A!

*loads shot gun*

 

Leave her *and Leli's* perfect short hair alone!

[HiroVoid]

I bet it came down to costs (that's why race-gates as well) and story reasons (Cullen and Solas more fit to romanceable character than Vivi? Idk.).

Yeah.  I think this was the post by Gaider on costs.

 

 

Rather than respond directly, a couple of comments based on a few recent posts:

 

1) Making all (or most, it seems) romances bisexual:

 

That could be done. Of course, since doing so just added on all the extra cinematic work to add the extra genders into the various cinematic conversations (different genders are different heights, requiring extra camera work and a LOT of extra attention in any scene where the two characters interact), that would also mean cutting down on the number of total romances. It is NOT a matter of flipping a switch to add extra options because someone thought that would be more fair... not for genders, not for races. It also means less opportunities to tell new stories, and less variety. So if you're picturing a bonanza where all those romances would now be available to everyone... that was never on the table, and never could be.

 

Also, anyone arguing that straight characters shouldn't exist because "straight people have gotten enough in the past" is going to be summarily ignored. You can have whatever opinion you wish, but this game is not here to single-handedly make up for all of gaming's issues with representation, and suggesting it should be so is likely only to provide fuel for those who erroneously espouse that it is already so.

 

2) Vivienne, as a black woman, not being a LI:

 

I get that some people are disappointed. That's fair--she's pretty awesome, and could have made for an interesting romance if she had been concepted for one. Considering that one could also make an argument about a black woman being present in the game solely to be a fetishized sex object (as if no-one ever made this argument about Isabela?), or that this brings up awkward discussions about skin color vis à vis Josephine, I'm not sure this is a good road to go down. I would hope a character could make for great representation in the game, and do so by being a great character and not solely by whether or not they're available to be romanced, and that this will be evident once someone plays.

[safehayven]

Really, this is still a thing?  One, someone is always going to be disappointed.  No one is ever going to get all the options they wanted.  Two, sexuality is not fluid.  If you're straight, if you're bi, if you're pan, or gay, etc, etc whatever snowflake you are - that's part of your identity.  It makes sense for the characters to not all be bi, even sans consideration of cost and production. Regarding Cullen and Solas: they've emphasized that there is a reason for their racegating and sexuality.  Cullen was always straight, and it makes sense that he has issues with qunari.  Solas (and this is just my guess) is most likely more interested in making little elven babies than anything else.  

 

Also.  A majority of the companions are male.  You could even say men are better represented in the game.  This also means, though, that there are going to be higher odds of there being more options for straight women because, shock of all shocks, there are more men there!  There are options for everyone - literally, every orientation.  Come on, guys.  That's pretty awesome.  Maybe you didn't get the particular romance you wanted - that's life, isn't it?  Not everyone you're attracted to (by-the-by, completely superficially, since we really don't know much about the characterizations and are basing this on a little personality info and a lot of physical judgement) is going to be interested.  It's a game.  Get over it.

 

To wrap up: characters are characters.  We're all making judgements before playing the game.  I'm excited.  All of these twists and turns just in the romance reveals tells me that there is going to be some good character development.  I grant, I'm a flexible player - I play all genders and all sexualities without issue.  If the character is interesting, if the story is consistent, and if the romance is developed well - who friggin' cares?

[MCG]

The above post is far too glorious, wish there were more people with a similar attitude. I played straight in both Dragon Age games thus far and loved every minute of them and I'm gay, who cares who you fall in love with, I'd love to see a straight male to turn 'round and go "Yo dude that Dorian romance was pretty sick (as in good, obviously)"!

 

Also, "If the character is interesting, if the story is consistent, and if the romance is developed well - who friggin' cares?"

[Melca36]

The above post is far too glorious, wish there were more people with a similar attitude. I played straight in both Dragon Age games thus far and loved every minute of them and I'm gay, who cares who you fall in love with, I'd love to see a straight male to turn 'round and go "Yo dude that Dorian romance was pretty sick (as in good, obviously)"!

 

Also, "If the character is interesting, if the story is consistent, and if the romance is developed well - who friggin' cares?"

 

Exactly.   I plan to play the game MORE than once and I fully intend to roll characters for Dorian, Sera, Blackwall, Solas, Cullen, etc.

 

There were things that annoyed me in DA2 like when I was romancing Anders with an mHawke and Leandra wanted to find Hawke a suitable wife.  I wish we had dialogue choices to tell her that NOT to do that.

 

I want to see Dorian chuckle but politely decline my female inquisitor's flirts.  

 

I want to see Varric shake his head and say "Get a room you two," when my Inquisitor and his or her love interest publicly show affection for each other.

 

My sexuality is not a deciding factor on how I play this games.  I play games to relax and escape.

 

The problem is alot of people are using the representation excuse when the real truth is they can't romance who they want this time around. 

 

Also...I see alot of people who want to romance Dorian if he can be modded without his mustache and these same people claim to hate mods that change the characters.    I call that hypocrisy. 

[QueenofFereldan]

Really, this is still a thing?  One, someone is always going to be disappointed.  No one is ever going to get all the options they wanted.  Two, sexuality is not fluid.  If you're straight, if you're bi, if you're pan, or gay, etc, etc whatever snowflake you are - that's part of your identity.  It makes sense for the characters to not all be bi, even sans consideration of cost and production. Regarding Cullen and Solas: they've emphasized that there is a reason for their racegating and sexuality.  Cullen was always straight, and it makes sense that he has issues with qunari.  Solas (and this is just my guess) is most likely more interested in making little elven babies than anything else.  

 

Also.  A majority of the companions are male.  You could even say men are better represented in the game.  This also means, though, that there are going to be higher odds of there being more options for straight women because, shock of all shocks, there are more men there!  There are options for everyone - literally, every orientation.  Come on, guys.  That's pretty awesome.  Maybe you didn't get the particular romance you wanted - that's life, isn't it?  Not everyone you're attracted to (by-the-by, completely superficially, since we really don't know much about the characterizations and are basing this on a little personality info and a lot of physical judgement) is going to be interested.  It's a game.  Get over it.

 

To wrap up: characters are characters.  We're all making judgements before playing the game.  I'm excited.  All of these twists and turns just in the romance reveals tells me that there is going to be some good character development.  I grant, I'm a flexible player - I play all genders and all sexualities without issue.  If the character is interesting, if the story is consistent, and if the romance is developed well - who friggin' cares?

 

The bold part, I don't believe is the case and I still consider it a poor excuse for people to explain Solas' reasons for being straight or preferring elves. But, that is your guess. We'll just wait until the game.

 

Everything else? I agree with. Seriously, I think I would've been mad if Cullen was bi, simply because evidence in Origins suggests otherwise, while in Anders' case, you can see where there were hints of him being bi.

[Melca36]

The bold part, I don't believe is the case and I still consider it a poor excuse for people to explain Solas' reasons for being straight or preferring elves. But, that is your guess. We'll just wait until the game.

 

Everything else? I agree with. Seriously, I think I would've been mad if Cullen was bi, simply because evidence in Origins suggests otherwise, while in Anders' case, you can see where there were hints of him being bi.

 

 

RE: Cullen

 

I agree about Anders and the hints in Awakening.   Had Cullen flirted with the male mages of both races back in Origins...I have no doubt he would have been Bi in Inquisition.

[QueenofFereldan]

RE: Cullen

 

I agree about Anders and the hints in Awakening.   Had Cullen flirted with the male mages of both races back in Origins...I have no doubt he would have been Bi in Inquisition.

 

Neither would I, but he didn't. It's why I agree with him being female only, because of that.

 

Although...I kinda figured he may be the one gated against dwarves and qunari...for some reason.   When I first heard, I thought of him and his thoughts on the elven and human race female mages. And I was really surprise that Solas was straight...I was thinking he would be bi due to thinking they may do the 2/4/2 thing for equality.

[MCG]

Honesty in all Bioware games I've disassociated myself from the protagonists by giving them a majority of their own personalities, even by having this kind of playstyle I've never connected with a character as much as I did Shephard from ME2. For 'Inquisition' though I intend to play with a majority of my own personality so my romance options will be guided by how I'd feel toward them personally this time around, I've never done it like this before. If I end up romancing no-one then so what, it's how the circumstances go.

 

I kinda wish people would just get on what romances they're given, when it comes to sexuality and racial diversity it's the best Bioware has done to date. Yeah I guess straight males could have done with one/two more but next game you never know, circumstances might work out better for you next time. 

[Melca36]

Neither would I, but he didn't. It's why I agree with him being female only, because of that.

 

Although...I kinda figured he may be the one gated against dwarves and qunari...for some reason.   When I first heard, I thought of him and his thoughts on the elven and human race female mages. And I was really surprise that Solas was straight...I was thinking he would be bi due to thinking they may do the 2/4/2 thing for equality.

 

Cullen insulted my dwarf back in Origins so I kind of knew he'd be gated.      Solas was the one who surprised me the most. That said...I can't wait to roll a female elf to experience him and see why he is gated.   

[Ryzaki]

Cullen being gated is understandable but I admit it killed a lot of my interest in romancing him. Same with Solas really (except instead of a lot it was all).

 

On the upside though my interest in Blackwall has skyrocketed so there's something XD

[QueenofFereldan]

Cullen insulted my dwarf back in Origins so I kind of knew he'd be gated.      Solas was the one who surprised me the most. That said...I can't wait to roll a female elf to experience him and see why he is gated. 

 

Funny...he didn't insult mine...huh...maybe I didn't choose the right words. XD But he did seem a little more friendlier with mine when I had her choose the templars in the end.

 

But same here with Solas. I would definitely want to learn more. 'Sides, I don't believe it is the whole "elven baby" reason solely...sorry, but I hate that reason...it makes it seem like guys are interested solely in women for that reason only...

[SmilesJA]

Really, this is still a thing?  One, someone is always going to be disappointed.  No one is ever going to get all the options they wanted.  Two, sexuality is not fluid.  If you're straight, if you're bi, if you're pan, or gay, etc, etc whatever snowflake you are - that's part of your identity.  It makes sense for the characters to not all be bi, even sans consideration of cost and production. Regarding Cullen and Solas: they've emphasized that there is a reason for their racegating and sexuality.  Cullen was always straight, and it makes sense that he has issues with qunari.  Solas (and this is just my guess) is most likely more interested in making little elven babies than anything else.  

 

Also.  A majority of the companions are male.  You could even say men are better represented in the game.  This also means, though, that there are going to be higher odds of there being more options for straight women because, shock of all shocks, there are more men there!  There are options for everyone - literally, every orientation.  Come on, guys.  That's pretty awesome.  Maybe you didn't get the particular romance you wanted - that's life, isn't it?  Not everyone you're attracted to (by-the-by, completely superficially, since we really don't know much about the characterizations and are basing this on a little personality info and a lot of physical judgement) is going to be interested.  It's a game.  Get over it.

 

To wrap up: characters are characters.  We're all making judgements before playing the game.  I'm excited.  All of these twists and turns just in the romance reveals tells me that there is going to be some good character development.  I grant, I'm a flexible player - I play all genders and all sexualities without issue.  If the character is interesting, if the story is consistent, and if the romance is developed well - who friggin' cares?

 

NO! I'll never get over it! NEVER!!!!! 

 

[ShadyKat]

As someone that rolls dwarf most of the time, felt like dwarves got shafted yet again. 3 games and a major expansion, and still not a single dwarf romance available? I know Gaider has a hang up over dwarf romances, but come on. If I am a dwarf, it would be nice to be able to romance my own race.

[Panda]

Although it's only speculation Solas possibly wanting female elf for elf baby reasons killed all of my intrest of romancing him. There is no way my quizzy will be reduced to baby-popping-machine!  

[Icy Magebane]

As someone that rolls dwarf most of the time, felt like dwarves got shafted yet again. 3 games and a major expansion, and still not a single dwarf romance available? I know Gaider has a hang up over dwarf romances, but come on. If I am a dwarf, it would be nice to be able to romance my own race.

I wouldn't be opposed to a race gated dwarf LI if the supposed hang up is based on mixed couples... but on the other hand, dwarven PCs will have been mixing with human LIs for two games once Inquisition is released, so I don't really understand what the problem could be.  Maybe this "hang up" is just a rumor...

[SmilesJA]

Although it's only speculation Solas possibly wanting female elf for elf baby reasons killed all of my intrest of romancing him. There is no way my quizzy will be reduced to baby-popping-machine!  

 

But you'll be having babies with Nicolas Cage!

[Jaronking]

personally i wished start male inquisitors had more romance options but am fine with the two we have i wanted romance Cassandra  since 2 also josephine is sexy as hell but do what i do when rp a girl you don't have to romance a male character whenever i play as a girl i play a lesbian character because i can't see my character romancing a dude  because i wouldn't its a role playing game dude you can do whatever you want with your character 

[CrimsonN7]

But you'll be having babies with Nicolas Cage!

 

[Panda]

It's not all about numbers though. Although I'm straight female I'm much more looking forward romances as male character than female. I just like LI's for male quizzys more. Also no race-gates!

[Lebanese Dude]

I agree.

 

When I saw Cassandra I could tell that she misses quite a few meals.

 

Omg look at her butt. Look at her butt... Look at it. It's quite alarming.

 

 

 

 

I mean... my anaconda dont want none unless they got buns hun.

 

 

[Argetfalcon]

Hey I'm not complaining about the game. I'm still gonna get it because it looks awesome. I'm just saying I'm slightly disappointed by this one particular aspect. 

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

As someone that rolls dwarf most of the time, felt like dwarves got shafted yet again. 3 games and a major expansion, and still not a single dwarf romance available? I know Gaider has a hang up over dwarf romances, but come on. If I am a dwarf, it would be nice to be able to romance my own race.

 

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a race gated dwarf LI if the supposed hang up is based on mixed couples... but on the other hand, dwarven PCs will have been mixing with human LIs for two games once Inquisition is released, so I don't really understand what the problem could be.  Maybe this "hang up" is just a rumor...

 

 

Yeah, anyone got a source for this "hang up" that Gaider has about dwarf romances, or is it just an assumption since DA hasn't had a dwarf romance? 

 

Now, to go Devil's Advocate for a minute, maybe Gaider could have the same thoughts the modding community has.   Take a look at mods sometime.  Everything is for humans and elves... There are a few dwarf friendly mods, but I'd say 95% of mods are either restricted to human-elf, or else they just are non existent for dwarves in that if you try to wear it on a dwarf you become invisible (ala most of Hsil's otherwise stellar work). 

So, it could be that all the evidence from the modding community and what they do, implies that the majority of players don't care about dwarves, why should Bioware?