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[Mihura]

The point that jamskinner makes is pretty logical. The advisors will not be travelling with us outside specific story missions (like the Leliana one in the gameplay trailer). The debs have stated that they have equivalent content with the exception of banter.

 

The issue with this is that a significant amount of attachment to characters stems not just from cutscene-style interaction, but from both the banter and (arguably more importantly) the time you spend with them. You can form attachment to fairly two-dimensional and bland characters purely on the basis of 'time served', because (for example) 'that time you and Cassandra beat those fifteen people and were the last ones standing' becomes part of the way the player processes their attachment to the character. Both the banter and the 'time served' element will be vastly reduced for the advisors purely on grounds of gameplay mechanics. This means that, depending on exactly how BioWare have worked around this, even if Cullen and Josephine have identical amounts of romance dialogue and cutscenes as the party members the romances could still end up feeling nebulously weaker. BioWare knows these restraints, though, so I'm interested in how they solved the problem.

 

That is the problem I have with the advisers, for example Cullen and Leliana can get on some missions with you but Josephine is not a warrior or a spy, so I can only see her on social parties. I really do not know how they solved the problem but I hope at least we get more times and more profound conversations with the adviser to compensate. 

[Melca36]

That is the problem I have with the advisers, for example Cullen and Leliana can get on some missions with you but Josephine is not a warrior or a spy, so I can only see her on social parties. I really do not know how they solved the problem but I hope at least we get more times and more profound conversations with the adviser to compensate. 

Um the developers ALREADy said we would.  

[CuriousArtemis]

Guuurl....

Are we looking at different Character Creators? Because the customization options are insane, beyond any previous Bioware title. Surely you have created sexbombs with the inferior ones?

Look at my avatar...mod-less male Hawke that took a lot of tinkering but now leads me to ogle at the screen every cinematic. That low res picture does not do him justice..rawr

You cray.

 

Oh yes I've definitely been able to make some hawt Hawkes I don't doubt we'll be able to make some really hot male humans in the CC. It's just the elf they tried to make looked really derpy. I'm going to be playing primarily as an elf. My goal isn't to make myself look hot (lol although why not) but just a face I can relate to, serious and thoughtful, more "Legolas" than they were even able to approach. Also the hairstyles are just... blech.

[BobZilla84]

No, I prefer Josephine as an Antivan Merchant Princess rather than a Dwarf. Much more unique story there. 

And she couldnt have been an Antivan Merchant Princess that was a Dwarf?

 

 

Maybe you can flirt or have a one shot with that other female dwarf whom is a scout, they did say you can try at someone whom is not a companion or adviser, or maybe we will get some at a brothel lol am kinda excited to if we get one

I hate that we have both Harding/Dagna and neither are romanceable I am expecting to be Avelined again thanks alot Bioware.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It's not their personalities that I have a problem with. It's their looks. Granted, I obviously didn't romance Tali for her looks... but she had "dat voice tho". We'll see.

[Jasuke34]

On the topic of merely looks, I initially found Cassandra unattractive. However that was before I was unaware of the context. She is mid to late 30's. Of course she is not going to look the same way a 20-25 year old would look. She's had more wear and tear on the body so obviously she won't be as..."attractive."

 

That said, I simply don't know enough about Josephine/Cass's personalities to know which one I will romance. As a mage, I'd kinda like a romance option more sympathetic to my cause and people. As an elf I would like someone who is also an elf. It just bugs me that the straight male options are so....dull. At least based on what we have seen so far.

 

Oh well...Cass at least has the cougar thing going for her..

[garrusfan1]

Who are the romancble characters anyway.

 

I know casandra is definetly one and I heard the elf female mage is too. But what about varric and iron bull

[Ceoldoren]

On the topic of merely looks, I initially found Cassandra unattractive. However that was before I was unaware of the context. She is mid to late 30's. Of course she is not going to look the same way a 20-25 year old would look. She's had more wear and tear on the body so obviously she won't be as..."attractive."

 

That said, I simply don't know enough about Josephine/Cass's personalities to know which one I will romance. As a mage, I'd kinda like a romance option more sympathetic to my cause and people. As an elf I would like someone who is also an elf. It just bugs me that the straight male options are so....dull. At least based on what we have seen so far.

 

Oh well...Cass at least has the cougar thing going for her..

While I find most of the straight male complaints to be spoken from a position of privilege. (Heh, I sound like a SJW). This one does have some merit.

 

Not to say the characters are bad. Just that they're pretty normal compared to Solas. Cole, Varric. Sera. Bull...pretty much everyone.

 

They are still good characters and I think I'll like them quite a bit. But It could use a bit of variety.

 

(If I hear anyone say Sera should of been bi/straight...)

[Ceoldoren]

Who are the romancble characters anyway.

 

I know casandra is definetly one and I heard the elf female mage is too. But what about varric and iron bull

There is no elf female mage. The only female Elf is Sera, an archer who runs with a gang of sorts.

 

The other options are: Solas, Josie (Sorry, I can never remember how to spell her real name) Iron Bull, Blackwall, Cullen, Sera, and Dorian.

[garrusfan1]

While I find most of the straight male complaints to be spoken from a position of privilege. (Heh, I sound like a SJW). This one does have some merit.

 

Not to say the characters are bad. Just that they're pretty normal compared to Solas. Cole, Varric. Sera. Bull...pretty much everyone.

 

They are still good characters and I think I'll like them quite a bit. But It could use a bit of variety.

 

(If I hear anyone say Sera should of been bi/straight...)

EH bioware hasn't been bad when it comes to straight male options. DAO had leliana and morrigan. DA2 had issabela. ME1 had ashley who in ME1 was cool and liara. ME2 had miranda,jack,and tali. and ME3 had ashely,liara,and tali (sorry miranda and jacks romance lines weren't that great so I don't count them. But that horse has been beaten to death) 

 

That said in DAO straight female options were pretty good. You had alistar and zevran although  zevran was meh. DA2 you had fenris who was okay. However straight female options in ME1 were crappy. Kaiden in ME1 was boring. Me2 had garrus which should have been enough but you got thane too. Sorry jacob sucked. In ME3 you got kaiden (who was kinda cool in ME3) and you got garrus who was the best LI in any game and I am a heterosexual man.  Bioware handles most romances well. Despite my complaining about most.

[garrusfan1]

There is no elf female mage. The only female Elf is Sera, an archer who runs with a gang of sorts.

 

The other options are: Solas, Josie (Sorry, I can never remember how to spell her real name) Iron Bull, Blackwall, Cullen, Sera, and Dorian.

thanks for the list. But I thought there was some female elf mage who was the leader or something of the circle of magi in orlais. My bad

[Eudaemonium]

thanks for the list. But I thought there was some female elf mage who was the leader or something of the circle of magi in orlais. My bad

 

You're probably thinking of Fiona, the former Warden who seems to be the current leader of the mages (also totally Alistair's mother).

[pengwin21]

While I find most of the straight male complaints to be spoken from a position of privilege. (Heh, I sound like a SJW). This one does have some merit.

 

Not to say the characters are bad. Just that they're pretty normal compared to Solas. Cole, Varric. Sera. Bull...pretty much everyone.

 

They are still good characters and I think I'll like them quite a bit. But It could use a bit of variety.

 

(If I hear anyone say Sera should of been bi/straight...)

 

I dunno why being a Seeker and dragonslayer is necessarily more 'normal' than being part of a criminal gang or being a surface dwarf who tells stories. Josie might be normal (although we don't much about her), but Cassandra is pretty exceptional in-universe.

[In Exile]

You're probably thinking of Fiona, the former Warden who seems to be the current leader of the mages (also totally Alistair's mother).

Been confirmed, so definitely Alistiar's mother. 

[Chernaya]

EH bioware hasn't been bad when it comes to straight male options. DAO had leliana and morrigan. DA2 had issabela. ME1 had ashley who in ME1 was cool and liara. ME2 had miranda,jack,and tali. and ME3 had ashely,liara,and tali (sorry miranda and jacks romance lines weren't that great so I don't count them. But that horse has been beaten to death) 

 

That said in DAO straight female options were pretty good. You had alistar and zevran although  zevran was meh. DA2 you had fenris who was okay. However straight female options in ME1 were crappy. Kaiden in ME1 was boring. Me2 had garrus which should have been enough but you got thane too. Sorry jacob sucked. In ME3 you got kaiden (who was kinda cool in ME3) and you got garrus who was the best LI in any game and I am a heterosexual man.  Bioware handles most romances well. Despite my complaining about most.

 

Well, femshepards only got Garrus in ME3 if they previously romanced him. It was possible for straight females to end up with nobody if they didn't romance Garrus in ME2 and killed Kaidan on Virmire. 

 

I do agree that the straight male options this time around kind of lack variety, which is unfortunate. Both are human, which could have been something changed up.. I mean there was Merrill in DA2 of course, but that's been the only non-human romance for straight men so far. Still, I think both Cassandra and Josephine are going to be excellent and well written characters. People may have doubts, but I think that's mainly because we've had such a long time speculating and haven't played the game for ourselves yet.

[Ceoldoren]

I dunno why being a Seeker and dragonslayer is necessarily more 'normal' than being part of a criminal gang or being a surface dwarf who tells stories. Josie might be normal (although we don't much about her), but Cassandra is pretty exceptional in-universe.

I'm not saying she isn't exceptional. I'm saying that straight male romances could use some more variety race wise.

 

I'm not going to argue over whether or not Cass and Josie are good and or interesting characters. Because I think they are. But just about every orientation has a non-human option. And I could see why someone might be disappointed to get two humans.

[In Exile]

Well, femshepards only got Garrus in ME3 if they previously romanced him. It was possible for straight females to end up with nobody if they didn't romance Garrus in ME2 and killed Kaidan on Virmire. 

 

I do agree that the straight male options this time around kind of lack variety, which is unfortunate. Both are human, which could have been something changed up.. I mean there was Merrill in DA2 of course, but that's been the only non-human romance for straight men so far. Still, I think both Cassandra and Josephine are going to be excellent and well written characters. People may have doubts, but I think that's mainly because we've had such a long time speculating and haven't played the game for ourselves yet.

 

I've never gotten the race thing, tbh. At least between human and elves - the models are pretty much identical. A qunari or dwarf is physically different enough, sure, but basically the IB is the only example and he is available to dudes... they just have to be willing to branch out.

[pengwin21]

I'm not saying she isn't exceptional. I'm saying that straight male romances could use some more variety race wise.

 

I'm not going to argue over whether or not Cass and Josie are good and or interesting characters. Because I think they are. But just about every orientation has a non-human option. And I could see why someone might be disappointed to get two humans.

 

This is fair, although I'll note that 3 out of the 5 romanceable males are also humans. Overall, I don't think the "problem" here is romances, it's that there are 4 human females and 1 elf female among all companions/advisors. The racial diversity should probably start there rather than looking at who straight males can romance.

[Jasuke34]

My issues is even less tied to race than you would think. It comes down a great bit to ideology. Like..straight male options are limited to the Chantry/traditional world view. Gay males have Dorian a Tevinter Mage. Gay females have Sera, a robin hood esque elf. Straight females have the Iron Bull, a Qunari mercenary. (And female elves have solas)

 

Straight males are stuck with characters from the same tradition. Josie and Cass might be different in personality, but they almost certainly share the same motivations.

[Cyrus Amell]

Honestly I was only dissapointed that Viviene and Varric were not romance options. Varric especially, I thought they were just saving him for Inquisition and it certainly would have made being a dwarven woman a more interesting prospect. When it comes to Viviene I thought her and my Mage Inquisitor would have made an adorable power couple, but if she has more pressing matters to attend to I can respect that too.

 

I think the range of romance options is fine. the Inquisition was from the start a human venture so it was never going to be some medieval-esque diversity team, humans were going to be the majority of members so it's only a mathematical coincidence that most of the romance options are also humans - but thats my take.

 

I respect Bioware's attempts to make romance a convincing addition to the story, even if most people have some reason to criticize the fine details.

[Drasanil]

The only one I'm sort of disappointed about is Sera and that's just because it means more purist male elves get no romance options. On the other hand I can still play a female purist with Solas, and the fact he's only into elf ladies makes it even better.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Honestly I was only dissapointed that Viviene and Varric were not romance options. Varric especially, I thought they were just saving him for Inquisition and it certainly would have made being a dwarven woman a more interesting prospect. When it comes to Viviene I thought her and my Mage Inquisitor would have made an adorable power couple, but if she has more pressing matters to attend to I can respect that too.

I think the range of romance options is fine. the Inquisition was from the start a human venture so it was never going to be some medieval-esque diversity team, humans were going to be the majority of members so it's only a mathematical coincidence that most of the romance options are also humans - but thats my take.

I respect Bioware's attempts to make romance a convincing addition to the story, even if most people have some reason to criticize the fine details.

I also thought they were saving Varric to be romancable in this game. I don't know why they chose not to.

[HTTP 404]

If bioware came out with a game with zero romance options, I would still be okay with that.  As long as there is still in depth relationships with others.  I also want to develop friendships and get to know certain characters and care about them without it being a romance.

 

I really like Varric and I think I am going to like Dorian a lot and would be interested in getting to know them without romance.

[Yinello]

Bioware doesn't want their Dwarf protagonists to be racists.

[Grieving Natashina]

If bioware came out with a game with zero romance options, I would still be okay with that.  As long as there is still in depth relationships with others.  I also want to develop friendships and get to know certain characters and care about them without it being a romance.

 

I really like Varric and I think I am going to like Dorian a lot and would be interested in getting to know them without romance.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  For years, the romances in BW games were either lacking for women, or we'd have a grand total of one option for the entire game.  So I learned to enjoy the friendships long before I ever tried a romance.  Daelan Red Tiger (NWN companion) is still one of my favorite friendships in any BW game.  

 

So if they did decide not to open the "Pandora's Box" of relationships with a new IP, I'd be okay with that.  I would just prefer if they didn't remove the feature for any future DA or ME games.