I don't think the romance options are disappointing in the slightest.
I mean, of course I am a little sad that my lady dwarf quizzy isn't going to be able to romance Solas, or Dorian, or Cass, that would've been awesome. But Bioware can't please everybody, and I prefer having set sexualities for each LI over the DA2 set up.
I think you have every right to be upset because any semblance of what makes a part of your identity is next to impossible to come by. I can understand that and I hope that'll be rectified in future installments.
But do not disparage my orientation and the orientation of others by implying, through the use of quotation marks, that the efforts in creating the current character line up is a half-arsed attempt at representation and we should feel bad for what we got.
Sorry. We can talk about being more inclusive, specifically of ambiguous sexualities, but this has been one petty quip too many.
The only reason I put them in quotation marks is because David Gaider put emphasis on those words at GaymerX this year. Thus the implication that any representation anyone felt in DA2 wasn't real. As you said, I'm allowed to be upset when within a half hour he rips what representation I had away, insults what I am by insinuating that it doesn't deserve representation, and saying he has no plans to do something like it in the future.
I feel the difference between Inquisition stle and DA2 style is different than what people think. No matter what we get 2 options, whether we LIKE those options is very random and will differ from game to game.
The difference is which is better? For character A to be unromanceable, but B and C are romanceable to everyone OR character A is for someone of a different sexuality but character C is solely for your sexuality.
Both times there were 2 options, and whether A will be the one you always wanted, or C is the person of your dreams, it all is a bit up in the air of who you will like and is actually separate from what romance system it has. The question is really are you alright with there being more options, some of which are just for you. Or rather there are less options but (other than extra characters like Cullen, Solas, and Sebastian) everyone has the same ones?
I actually am in favor of everyone getting the same love interests. Because when you have a situation like mine, where the three LIs I wanted ended up being for the wrong sexuality, then all it does is breed bitterness and frustration. You have to watch others coo over your preferred guys/gals and it's pretty painful and sucks the joy and anticipation out of the game. Of course at this point it is on me to just leave the fandom, which is something I've thought about doing many times.
But at least in DA2 we all got stuck with the same people. Nobody decided who my character should love on account of his gender. I made that decision.
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Ok, I just had to ask... what.
The only reason I put them in quotation marks is because David Gaider put emphasis on those words at GaymerX this year. Thus the implication that any representation anyone felt in DA2 wasn't real. As you said, I'm allowed to be upset when within a half hour he rips what representation I had away, insults what I am by insinuating that it doesn't deserve representation, and saying he has no plans to do something like it in the future.
I don't know what to say to alleviate your disappointment.
What is it that you want done without asking for the impossible right now? Considering the game is due in less than a month and it'll take years until the next game. What do you plan to do? I just don't think taking a shot when you can on the forums is... becoming, sorry to say.
I don't know what to say to alleviate your disappointment.
What is it that you want done without asking for the impossible right now? Considering the game is due in less than a month and it'll take years until the next game. What do you plan to do? I just don't think taking a shot when you can on the forums is... becoming, sorry to say.
There's really nothing you can say, sadly.
I know it won't be in this game, if that's what you mean by asking for the impossible. So the only thing I can do is try to get their attention by showing my disapproval of the current situation. As for taking a shot, I just get angry when people who have representation complain that they don't have enough when there are people who don't have any at all.
BioWare didn't make romance options for gay men, straight men, bi men, gay women, straight women, or bi women. It's a video game.
They made video game characters who are gay men, straight men, bi men, gay women, straight women, and bi women.
There's really nothing you can say, sadly.
I know it won't be in this game, if that's what you mean by asking for the impossible. So the only thing I can do is try to get their attention by showing my disapproval of the current situation. As for taking a shot, I just get angry when people who have representation complain that they don't have enough when there are people who don't have any at all.
But you just admitted earlier that Gaider had problems with with how DA:2's romance worked and plays to not repeat that same mistake in later games, so won't that make your showing of disapproval sorta pointless if the lead writer of the franchise stands confirm of having sexual preferences in in his games?
Unless of course you just like to argue about it even knowing that you won't change anything. Which is fine and funny in my opinion.
The romance options for both genders aren't bad but they aren't great either.
But you just admitted earlier that Gaider had problems with with how DA:2's romance worked and plays to not repeat that same mistake in later games, so won't that make your showing of disapproval sorta pointless if the lead writer of the franchise stands confirm of having sexual preferences in in his games?
Unless of course you just like to argue about it even knowing that you won't change anything. Which is fine and funny in my opinion.
Just because a writer says they don't plan to do something doesn't mean people should go "Well, okay then. What can you do?" If people did that, there wouldn't be LGBT romances at all for example. Minds can be and have been changed.
The romance options for both genders aren't bad but they aren't great either.
Oh sweet you must have played the game to suddenly know whether a romance will be great! Because if not, then you're just making a assumption about something you haven't even experienced yet, which would be so ridiculous that no self-respecting forum goer would do something that mind-bobbling. 
Well anyhow since you obviously played the game before all of us could you tell us all here how the Cullen romance ends!
I'm guessing it involves a lot of naughty mage and horny templar foreplay.
Well anyhow since you obviously played the game before all of us could you tell us all here how the Cullen romance ends!
If you survive you live happily ever after fighting evil all over the world. If you die in the climax well Cullen bows never to love anyone anymore and hold the memories of your time together.
Just because a writer says they don't plan to do something doesn't mean people should go "Well, okay then. What can you do?" If people did that, there wouldn't be LGBT romances at all for example. Minds can be and have been changed.
Yes indeed minds have been changed to a more sensible view from community outcry. For instance, Gaider changing his mind about all bisexual romances. Thank the Maker for fans like us to sit him straight.
Pun not intended.
If you survive you live happily ever after fighting evil all over the world. If you die in the climax well Cullen bows never to love anyone anymore and hold the memories of your time together.
Well, that latter possibility sure is depressing. Seriously Cullen its alright to move on after a few months of my death. Clingy much.
Well, that latter possibility sure is depressing. Seriously Cullen its alright to move on after a few months of my death. Clingy much.
Your Inquisitor will be the love of his life! How can you say that?!
Yes indeed minds have been changed to a more sensible view from community outcry. For instance, Gaider changing his mind about all bisexual romances. Thank the Maker for fans like us to sit him straight.
Pun not intended.
In all seriousness, I'm glad that they have bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual, and pansexual characters for those who wanted them. Unfortunately it came at the cost of the same for me. Especially with how some of it was handled.
Your Inquisitor will be the love of his life! How can you say that?!
Then maybe he should get another life. Josie and Leliana are literally right there to console you, Cullen-bro.
Then maybe he should get another life. Josie and Leliana are literally right there to console you, Cullen-bro.
There's really nothing you can say, sadly.
I know it won't be in this game, if that's what you mean by asking for the impossible. So the only thing I can do is try to get their attention by showing my disapproval of the current situation. As for taking a shot, I just get angry when people who have representation complain that they don't have enough when there are people who don't have any at all.
It wouldn't be fair of me to impose on you what I would do if I'm disatisfied with certain decisions creators make in things I could potentially enjoy (and thankfully, I've been pretty good at picking my fare). Yeah, it's true I'd get upset because why wouldn't you? I seek to find characters that speak to me in ways heterosexual characters can't, but for me, if I had always relied on outside sources for representation, I'd go nuts- primarily because I just grew up imagining and writing stories I'd wish to see for myself.
But that's just me and you're not me. I don't want to be that guy, but, you've tried writing your own stories and your own characters, haven't you? There's got to be a market out there for sexually ambiguous protagonists. In fact, the literary parts of the Internet I run around in are screaming for it. Sure, it's not Dragon Age and it's not something that you can just sit and enjoy, but that's one way of dealing with the lack of what you want there.
Someone's gotta do it, though.
For what it's worth, if I were on the writing team (ha ****** ha), I would have loved to have written this kind of character because I imagine it presents certain emotional turmoils and interactions you probably can't find with other orientations.
Why does representation have to come in the form of a romance?
Sometimes, I wish it didn't. But most everyone is a sucker for a good love story.
David Gaider said that he actually didn't much care for that attitude.
I think it bothered him that it's less about the characters and their personalities than race.
On my end, I'm a big fan of Cassandra and Josephine seems quite fun.
Call me speciest but...I actually like humans.
Sometimes I think fans really are asking for a -insert specific LI request here- because they like the idea of getting down with a -insert specific LI request here-. Maybe because they see that type of LI as exotic, or perhaps have a fetish for a certain body type.
Sometimes, however, I think a fan's request specific types of LI out of a desire to see more cultural diversity in the LI pool. I think Cass and Jospehine both have the potential to be wonderful, and very different characters, but as noble-blooded women striking out on their own they do come from fairly similar backgrounds. In a lore heavy game like Dragon Age, some cultural diversity can be pretty nice, as it allows the player to learn more about the the world and it's inhabitants as the pursue their romance.
By that system, then Blackwall would be bi as well since you're making all the original romance to be bi. Honestly, I would be ok with Blackwall. IronBull is like Zevran all over again with "anything that moves" bisexual stereotype while Dorian seems to be a bit flamboyant for my taste, not that there's anything wrong with that, but for once, can a gay romance has either a prince charming or knight in shining armor?
No it isn't. You are missing my point. I mean no matter what you will have 2 options whether anyone likes those options has nothing to do with the romance system. a better example in DA2 I guess.
Which is better?
Varric straight, Anders Bi, Fenris Gay?
OR
Anders and Fenris BI?
As long as they've taken out the dumb brothel services I'm okay with this. But if they also took out the drinking I'm cancelling my order! I want to have a pint with my fellows at Skyhold!
There's really nothing you can say, sadly.
I know it won't be in this game, if that's what you mean by asking for the impossible. So the only thing I can do is try to get their attention by showing my disapproval of the current situation. As for taking a shot, I just get angry when people who have representation complain that they don't have enough when there are people who don't have any at all.
If simply having representation meant that you shouldn't ask for equal representation, then you should not have been asking for representation until GaymerX because you thought Merrill was representing you. Simply having some representation is not enough to stop people from wanting to see more, equal, or better representation.
I have seen people tell you that you shouldn't expect or ask for representation and I disagree with them. But I find it suspect when you seem to feel the need to reply to other groups that also feel that they don't have sufficient representation with short, rude, and dismissive comments about how they have more representation than you with the implication that this means that they should just be quiet and accept what they get.
I hope you get representation in the game because it is something that I think is important. I also hope that you eventually feel that picking at the comments of other underrepresented groups will not fulfill your needs for representation.
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