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[aeoncs]

I'm happy to have Sera as a lesbian romance but I also can't help but feel that characters like Cass (important existing highly advertised characters) will always go to the majority. If the DA2 system was used I probably would have Cass and Sera available to my female inquisitors but I wouldn't have Sera as a character that represents me, which really makes me feel good.

Originally I wanted the DA2 system mostly because I wanted to romance Cass (long time obsession) and due to my inability to play male this won't happen but recently I've started to lean towards the set orientation system. My desire to be recognized has started to overcome my obsession. So even though I may never get the next Cass (which I won't quit fighting for), I hope to get characters that I can really enjoy like Sera.

I know we don't know much about Sera yet but I've grown attached to what we have.

 

That's a really healthy and positive attitude you've got there. I wish more people could be so reasonable and try to make the best of something instead of refusing to accept things just because it's not what they wanted it to be - then "they" might come to the same conclusion as you did: that something you originally don't like can be the sole thing you wanted all along, and that all you need is a little bit of receptiveness.

Good on you!

[heretica]

It probably just me, I really wanted to romance a female qunari. But the romance options for the men are just so uninteresting.

 

It might be just you. 

[EricSpade]

My biggest disappointment is that I can't have a romance with Harding, I so wanted to romance that cute little ball of murder 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It wouldn't be fair of me to impose on you what I would do if I'm disatisfied with certain decisions creators make in things I could potentially enjoy (and thankfully, I've been pretty good at picking my fare). Yeah, it's true I'd get upset because why wouldn't you? I seek to find characters that speak to me in ways heterosexual characters can't, but for me, if I had always relied on outside sources for representation, I'd go nuts- primarily because I just grew up imagining and writing stories I'd wish to see for myself.

 

But that's just me and you're not me. I don't want to be that guy, but, you've tried writing your own stories and your own characters, haven't you? There's got to be a market out there for sexually ambiguous protagonists. In fact, the literary parts of the Internet I run around in are screaming for it. Sure, it's not Dragon Age and it's not something that you can just sit and enjoy, but that's one way of dealing with the lack of what you want there.

 

Someone's gotta do it, though.

 

For what it's worth, if I were on the writing team (ha ****** ha), I would have loved to have written this kind of character because I imagine it presents certain emotional turmoils and interactions you probably can't find with other orientations.

I'm not a very good writer, especially with romance-related stuff since I have no experience in that subject. 

 

 

If simply having representation meant that you shouldn't ask for equal representation, then you should not have been asking for representation until GaymerX because you thought Merrill was representing you.  Simply having some representation is not enough to stop people from wanting to see more, equal, or better representation.

 

I have seen people tell you that you shouldn't expect or ask for representation and I disagree with them.  But I find it suspect when you seem to feel the need to reply to other groups that also feel that they don't have sufficient representation with short, rude, and dismissive comments about how they have more representation than you with the implication that this means that they should just be quiet and accept what they get. 

 

I hope you get representation in the game because it is something that I think is important.  I also hope that you eventually feel that picking at the comments of other underrepresented groups will not fulfill your needs for representation.

I haven't been asking for it until GaymerX actually. 

And I'm not saying other groups shouldn't ask for it, but that they should also be thankful that they have any at all instead of stuff like this "We should have the majority of the LIs" that came up for example. But it seems that only a few are allowed to pick and gripe at the setup. People who have had the majority and people who have had none aren't allowed to complain at all but those who have a little but want more are allowed to with impunity. 

[Melca36]

Sometimes I think fans really are asking for a -insert specific LI request here- because they like the idea of getting down with a -insert specific LI request here-. Maybe because they see that type of LI as exotic, or perhaps have a fetish for a certain body type. 

 

Sometimes, however, I think a fan's request specific types of LI out of a desire to see more cultural diversity in the LI pool. I think Cass and Jospehine both have the potential to be wonderful, and very different characters, but as noble-blooded women striking out on their own they do come from fairly similar backgrounds. In a lore heavy game like Dragon Age, some cultural diversity can be pretty nice, as it allows the player to learn more about the the world and it's inhabitants as the pursue their romance. 

 

 

 

First let me say  that  I definitely 100% believe representation is important.  Ive been arrested for civil disobedience while fighting for marriage equality in my state.  I even got a black eye in the process while fighting for my brother's right to marry.

 

But  that said, there are people on this forum who are USING that excuse though because they can't romance WHO  they want. 

 

It would be nice to see people just admit that instead of assuming the writers are denying them.

 

Sure people have the right to be upset but they did NOT intentionally write the characters this way to deprive anybody.

 

The writers do NOT owe us anything.  They have the right to write the characters how they WANT to write them.  It is selfish for anbody and I mean anybody no matter straight, gay, bi, asexual, etc to demand that the writers change their creations just to cater to their needs.

 

 

I think Dorian is interesting...and I plan to create a male to romance him. I will create a cute female dwarf to romance Sera. I'll roll a human male noble for Iron Bull.  I'll be rolling a human female for Cullen. I will roll an elf female for Solas.

 

For $70....I will be playing this game beyond the point of no return

 

   If people can't romance specific characters that is their issue and the writers should NOT be blamed for it.

[CuriousArtemis]

That's a really healthy and positive attitude you've got there. I wish more people could be so reasonable and try to make the best of something instead of refusing to accept things just because it's not what they wanted it to be - then "they" might come to the same conclusion as you did: that something you originally don't like can be the sole thing you wanted all along, and that all you need is a little bit of receptiveness.

Good on you!

 

Thank you, it took me awhile to get here but I finally realized what was important to me.

 

It just worked out for her... not everyone plays games for the same reason; not everyone approaches the romances in the same way and for the same reason. Some are looking for representation. Some are looking for an experience they can't get in real life. It means different things to different people. I'm happy for Danielle and Sera and Dorian are the only reasons I'm okay with the straight/bi/gay way of doing things. I do hope in the future we can move away from it though. Maybe in a few years it won't be such an awesome and novel thing to see a gay character in a video game.

 

However, like she pointed out, someone is making the decision as to who is gay and who is straight. Are the straight romances the "important" ones (hello, DAO). Are certain types always one orientation or another? (the lack of a gay "knight" figure... Alistair, Sebastian, Cullen, Blackwall, all straight). There are issues that need to be addressed with this system.

 

Also suggesting that people who are unhappy with the current system are "unreasonable" is just... I don't know. Not very nice? Again. Different people have different experiences and play these games for different reasons.

[aeoncs]

Also suggesting that people who are unhappy with the current system are "unreasonable" is just... I don't know. Not very nice? Again. Different people have different experiences and play these games for different reasons.

 

I don't really appreciate having words put into my mouth as I didn't call anyone unreasonable. Not being as reasonable as someone else, doesn't mean you're the exact opposite.

Other than that, life is all about having to compromise and adapt to things that are not ideal, things aren't always exactly like you want them to be - that is something most people learn as a child.

If you can't even bother to try that when it comes to romance options in a video game, then that's not a very reasonable attitude, yes. It's true that sometimes you just hate/dislike something or someone from the getgo without any particular reason, but making the effort to get used to that something/someone is entirely up to you as a person.

 

As a straight guy who only creates male PCs, I initially wasn't very fond of the two love interests the game provided me with, but there has never been a point where I thought "No, that just won't do. Absolutely not.".

And now, months later, I couldn't be more pleased. Cassandra turned from being "meh" into my most anticipated romance option in a video game ever, and I even warmed up to Josephine, considerably. Obviously not anyone will be so "lucky", but it shouldn't be too hard to at least try, right? That's all I'm saying.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't really appreciate having words put into my mouth as I didn't call anyone unreasonable. Not being as reasonable as someone else, doesn't mean you're the exact opposite.

Other than that, life is all about having to compromise and adapt to things that are not ideal, things aren't always exactly like you want them to be - that is something most people learn as a child.

If you can't even bother to try that when it comes to romance options in a video game, then that's not a very reasonable attitude, yes. It's true that sometimes you just hate/dislike something or someone from the getgo without any particular reason, but making the effort to get used to that something/someone is entirely up to you as a person.

 

As a straight guy who only creates male PCs, I initially wasn't very fond of the two love interests the game provided me with, but there was never a point where I thought "No, that just won't do. Absolutely not.".

And now, months later, I couldn't be more pleased. Cassandra turned from being "meh" into my most anticipated romance option in a video game ever, and I even warmed up to Josephine, considerably. Obviously not anyone will be so "lucky", but it shouldn't be too hard to at least try, right? That's all I'm saying.

 

"I wish more people could be so reasonable and try to make the best of something instead of refusing to accept things just because it's not what they wanted it to be"

 

^^^That's what you said. 

 

You're kind of being a jerk with this most recent post. I honestly don't even want to engage with you because you're taking such an unfriendly tone. You're suggesting that I am not willing to compromise, that I am childish, that I want things to be exactly the way I want them to be, that I don't even "bother to try," that I have an unreasonable attitude, that I hate something without any particular reason... who is going to want to respond to you in a positive and friendly manner?

 

I'm not even going to address the content of your post because it literally has nothing to do with me, my interests, and the argument I was making. You didn't address anything I said at all in my post.

[aeoncs]

You're putting words into my mouth, again. So I don't know who's being the jerk here, but it's definitely not me.

And yes, I pretty much addresses everything you tried to say, albeit not directly and more universally.

Let me break it down for you one last time, although I'm already tired of having to lead a discussion with someone who keeps accusing me of being "not nice" / "a jerk" based on flawed perceptions.

 

"I wish more people could be so reasonable" doesn't magically turn itself into "I wish everyone else wasn't so goddamn unreasonable". I didn't pick out a single person, nor did I address a particular group of people. What I really said is, that there are people who are not as reasonable and receptive as Danielle - nothing more, nothing less.

 

Have a good one.

 

EDIT: You do realize that when someone says "you", they don't automatically mean you as a person, right? It's used as a generalization of singular and plural subjects.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Ok... Children, where is all the Hate coming from? seriously all im hearing is "Wa wa wa i did not get what i want, so i am going to be butt hurt, and complain about it to try and make the developers feel bad for not catering to me" Suck it up, most of you are freaking adults and need to realize your specific tastes don't matter, because the world itself is not tailored to just you. these people in Thedas are just that, people, they have their own tastes, their own ideals, and their own attractions. maybe YOUR not what they wanted in a significant other, Ever think of that?

 

And for those of you who are not adults, take your balls out of your purse, and man up.

 

*Mic drop*

Yeah so im quoting myself here... little weird if you ask me.

 

Not to push buttons, or Tick all of you off, but seriously. "I DONT GET A ROMANCE WITH [Insert character name here] So i am gonna whine about it" Dont whine about it, sit back think about it for a little bit , just think. These characters in the World of Thedas may not see you as their Perfect Significant other at all. I think the Romance Options for Inquisition are Beautifully well Catered to the Vaste Demographic that is the world. Not just Heterosexuals, Not just Homosexuals, not just Bisexuals, everyone.

 

If your complaining about Bioware taking a Conservative, non exclusive take on the Romance options, you have some serious, deep rooted issues and just a LIIIIIIITTLE bit of Narcisim if you think a multi billion dollar Organization has to tailor their hard work to please just you and your sexual demographic. their trying to go places that no one has had the Stones to go to before and that is Multiple Sexual Romance options in a Roleplaying Game. This is about as Bad at times as the Absurd Arguments about Traynor in ME3, alot of folks was Butthurt.

 

Bioware is making a World not a Game, a WORLD these people have their tastes, and preferences when it comes to Romance because that is a VERY difficult thing to build for programming. how do you explain Love to a bunch of 0's and 1's? you dont, you just try your best to get the person your creating's tastes, and emotions over as best you can because that is all they can do: THE BEST THEY CAN especially for non humans because their concepts of Love and Emotion may be completely alien to ours. emotion is one of the hardest things to put accross in video games and Bioware has done the Impossible and make the only Video Games i play that Make me Cry, and i have a collection of about 240 video games JUST for my 360, and most of those are roleplaying games of some kind. And only Biowares makes me Choke up.

 

So if those of you that are  going to whine about what their doing, or How their going about it. you best be ready to Nutt Up, and defend your point without resorting to Narcisms, or Bigotry or just pure Hate and Anger.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

*mic drop*

[Ceoldoren]

Yeah so im quoting myself here... little weird if you ask me.

 

Not to push buttons, or Tick all of you off, but seriously. "I DONT GET A ROMANCE WITH [Insert character name here] So i am gonna whine about it" Dont whine about it, sit back think about it for a little bit , just think. These characters in the World of Thedas may not see you as their Perfect Significant other at all. I think the Romance Options for Inquisition are Beautifully well Catered to the Vaste Demographic that is the world. Not just Heterosexuals, Not just Homosexuals, not just Bisexuals, everyone.

 

If your complaining about Bioware taking a Conservative, non exclusive take on the Romance options, you have some serious, deep rooted issues and just a LIIIIIIITTLE bit of Narcisim if you think a multi billion dollar Organization has to tailor their hard work to please just you and your sexual demographic. their trying to go places that no one has had the Stones to go to before and that is Multiple Sexual Romance options in a Roleplaying Game. This is about as Bad at times as the Absurd Arguments about Traynor in ME3, alot of folks was Butthurt.

 

Bioware is making a World not a Game, a WORLD these people have their tastes, and preferences when it comes to Romance because that is a VERY difficult thing to build for programming. how do you explain Love to a bunch of 0's and 1's? you dont, you just try your best to get the person your creating's tastes, and emotions over as best you can because that is all they can do: THE BEST THEY CAN especially for non humans because their concepts of Love and Emotion may be completely alien to ours. emotion is one of the hardest things to put accross in video games and Bioware has done the Impossible and make the only Video Games i play that Make me Cry, and i have a collection of about 240 video games JUST for my 360, and most of those are roleplaying games of some kind. And only Biowares makes me Choke up.

 

So if those of you that are  going to whine about what their doing, or How their going about it. you best be ready to Nutt Up, and defend your point without resorting to Narcisms, or Bigotry or just pure Hate and Anger.

What exactly, was the point of this ? You're not saying anything that hasn't already been said in this thread before.

 

I wish everyone would just let this thread die, it's toxic. 

[daveliam]

What exactly, was the point of this ? You're not saying anything that hasn't already been said in this thread before.

I wish everyone would just let this thread die, it's toxic.

*mic drop....

[BobZilla84]

Can the Dwarf LIs step forward oh wait we dont have any we have never had any.

*Mic Drop....

[boissiere]

In DA, no dwarf was ever romanceabled and that is sad, indeed.

[herkles]

my only wish is that we get romanceable dwarves in the future. 

[daveliam]

I support the dwarf romance request.  Varric and Sigrun were prime candidates, so we know that they have it in them to write really attractive and well-developed dwarves that have mass popular appeal. 

 

Crossing my fingers for DA 4 for a dwarf LI.  I'll take either gender, but would prefer a dude.

[A.Kazama]

*Sigh* How is this Nega-Thread still going... You get what you're given, accept it and move on.

gay is gay, straight is straight and bi-sexual is bi-sexual.

(At least change the title to something more positive, everytime i scroll past it I imagine a grumpily grump typed this up where all the comments are filled with malice.) 

[trying_touch]

Every time this thread comes up, the Dragon Age 4 loses an LI.

[KaiserShep]

Every time this thread comes up, the Dragon Age 4 loses an LI.

This is why we can't have nice things!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Every time this thread comes up, the Dragon Age 4 loses an LI.

So it will have -100 LIs at least by this point right? 

[ReelRipper]

Wow this thread is still breathing!!! 0_0