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[BobZilla84]

Seb also doesn't remain with Hawke in the epilogue. I'd say he "counts" but also has a high chance of getting the Jacob treatment in DAI...which is why I'm switching to Izzy.

God I hope not how Jacob was handled was terrible in ME3 granted most the ME2 Romances were handled poorly in my opinion but jacobs was just a insult to injury.

 

Sebastian isnt very popular but if I find out in DAI that he broke his vows and got some woman pregnant thats not my Hawke I will march on Bioware.  "Grabs Torch and Pitchfork" 

[KatDancer]

About the only disappointment, if you can call it that, that I felt was that Varric would not be available for romance.  I got over it in about fifteen minutes.  There are certainly folks in real life who have commitments or preferences that don't match with mine whom I am very close friends with -- and that's fine.

 

The truth is, we don't know much of anything yet about most of these characters from direct experience.  What we do know is what we've gleaned from a distance, from the snippets of videos we've seen, and without the context yet of the game experience.  I'm not planning to romance anyone in particular yet.  I don't know them.  I don't know who my Inquisitor is yet, either.  It seems pretty cold-blooded to me to start planning on how best to secure this one or that one's affection before even a first conversation and handshake, so to speak.  I'm not disparaging others' plans for gameplay but for myself, I intend to let the story unfold and take my cues from there.

 

I've seen elsewhere the holy hell some have raised about the romance options, and would simply point out that while it seems to me that the developers have tried to provide something for everyone, essentially, to adapt Abraham Lincoln's quotation, "You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

 

Keep an open mind until you're actually playing.

[Eri]

I've seen elsewhere the holy hell some have raised about the romance options, and would simply point out that while it seems to me that the developers have tried to provide something for everyone, essentially, to adapt Abraham Lincoln's quotation, "You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

There is a German saying very much like this. Translated it says 'Do what you want, people will still talk.'

 

That being said, I do indeed hope for equality in the next game just so nobody is left feeling crappy. Maybe a straight option for each gender, a gay option for each gender, and a female and male bi option.. I think that adds up? But anyway, you would still get people finding something to dislike about it, even equal as it was - it would be thoroughly inhuman if everyone was happy with it.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not shedding any tears for straight males because the world was and is their oyster, so, please.

 

But if you play a gay male or lesbian PC then it definitely looks and feels like you got shafted this time around. When we were told straight romances were returning (along with the introduction of gay and lesbian romances), most predicted a 2/2/2 split (S/Bi/G). Then we learned we'd have 8 romances. I think most predicted 2/4/2.

 

We end up with the incredibly lopsided 4/2/2. Is it lopsided towards gay or lesbian players, no. It's lopsided -- again -- towards straight PCs. Granted, it's lopsided towards straight female PCs, which is not as common (although I bring DA2 to your attention). 

 

I am still upset about it, even a week or so later. They should have left it at 2/2/2. Cullen and Solas should not have been "added," and even if they were, one or both should have been bi. And even that would have been unfair towards lesbian PCs.

 

Who here is thrilled to have four straight romances in this game? I'm sure straight Dragon Age fans around the world lifted their arms up in jubilation and cried, FINALLY! Representation we've always lacked! Um, no.

 

So BioWare have decided for whatever reason to abandon the "all bi" romance option. Fine, it's not what I personally prefer, but I understand their decision, so long as it is a decision that was made to provide greater representation for gay and lesbian players.

 

But bringing in straight and gay love interests and then making the majority of love interest straight is just not the right way to go. 

 

EDIT: I remember before the final love interest was revealed, people were saying things like, "Maybe Vivienne will be a lesbian romance!" or "Perhaps Blackwall will be gay!" And almost always someone would be quick to say, that would be amazing, but I doubt BioWare would do that for us. And usually the person saying that was gay, lesbian, or bi. 

 

To me, that is just sad. Because BioWare proved those poor souls right. No, BioWare will not do that for you. 

I more or less agree with everything here. With the caveat that I don't really mind leaving the "all bi" state that much because plenty of gay people have been more excited about getting actual representation. But with everything else, yes.

[Br3admax]

Representation in romance is not the only type of representation. 

[Xilizhra]

Representation in romance is not the only type of representation. 

Well, all the other forms of representation lesbians have had in this series have been total ****, so it's still a step up.

[Br3admax]

No, it's not. A step up would be writing better lesbian characters. Not writing more lesbian characters to sleep with you. 

[nightwolf667]

I'm on the fence. I never really bond with a love interest until I've spent about twenty hours badgering wandering about with them, poking and prodding them, exhausting all dialogue options, (and possibly party banter) before I inevitably decide whether or not I was satisfied. So, I have no idea and since my batting average hasn't been really great with the romance predictions so far... No for Varric (more of a vague hope), no for Viv, yes for Solas... I'm just hanging back, I don't even have any romances planned other than being curious almost all of them.

 

I have my doubts over whether or not Iron Bull will be for me. On the one hand, I love interspecies romance. I've wanted to romance a qunari since DA:O and his personality seems to be shaping up to be the sort of work husband/work wife, bromance/romance my Fem!Shep enjoyed with Garrus (though obviously only in spirit, very different these two) with a little more Izzy style boinking. The Kill Things Couple, on date night they go out and hunt mercs (though that could easily wind up being Blackwall). On the other hand, my version of qunari is more Sten and the Arishok. Iron Bull feels more like Tallis to me and since I didn't particularly care for Tallis, meh. Then again, Freddie Prinz Jr. makes up for a lot. Like a lot.

 

I'm going to need time for them to grow on me. I didn't like Isabella originally, and lost her on my first playthrough. Turns out, I honestly sort of, kinda love her. Didn't care for Fenris until I realized how funny he was. Really. He's my most romanced character of DA2.   I didn't like Zevran, but I kinda like him now. Same with Morrigan. Here's hoping we get no more Anders surprises.

 

Still, there are some characters I just can't warm up to as romances. Merril. Leliana. Sebastian (I know, Paul Atreides... I just can't do it). Thane. Jacob. Jack. Ashley. They're just not for me and if they were my only options, I know I'd feel pretty lousy. So, my sincerest condolences to those who were hoping for a different outcome and didn't end up with the LIs they wanted. It really, honestly sucks. Feeling like I'm not the preferred customer base in a space where I originally felt safe and comfortable is the worst. I can only imagine what it might be like those far more invested in this than I am.

[Xilizhra]

No, it's not. A step up would be writing better lesbian characters. Not writing more lesbian characters to sleep with you. 

So you're for all-bi LIs?

[Br3admax]

So you're for all-bi LIs?

This has nothing to do with what I just said, but when have I implied that I care?

[A.Kazama]

Where dem mods at! mods at! Ooooooh!

[Eri]

I'm on the fence. I never really bond with a love interest until I've spent about twenty hours badgering wandering about with them, poking and prodding them, exhausting all dialogue options, (and possibly party banter) before I inevitably decide whether or not I was satisfied.

Sounds like you should be lighting up a cigarette right about now..

[The Antagonist]

I'm not shedding any tears for straight males because the world was and is their oyster, so, please.

But if you play a gay male or lesbian PC then it definitely looks and feels like you got shafted this time around. When we were told straight romances were returning (along with the introduction of gay and lesbian romances), most predicted a 2/2/2 split (S/Bi/G). Then we learned we'd have 8 romances. I think most predicted 2/4/2.

We end up with the incredibly lopsided 4/2/2. Is it lopsided towards gay or lesbian players, no. It's lopsided -- again -- towards straight PCs. Granted, it's lopsided towards straight female PCs, which is not as common (although I bring DA2 to your attention).

I am still upset about it, even a week or so later. They should have left it at 2/2/2. Cullen and Solas should not have been "added," and even if they were, one or both should have been bi. And even that would have been unfair towards lesbian PCs.

Who here is thrilled to have four straight romances in this game? I'm sure straight Dragon Age fans around the world lifted their arms up in jubilation and cried, FINALLY! Representation we've always lacked! Um, no.

So BioWare have decided for whatever reason to abandon the "all bi" romance option. Fine, it's not what I personally prefer, but I understand their decision, so long as it is a decision that was made to provide greater representation for gay and lesbian players.

But bringing in straight and gay love interests and then making the majority of love interest straight is just not the right way to go.

EDIT: I remember before the final love interest was revealed, people were saying things like, "Maybe Vivienne will be a lesbian romance!" or "Perhaps Blackwall will be gay!" And almost always someone would be quick to say, that would be amazing, but I doubt BioWare would do that for us. And usually the person saying that was gay, lesbian, or bi.

To me, that is just sad. Because BioWare proved those poor souls right. No, BioWare will not do that for you.

it's almost like the majority of people are straight

[The Antagonist]

I'm not shedding any tears for straight males because the world was and is their oyster, so, please.

But if you play a gay male or lesbian PC then it definitely looks and feels like you got shafted this time around. When we were told straight romances were returning (along with the introduction of gay and lesbian romances), most predicted a 2/2/2 split (S/Bi/G). Then we learned we'd have 8 romances. I think most predicted 2/4/2.

We end up with the incredibly lopsided 4/2/2. Is it lopsided towards gay or lesbian players, no. It's lopsided -- again -- towards straight PCs. Granted, it's lopsided towards straight female PCs, which is not as common (although I bring DA2 to your attention).

I am still upset about it, even a week or so later. They should have left it at 2/2/2. Cullen and Solas should not have been "added," and even if they were, one or both should have been bi. And even that would have been unfair towards lesbian PCs.

Who here is thrilled to have four straight romances in this game? I'm sure straight Dragon Age fans around the world lifted their arms up in jubilation and cried, FINALLY! Representation we've always lacked! Um, no.

So BioWare have decided for whatever reason to abandon the "all bi" romance option. Fine, it's not what I personally prefer, but I understand their decision, so long as it is a decision that was made to provide greater representation for gay and lesbian players.

But bringing in straight and gay love interests and then making the majority of love interest straight is just not the right way to go.

EDIT: I remember before the final love interest was revealed, people were saying things like, "Maybe Vivienne will be a lesbian romance!" or "Perhaps Blackwall will be gay!" And almost always someone would be quick to say, that would be amazing, but I doubt BioWare would do that for us. And usually the person saying that was gay, lesbian, or bi.

To me, that is just sad. Because BioWare proved those poor souls right. No, BioWare will not do that for you.

it's almost like the majority of people are straight

[Panda]

it's almost like the majority of people are straight

 

I doubt that straight female (elf or human) is what majority is going to play though so that can't be reason behind distribution of romances. The cold truth is that the more bi-characters the more romances for everyone ^^

 

I bet it came down to costs (that's why race-gates as well) and story reasons (Cullen and Solas more fit to romanceable character than Vivi? Idk.).

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It wouldn't be as bad if they gave Cassandra some badass long hair. Not in an "updo", but down. Bioware seems to be allergic to long hair, though.

What did I mean by badass long hair? Well, something like... Exhibit A!

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 20 septembre 2014 - 07:12 .

[Eri]

Her original design did have long hair, but they liked the short hair better. She also originally was given short white hair, before they made it black.

 

TBH I think she would look quite weird with long hair, especially if it was loose and down - somehow doesn't fit with her look, though it depends how much Bioware have changed Cass in this most recent update, I guess.

[Chernaya]

I don't mind Cassandra's hair as it is. As a warrior who fights on the front lines, she probably feels long hair would only get in the way, especially loose. I also feel like perhaps with the characters faces becoming so much more detailed this time, the hair isn't catching up well as it's much harder to make look and move naturally and may look a bit silly in contrast when long, so I can support the idea of short hair and tied back longer hair. 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Josephine would work as well, I suppose. But the hair is important.

[Milan92]

Cassandra's short hair looks good on her. And its practical too.

[Panda]

Meh, Cassandra's haircut is simply purrfect. I want to get her haircut.

[Eri]

Nooo, Josephine is gorgeous as she is with her elegant bun - it suits her perfectly. I really hope Bioware doesn't change the bun (or anything on Josie, for that matter)!

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

While I agree that it should be about the character and personality more than race, I do think it's kind of lame that once again... there are no dwarf romances.  So, while there is nothing wrong with dating outside your race (I am completely talking about fantasy race here, not trying to open an IRL discussion on race... in fact, if not for the D&D precedent of "races" honestly species is a better term IMO for this discussion), some people do choose not to, so there is opportunity for Qunari to stick to their race, elves can stick to their race... humans can stick to their race... but dwarves cannot? This is the one thing about the romance options that has always and will continue to bother me.  In fact, both my dwarf noble and dwarf commoner end up not dating anyone cause I'm just like "Why would they be interested in a human or elf?"  Hell, my dwarf commoner I RP that she has a crush on Oghren why won't he go out with her???  As for Varric, my Hawke I would never have date him, but seriously why can't a dwarf? Make him a dwarf female only if you must, or have some NPC romances or something But, seriously.... WHY THE HATE FOR DWARVES?

[Incantrix]

I really wasn't aware the romance thing was this serious lol!

[Super Drone]

I doubt that straight female (elf or human) is what majority is going to play though so that can't be reason behind distribution of romances. The cold truth is that the more bi-characters the more romances for everyone ^^

 

I bet it came down to costs (that's why race-gates as well) and story reasons (Cullen and Solas more fit to romanceable character than Vivi? Idk.).

 

It may be the majority of those who pursue the romances though. If I were to guess who is the majority demographic to buy and play the game i'd say it's straight males. But it I were to guess which demographic is more likely to ignore things like romance dialogue it would be... straight males.