Surviving a poisoned drink doesn't really certify someone to avoid a lightning bolt to the face.
While the Joining doesn't ensure that Grey Warden is a greater fighter than everyone else. When they recruiting people into the wardens usually they pick the best fighter available, the one they think can endure the hard life of Grey Warden, and the one they think have a chance (strong enough) to survive the Joining.
one 20 plus most of ferelden's army... so yes, they have one job, deal with the darkspawn whose hat is large numbers bringers of the blight.
and it was alot more then 20.
random cowardly knight and random pickpocket, alistair ... oh and warden . if he had been picky it would have been the warden and maybe only maybe alistair.
You do realize that Ferelden's army only numbered in the hundreds while the darkspawn horde numbered in the thousands, right? Plus, Duncan said that there was only a handful of Wardens in Ferelden when you arrive at Ostagar. Not to mention that Loghain- whose army could be considered Ferelden's elite short of the Wardens (imo)- left Ostagar, thus removing a sizeable chunk of manpower and leaving Cailan, the Wardens, and the rest of the army even more out-numbered than they were before.
Also, on the topic of the Wardens at Vigil's Keep, the guard you talk to about securing the underground tunnels beneath the keep states that despite being taken by surprise, the Orlesian Wardens killed droves of darkspawn before being overwhelmed.
It's similar to the Axis vs. the Allies in WWII. While the Axis powers had the most advanced weaponry and some of the best trained forces in the world, the Allies had numbers. To quote one of the few surviving German WWII tankers, "For every one Sherman you destroyed, ten would takes its place." (paraphrasing here and I got this from watching a documentary about the greatest tank battles in WWII). For all the skill the Wardens possess, even they can be outnumbered.
Bit late to be making this kind of request, me thinks.
Haven't read The Last Flight yet but I agree. The Wardens shouldn't be reduced to a simple evil bump in the road the inquisitor has to iron out. Being a Warden was so epic in the first game, it should stay that way 
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While the Joining doesn't ensure that Grey Warden is a greater fighter than everyone else. When they recruiting people into the wardens usually they pick the best fighter available, the one they think can endure the hard life of Grey Warden, and the one they think have a chance (strong enough) to survive the Joining.
Jory...
The key to not worfing the Grey Wardens is to ensure they are a tough opponent, meaning the fight should be long and enduring, not a short and sweet knock out punch. Go the full 12 rounds with them, like every single Reaper that Shepard ever faces personally, BioWare did it right there.
If we siege a Grey Warden fortress it should require serious resources, and a large risk/reward system. I do not know how they could do this personally, but perhaps choosing the option to attack them will utilize 2/3 of your available troops, and if you do not invest heavily in military and proceed with the attack anyway you will lose potential rewards that would have been great assets.
I think it really is wise to include an opportunity cost mechanic, and it is obvious that is what BioWare intends by giving you 3 distinct advisers.
I think your standards are pretty unreasonable. There were probably 20 Grey Wardens at Ostagar, and thousands of Darkspawn. What, did you expect them to kill them all?
It also doesn't help when your side's reinforcements decide to stab you in the back and leave you to be overrun by a massive horde of monsters, on an open field no less.
Those Wardens who held Soldier's Peak at least had fortifications to fight behind. At Ostagar the defenders didn't have that luxury, especially not the Wardens who were there on the field, holding the line while Loghain and his cronies hid safely behind the walls.
I'm more worried that they get Cerberused instead of Worfed. Maybe both, who knows...
I just like to pretend all your companions along the way are good enough to be Wardens themselves and so can handle fighting other Grey Wardens.
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I wouldn't say the Wardens are the baddest mofos in Thedas. They're skilled, no doubt, but most of them fight Darkspawn. Fighting Darkpsawn wouldn't be the same as fighting huge Demons who can shoot fireballs out their arse.
In the first scene we saw a group of Grey Wardens greater then 3 they were cut down to a man. They came pre-worfed.
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I'm with you OP
Hopefully they can be allies I don't want to fight the Grey Wardens unless of course they are dicks like Janeka
and her friends
The grey wardens should have support troops who can be the mooks, while every grey warden should probably be at least a lieutenant.
While the Joining doesn't ensure that Grey Warden is a greater fighter than everyone else. When they recruiting people into the wardens usually they pick the best fighter available, the one they think can endure the hard life of Grey Warden, and the one they think have a chance (strong enough) to survive the Joining.
Shouldn't you be more worried that they get Cerberus'd?
Shouldn't you be more worried that they get Cerberus'd?
I'm fairly sure the Red Templars have that covered.
I just like to pretend all your companions along the way are good enough to be Wardens themselves and so can handle fighting other Grey Wardens.
I would agree, most of our companions have been top shelf, combat wise. The thing is, all of the Grey Wardens are at that level, or at least close to it. The entire organization. And while our companions can go toe to toe with them, our common foot soldiers can't.
I wouldn't say the Wardens are the baddest mofos in Thedas. They're skilled, no doubt, but most of them fight Darkspawn. Fighting Darkpsawn wouldn't be the same as fighting huge Demons who can shoot fireballs out their arse.
There's no one really trained in fighting fire-arsed demons, at least not yet. The Templars are decent in a fight, but they unnecessarily restrict their recruiting, don't see as much action as the Wardens, and the lyrium slows them down.
In the first scene we saw a group of Grey Wardens greater then 3 they were cut down to a man. They came pre-worfed.
That's what I'm worried about. The Inquisition attacking a Grey Warden fort isn't some triumphant showcase of the Inquisitions might. That should be an absolute meat grinder! Warden Archers raining arrows, warriors holding the walls, mages acting as artillery and support. By all reason, that should be a tough nut to crack.
Yeah, but they usually have to stick to people on the margins of society. In theory, conscription lets them recruit anyone. In reality, especially in Ferelden, they can't pick anyone too important or it will disturb their already shaky political position.
Commoners and cutpurses may have the hardened stomachs needed to survive the Joining, but that doesn't grant them formal combat training. The best of them (e.g. the Warden) might be extraordinary, but the wardens are so incredibly understaffed these days that they can't pick only the extraordinary ones.
They have too only pick the extraordinary ones. The others don't survive the Joining. The formal combat training is throwing down with the Darkspawn in the deep roads. A more harrowing curriculum than most, wouldn't you agree?
I got to say guys, I'm getting some really classist undertones from this thread. As if extraordinary warriors and deadly fighters are only found in the upper classes of society. People are dumping on Daveth for being a "random pickpocket", but if you read The Calling, you'd know Duncan basically was Daveth. And I don't see anyone questioning his badass cred...
Every Grey Warden is a bad-ass? Um... Anders? Let's not get too carried away with putting the Grey Wardens on Pillars. They may be a great organization as a whole but it is still filled with individuals of varying degrees. We also have never seen or heard much about the 'leaders' of the Grey Wardens in far off Weisssupt. The events in Awakening (Grey Wardens owning territory and titles) seems to violate the previous Grey Warden oaths and was seemingly approved by those Grey Warden leaders. I get the serious impression that there is deep corruption in the Grey Warden leadership.
Finally I assume he means Duncan wasn't taking properly trained fighters, niether the Casteless Dwarf or City Elf had proper combat instruction, but he recruits them because he sees potential, yet to be actualized completely.
They have too only pick the extraordinary ones. The others don't survive the Joining. The formal combat training is throwing down with the Darkspawn in the deep roads. A more harrowing curriculum than most, wouldn't you agree?
Has there been anything to suggest that the joining depends on your fighting prowess? I thought it was more of random chance.
random cowardly knight and random pickpocket, alistair ... oh and warden . if he had been picky it would have been the warden and maybe only maybe alistair.
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We do know what allows someone to survive the joining. Enough physical strength that your immune system can fight off the poison, and mental strength to prevent you from folding to the Archdemon. And I don't don't know what you mean about recruitment, as Duncan was very selective about who he let attempt the joining.
All my poisonous drinks end up with me on the way to mexico wearing a tubetop get up with nothing but a rubber ducky and an audio recording of joe biden impersonations.
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