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[TheChris92]

The fulton balloons make absolutely no sense any more than they did PW or Snake Eater, and they are quite frankly, silly, but Kojima's tendency to emphasize on hyper realistic narratives, where fiction and factual content meets is what makes it passable --along with the other absurd elements of Metal Gear.

It's a fun and neat gameplay mechanic to have though.

[General TSAR]

The fulton balloons make absolutely no sense any more than they did PW or Snake Eater, 

PW is one thing but Snake Eater? The Fulton portrayed there was not silly at all. 

[TheChris92]

PW is one thing but Snake Eater? The Fulton portrayed there was not silly at all.

Zero: We are sending down this balloon to carry you straight out of the Soviet Union, across the Iron curtain, despite and forgetting the fact that every single bone in your body is broken. You can set it up, right Snake?

The balloon is just as silly as that of the Soviets riding hovering platforms.

[General TSAR]

Zero: We are sending down this balloon to carry you straight out of the Soviet Union, across the Iron curtain, despite and forgetting the fact that every single bone in your body is broken. You can set it up, right Snake?

Apparently, the Soviet Border is only 40 miles from where Snake is. So he would drift outside of Soviet airspace and get picked up by the C-130.

 

IIRC Snake only had a broken arm and leg and he could still function, it's not like he's a cripple. 

 

The balloon is just as silly as that of the Soviets riding hovering platforms. 

 

Well apparently the CIA(which Fox is part of in the MGS universe) is silly because they were the ones who invented and successfully used the system during the Cold War and after.

 

In fact, the Cold War itself was silly, the Soviet hovering platforms were obviously fictional analogues there were based on the real world US Hiller VZ-1 Pawnee, but were rocket powered to differentiate them. 

[TheChris92]

Apparently, the Soviet Border is only 40 miles from where Snake is. So he would drift outside of Soviet airspace and get picked up by the C-130.

IIRC Snake only had a broken arm and leg and he could still function, it's not like he's a cripple.

The scene heavily implies he can barely move, let alone setting up a balloon that would be able to carry him to safety fast enough to escape the KGB and without being detected after Volgin just fired a nuclear device.

Well apparently the CIA(which Fox is part of in the MGS universe) is silly because they were the ones who invented and successfully used the system during the Cold War and after.

In fact, the Cold War itself was silly, the Soviet hovering platforms were obviously fictional analogues there were based on the real world US Hiller VZ-1 Pawnee, but were rocket powered to differentiate them.

You meant to say that Fox is part of the CIA - I'm not arguing that the fulton system doesn't exist, I already knew it did. I'm arguing it's implementation in the game and how it works is silly - Kojima plays a lot around with facts and fiction, to a degree where the player would have either given up or stop caring about the difference. All of it evident in the absurdness of the meta human characters, the workings of the Shagohod, nanomachines, Ocelot's ricochet shooting abilities etc.

In retrospect, Snake Eater is bundled with several examples where the historical and fictional intermingle. Zero mentioning Sokolov’s missile development at the OKB-754 Design Bureau and Yuri Gagarin’s first manned space flight in the Vostok Rocket in the same breath highlights the use of hyperreality by intertwining people, events, and technology all in one indistinguishable package. Snake Eater is littered with these comparisons, showcasing the consistency in which the thread of hyperreality is used throughout the game.
By the time the game introduces various military developments such as miniature nuclear shells can be launched from a portable device or vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) aircraft that individual soldiers can utilize to traverse over mountains, it is so late in the game experience one would have already given up on distinquishing the fantastical elements, ala the Cobra unit. It's not bas that he's doing this, since he does it so well that it would take hours of research simply to discern which details in the game are historically accurate. It stands atttest to Kojima’s mastery of the postmodern narrative and the use of hyperreality.

[General TSAR]

Fair enough.

 

But out of everything that is present in Snake Eater, I think the Fulton system is on the non-silly side of the sliding scale of silliness. 

[General TSAR]

[TheChris92]

It's important to note that Kojima has a tendency to tie almost any new character's arc to existing characters in a lot of ways -- Say for example Strangelove, who is heavily implied to be the mother of Otacon. Or the fact that Sigint and Para-Medic were apparently younger versions of Dr Clark & Donald Anderson, which I thought was a bit arbitrary and whack. I wouldn't be surprised if the theories discussed in the above video is revealed to be true though.

[General TSAR]

Holy hell, I never though about that before. I always figured Strangelove was gay for the Boss and no one else. 

 

Anyway, here's the chicken hat that we all know and hate:

Poor co-host. 

[TheChris92]

In the tapes in Peace Walker, in conversation with Snake, Strangelove declares her love for the Stanley Kubrick movie 2001: Space Odyssey, particularly the rogue AI in the film called HAL. She shares this affection for machines and AI with that of Otacon and Huey.

In the true ending for Peace Walker you'll even see Strangelove hitting on Huey.

[bEVEsthda]

The scene heavily implies he can barely move, let alone setting up a balloon that would be able to carry him to safety fast enough to escape the KGB and without being detected after Volgin just fired a nuclear device.

You meant to say that Fox is part of the CIA - I'm not arguing that the fulton system doesn't exist, I already knew it did. I'm arguing it's implementation in the game and how it works is silly - Kojima plays a lot around with facts and fiction, to a degree where the player would have either given up or stop caring about the difference. All of it evident in the absurdness of the meta human characters, the workings of the Shagohod, nanomachines, Ocelot's ricochet shooting abilities etc.

 

It adheres to old, archaic video game paradigms. The observed and represented is just a symbolic skin on top of an abstract game rule (pick up the power-ups and rewards).

 

As for the Fulton balloon, it only carries the wire. It's a small device that basically only requires you to fix whatever to the wire, in this case a harness. When the C-130 hits the wire, the wire pulls straight up for a start. That's not the balloon lifting. Which of course makes the game mechanics even more 'game' convention, since there's no way there's a C-130 coming in ready, immediately, every time.

[General TSAR]

Some ingame info concerning recruits, gear, Afghanistan, and motherbase: 

 

Code names are still awesome

[AventuroLegendary]

Where's Codename Alligator?

 

He was with me through thick and thin.

[TheChris92]

EA might want to take a few steps back because Konami is nothing if not determined to sweep the crown away 'Being absolute cretins' as they remove all traces of Hideo Kojima from the Phantom Pain boxart now.

[Liamv2]

That's why i'm gonna buy the game Preowned. The microtransactions already ****** me off.

[General TSAR]

EA might want to take a few steps back because Konami is nothing if not determined to sweep the crown away 'Being absolute cretins' as they remove all traces of Hideo Kojima from the Phantom Pain boxart now.

Oh yeah:

http://imgur.com/a/iAOh2

 

No place for Hideo indeed. 

Where's Codename Alligator? 

 

He was with me through thick and thin.

I think he was the one who died in Snake's arm when Motherbase was destroyed. 

 

RIP you glorious bastard.

[AventuroLegendary]

I think he was the one who died in Snake's arm when Motherbase was destroyed. 

 

RIP you glorious bastard.

 

We had better get an Xcom-styled memorial in-game.

 

 

May you blow up choppers and capture tanks in peace.

[Liamv2]

http://imgur.com/a/iAOh2

 

The fact that the red and white text isn't aligned annoys me far more than is healthy.

[TheChris92]

The fact that the boxart isn't layered with Yoji Shinkawa artwork annoys me.

[AresKeith]

I think he was the one who died in Snake's arm when Motherbase was destroyed. 

 

RIP you glorious bastard.

 

He was part of my Metal Gear Suicide Squad

[The Hierophant]

Dizzy Koala, and Sadistic Kitten are pretty good monikers.

[TheChris92]

Now, this, is what I would want the boxart to look like 

 

[General TSAR]

Yong with an hour and a half analysis of the E3 2015 trailers.

[General TSAR]

Part 2:

 

 

[General TSAR]

Leaked map of Afghanistan:

"Afghanistan is a big place."