But within the confines of the story, Cerberus is not gonna advise that Shepard pick up a mass murdering Ardat-Yakshi.
I don't see why not. You already pick up an assassin, an old Krogan Warlord, and a failed mass murdering Cerberus experiment gone wrong. As long as Morinth can behave herself on the ship, I don't think TIM really cares.
I don't see why not. You already pick up an assassin, an old Krogan Warlord, and a failed mass murdering Cerberus experiment gone wrong. As long as Morinth can behave herself on the ship, I don't think TIM really cares.
Morinth can't be expected to behave yourself.
Case and point:
Jack doesn't belong on the ship either.
Letting the refinery workers burn to death in Vido's mission and rewriting the heretics come to mind. Her account of Nihlus makes it clear that saving an innocent bystander is prioritized before stopping the guilty, but all the same, the Code isn't exactly merciful towards the guilty either.Well, even a renegade Shepard doesn't do much, or really anything, that I can think of that would necessarily violate the code to a degree, without changing up other missions.
Maybe helping Vasir or something, but I can't think of much.
Why have Morinth when you can have Samara who's more trustworthy, predictable and as strong as Morinth?
Letting the refinery workers burn to death in Vido's mission and rewriting the heretics come to mind. Her account of Nihlus makes it clear that saving an innocent bystander is prioritized before stopping the guilty, but all the same, the Code isn't exactly merciful towards the guilty either.
Yeah, there's that. It's been a while.
Though with the two options, killing all the heretics or rewriting all of them, neither are really the paragon of idealism personified.
I'd say the Justicar Code is the antithesis of idealism. You don't speak some magic words and turn a mob boss into a social worker. Less "power of friendship" and more "bullet to the head solves all problems" on the relevant TV Tropes scale.Yeah, there's that. It's been a while.
Though with the two options, killing all the heretics or rewriting all of them, neither are really the paragon of idealism personified.
I'd say the Justicar Code is the antithesis of idealism. You don't speak some magic words and turn a mob boss into a social worker. Less "power of friendship" and more "bullet to the head solves all problems" on the relevant TV Tropes scale.
To me the Justicar Code (at least the way it's presented in the game) is Lawful Stupid.
Ah, my favourite psychopath from Mass Effect 2. There are a few things that would have made her story better.
First, I didn't want her to be disguised as her Mother. My only reason why I choosed her over Samara most of the time is that Morinth was more exciting, so I wanted more of that character.
Second, as mentioned, a good reason for picking her would be nice. As much as I wanted her around, I must admit that Shepard looks stupid when siding with Morinth. Having her valuable Info that would be lost otherwise or sth. like that would work I think. (My head canon is that she has the Information on the Shadow Broker instead of Cerberus. She always accompanied me on the mission to take him down).
And yes, the game really did not need more P/R Checks, but to be honest, I don't really care. In my last playthroughs of ME2 (long ago) I just added my character paragon / renegade points with the gibbed editor so I could play like I wanted to. If I replay the game I'll do it again.
In ME3, as mentioned, it would be most logical to see her in the monastary. I'd have liked to see the following choise. A couple of Ardat Yakshi wants to escape in a Shuttle. (They haven't killed anyone so far). Shepard has the choise to shoot them down or let them escape. If Morinth is there, she tries to prevent you from killing them (if you choose that) and you have to take her down. If Samara is there, it would be the other way around. You'd need to kill her to safe the AY if you want that.
Another thing no one mentioned so far. Citadel DLC. She was a squadmate allright, so why shouldn't she be there. I have this funny thought how she would be invited to the party and then mate with Javik only to find out that he in fact can survive her magic.
Well, somewhere I've read that her voice actor wasn't available for the third game, which is a shame (and Morinth without that seductive voice wouldn't be Morinth anymore). It would have been better though not to mention her at all instead of killing her off. Her fate would be left to your head canon then.
One thing that always tickled me about the Morinth/Samara thing is the fact that Morinth was supposed to use sex appeal to lure targets into her hold, but Samara is the one who was designed to be drooled over and undoubtedly gets her way with players (to some degree, I'm sure) because of it.
Just another thing, along with brainwashed-Shepard choosing Samara by default, that was written in a way that countered good logic.
I would have saved Morinth if there was a cure for her genetic problem. I like Samara more, but I still would have saved Morinth on at least one play-through... if she was further expanded in Mass Effect 3. Seeing her spawn in the last 40 minutes of the game as a Banshee was just disappointing. That was the worst cameo ever.
One thing that always tickled me about the Morinth/Samara thing is the fact that Morinth was supposed to use sex appeal to lure targets into her hold, but Samara is the one who was designed to be drooled over and undoubtedly gets her way with players (to some degree, I'm sure) because of it.
Just another thing, along with brainwashed-Shepard choosing Samara by default, that was written in a way that countered good logic.
I think the Samara sex appeal stems from her being an Asari.
How would you have wanted Morinth to be handled in ME3? All we saw of her is an email to Shepard confirming she's still succubusing her way around the galaxy, blocked correspondence to her sisters suggesting she might try to break them out, and a re-named Banshee on Earth. I think some changes were in order, starting in her apartment in ME2... but first, a bit of mood music:
If you're locked out of the persuasions, with only the "can't... think..." option available, instead of defaulting to siding with Samara, Shepard remains immobilized on the couch during the ensuing confrontation. Morinth overpowers and kills her mother without your intervention, but not quickly - not with a broken neck. Morinth's eyes go black, and she melds with her own mother. Think Aria/Petrovsky, only a tad bit more f***ed up.
As soon as Samara goes limp, the biotic haze around Morinth fades. Her reaction is not unlike someone who just took a hit of a potent drug. She stretches her neck with a sultry sigh, slinking back over to the couch where Shepard is still immobilized and completely at her mercy. Insert something creepy here - maybe she smells the air near Shepard, eyes briefly black again. Maybe she traces a finger aglow with biotics along Shepard's jawline while she's talking. In essence, she says she supposes she should thank you for getting her mother off her back, that it's been fun and she'll catch up again one day (or something similarly ominous). She then leaves the apartment, at which point Shepard finally snaps out of the trance and falls to the floor in a coughing fit, as though he/she's been holding their breath the whole time. Failing the loyalty mission truly fails it - you lose a squadmate instead of simply failing to gain their loyalty, and Morinth's killing spree continues unabated.
They could have done a lot more with her in ME3, then, with her alive, regardless of if you recruited her. If Morinth survived, she should have showed up at the monastery to free her sisters, as her correspondence to them suggests she would. If you failed Samara's loyalty mission by failing to get her to take you to the apartment in the first place, then both Samara AND Morinth show up at the monastery looking for Rila and Falere - one seeking to secure them, the other to free them. Their meeting would be rather explosive, and you would in all likelihood have to make a choice deciding which of them survives it.
Either that or Morinth sets off the bomb. Regardless, what are your thoughts?
This is perfect.
I think the Samara sex appeal stems from her being an Asari.
I... what??
I... what??
I feel like if she was any other race she would have looked a little more... ascetic looking. Like Miranda and Jack had other parts of their character to sorta match their outfits while Samara doesn't outside of the fact that she's belongs to the sexy, blue alien race.
She was a strong blue woman who don't need no Shep.
Why have Morinth when you can have Samara who's more trustworthy, predictable and as strong as Morinth?
Different people like different personalities and consider different other people more trustworthy.
Different people like different personalities and consider different other people more trustworthy.
I feel like anyone who would trust Mordin over Samara is deranged or something. Samara has pledged a Justicar oath to you and also didn't just try to kill you.
Oh, Morinth. My favourite amoral sociopath of ME2 
Also the only one of the amoral sociopaths of the crew who didn't make up excuses for being what she was. She should have been in in the monastery in ME3. Her emails show that she cared deeply about her sisters and it would have been completely in character for her to attempt to break them out.
As to why I choose her over Samara every time...I know what she is. I know what motivates her. I can deal with it it. Samara is a loose cannon that will inevitably turn against me on account with me not being lawful stupid. Considering that my crew in ME2 is mostly mass murderers, one serial killer doesn't really affect anything.
And this is Morinths song:
Oh, Morinth. My favourite amoral sociopath of ME2
As to why I choose her over Samara every time...I know what she is. I know what motivates her. I can deal with it it. Samara is a loose cannon that will inevitably turn against me on account with me not being lawful stupid. Considering that my crew in ME2 is mostly mass murderers, one serial killer doesn't really affect anything.
And this is Morinths song:
So is the true meaning of this thread to find a theme song for Morinth? I go wit this one then.
https://www.youtube....h?v=YDw2vIsSt0M
I feel like anyone who would trust Morinth over Samara is deranged or something. Samara has pledged a Justicar oath to you and also didn't just try to kill you.
Depends on what kind of person you are and what you want, and who you relate better to. Also I would rather have a person on my ship that I don't want to shoot in their head, even if they are more trustworthy.
I'd say the Justicar Code is the antithesis of idealism. You don't speak some magic words and turn a mob boss into a social worker. Less "power of friendship" and more "bullet to the head solves all problems" on the relevant TV Tropes scale.
It's more of an "end-justifies-the-means" school of though. The end goal is idealistic, but it realizes that in order to achieve the goal one must be willing to do all sorts of uncouth things. It's not the antithesis of idealism, it's uses pragmatism to achieve idealism. Dropping the nukes on Japan prevented the largest and bloodiest military operation in the history of mankind, one that would make Stalingrad look like a fist fight.
And it's strict so that the Justicar's personal opinions don't get in the way.
Depends on what kind of person you are and what you want, and who you relate better to. Also I would rather have a person on my ship that I don't want to shoot in their head, even if they are more trustworthy.
Kinda makes me wonder how one relates to a serial killing alien black widow vampire that is already on her way to leaving a trail of bodies across the galaxy.
To me the Justicar Code (at least the way it's presented in the game) is Lawful Stupid.
I wouldn't quite call it lawful stupid though, its not presented in the same mannner
Based on her dialogue about the Code it seems like it was developed as a last resort to comabt the corruption and such found on planets like Illium. The relevant line is "The Code was created to bring justice to a world that laughs at the notion"
It seems less lawful stupid and more just simply Lawful. There is the Code and shall be obeyed
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