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[ImaginaryMatter]

I wouldn't quite call it lawful stupid though, its not presented in the same mannner

 

Based on her dialogue about the Code it seems like it was developed as a last resort to comabt the corruption and such found on planets like Illium.  The relevant line is "The Code was created to bring justice to a world that laughs at the notion"

 

It seems less lawful stupid and more just simply Lawful.  There is the Code and shall be obeyed

 

The lawful stupid comes from things like the detention clause and monastery destruction protocol. I'm sure this wasn't the intention though but it some of the missions with Samara that's the way it comes off. I don't have a problem with the Code in theory but the writers do get very lazy and use it as a way to handwave the plot through nonsense, which leaves all these nasty implications.

[KainD]

Kinda makes me wonder how one relates to a serial killing alien black widow vampire that is already on her way to leaving a trail of bodies across the galaxy.

 

Well besides what she is and what she is doing with her life, she also has a character. 

[Geth Supremacy]

You want to rope me even more tightly into a persuasion system I hate? No thanks.

I will say I was mad when I imported my infiltrator from ME2 to ME3 and they stole my Dominate.....and then wanted me to buy some DLC before they gave it back

[DeinonSlayer]

I will say I was mad when I imported my infiltrator from ME2 to ME3 and they stole my Dominate.....and then wanted me to buy some DLC before they gave it back

Honestly, Dominate kinda sucked in ME2. Whoever you hit it with fell over, and by the time they got back up it would have typically worn off unless you felt like investing all of your points in it or manipulating your save file. Give me Kasumi's flashbang any day.

[Steelcan]

Honestly, Dominate kinda sucked in ME2. Whoever you hit it with fell over, and by the time they got back up it would have typically worn off unless you felt like investing all of your points in it or manipulating your save file. Give me Kasumi's flashbang any day.

for biotic characters Reave

 

for others I usually used energy drain

[KaiserShep]

Well besides what she is and what she is doing with her life, she also has a character. 

 

Sure, lots of people have a character. I'm sure Ted Bundy was a pretty personable guy, but would I give a nug's scrotum about any of that if I knew what he was doing?

[Allison_Lightning]

I think Morinth was made a bit too much like a caricature. It should have been done that you do meet one that does kill during the Samara recruitment quest, you watch her take down this one- and you learn later that they aren't all like that and that she's managed to keep her impulses under control. It should have been less black-and-white than it was and a lot more like the monastery mission. The choice as it stood was one I made for Morinth only usually as a 'to hell with good choice/bad choice'.

 

As it stood, the whole mess comes off badly on the asari when a cooperative effort could have helped and they ran that monastery like a prison, punishing them for a genetic affliction. I get the ardat-yakshi needed supervision but that daily routine was messed up and that no one had any compassion- even Liara was all like 'not even they deserve this'. I hate Liara normally for never getting called on her narcissism but this time I disliked her for being prejudiced.

 

People insult her for being a pureblood, and she then turns around and acts like they are lesser asari. It actually would have been great character growth in Liara's case to look at what her people were doing- realizing her race messed up and were responsible for their own fall.

 

Morinth was a completely useless character without head cannon to get back to topic- she served no point and it was such a spineless move to make them sterile to help with the childlike morality we were supposed to use with them, as a dead end member of their species. 

[KainD]

Sure, lots of people have a character. I'm sure Ted Bundy was a pretty personable guy, but would I give a nug's scrotum about any of that if I knew what he was doing?

 

You would, I wouldn't, as long as he wouldn't try anything funny with me.

[KaiserShep]

So basically, so long as you feel you are safe, the serial killer is A-OK?

Well, isn't that special.

[Farangbaa]

I think Morinth was made a bit too much like a caricature. It should have been done that you do meet one that does kill during the Samara recruitment quest, you watch her take down this one- and you learn later that they aren't all like that and that she's managed to keep her impulses under control. It should have been less black-and-white than it was and a lot more like the monastery mission. The choice as it stood was one I made for Morinth only usually as a 'to hell with good choice/bad choice'.

Except that she didn't keep her impulses under control, which was the entire reason Samara was out of Asari controlled space at all. Besides, the effects of being an Ardat-Yakshi are black and white: either you learn to keep your impulses under control immediatly, or you kill and become addicted to killing. There's no middle ground here, no grey area. Your argueing isn't about Morinth being a caraciture; it's about the AY disease.

And I'm not really sure what's the point in that.
 

As it stood, the whole mess comes off badly on the asari when a cooperative effort could have helped and they ran that monastery like a prison, punishing them for a genetic affliction. I get the ardat-yakshi needed supervision but that daily routine was messed up and that no one had any compassion- even Liara was all like 'not even they deserve this'. I hate Liara normally for never getting called on her narcissism but this time I disliked her for being prejudiced.

I never got the impression it was ran like a prison. Falere even tells you she could've left at any time.

[KaiserShep]

According to Samara, an ardat-yakshi is not permitted to live outside the monastery. Had she fled in the past, Samara or some other Justicar would probably have killed her. It's sort of like the Circle of magi.

[Farangbaa]

Yes, but it wasn't ran like a prison. You don't just walk out of a prison (or well.. normal prisons ), yet Falere seems to have been able to just walk away, if she wanted to. There would've been consequences, sure, but it's not like they were caged in a small room waiting for their 1 hour or yard time everyday.

[Allison_Lightning]

Except that she didn't keep her impulses under control, which was the entire reason Samara was out of Asari controlled space at all. Besides, the effects of being an Ardat-Yakshi are black and white: either you learn to keep your impulses under control immediatly, or you kill and become addicted to killing. There's no middle ground here, no grey area. Your argueing isn't about Morinth being a caraciture; it's about the AY disease.

And I'm not really sure what's the point in that.
 

I never got the impression it was ran like a prison. Falere even tells you she could've left at any time.

 

Morinth is when it comes to a real decision and her presence in the game, but that's a different debate. Falere only could have left after the monastery was attacked, there was nothing to suggest Ardat-Yakshi were permitted to even know anything that was going on in the outside world, let alone be able to escape whenever they wanted. Falere meant after the attack, she did not mean beforehand.

[DeinonSlayer]

Yes, but it wasn't ran like a prison. You don't just walk out of a prison (or well.. normal prisons ), yet Falere seems to have been able to just walk away, if she wanted to. There would've been consequences, sure, but it's not like they were caged in a small room waiting for their 1 hour or yard time everyday.

I think what Falere meant by that was that security wasn't exactly impregnable. She could have escaped, just like a prisoner whose cell was accidentally unlocked could have left, but she chose instead to stay.

See also Sten in his cage in Lothering, refusing to step out of it if you unlock the door without revealing you're a warden (actually a very funny exchange).

[KainD]

So basically, so long as you feel you are safe, the serial killer is A-OK?

Well, isn't that special.

 

Yeah, when I bond with people, how they treat others is not my concern, what matters is how the two of us get along. 

[themikefest]

Yeah, when I bond with people, how they treat others is not my concern, what matters is how the two of us get along. 

Really? Would you say that if he killed a family member of yours?

[KainD]

Really? Would you say that if he killed a family member of yours?

 

Depends. There's a lot of factors like:

1) How close I am with the killer.

2) How close I am with a particular family member.

3) Why it happened.

 

I mean just because someone is my family member doesn't mean that we automatically get along well. However I have family members that I deeply love and care about. So obviously if they were hurt/killed randomly, it would affect me personally and that would damage my friendship with the killer, how severely again depends on the circumstances, and what happened. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah, when I bond with people, how they treat others is not my concern, what matters is how the two of us get along. 

 

I'm not quite sure how you bond with someone who wants to scramble your brains by boning you, but to each his own.

[themikefest]

So you care more about a killer than your own family regardless of your relationship with that family member?

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, when I bond with people, how they treat others is not my concern, what matters is how the two of us get along.

I suppose there's not much point in explaining why I think this is completely f***ed up and is an attitude that people in general should steer very clear from.

"Here's my friend Jeff. Sure, he stuffs kids in fridges by the lake, but he's a fantastic golfer!"

[KainD]

I'm not quite sure how you bond with someone who wants to scramble your brains by boning you, but to each his own.

 

Enjoy some helix, play some chess, spend a nice night at the club talking about mutually interesting things, go to a concert, have fun. Obviously have to be a person that can resist the urge to bang to enjoy the company of said person however. 

[KainD]

So you care more about a killer than your own family regardless of your relationship with that family member?

 

No, I didn't say that, I said it depends. It might be just a person I know and don't care much about, in which case I would probably want to kill him/her if they hurt people that are close to me. But what if the killer is my best friend that has been on my side for a long time? Helped me in difficult times, understands me more than anyone else, a person that I feel I am closer to than to a particular family member. What if it's my freaking soulmate? The picture would be completely different. 

[themikefest]

Doesn't matter if the piece of crap helped you out or whatever with you, he/she is a killer and needs to be locked up or worse. 

[KainD]

Doesn't matter if the piece of crap helped you out or whatever with you, he/she is a killer and needs to be locked up or worse. 

 

If it's my friend, a real friend, I will stand by their side regardless of what they have done, regardless of how other people feel about it or what they think. The world is full of people that are more than happy to hurt me, or simply don't care about me, I'll hold on to the ones that actually care about me, as long as they let me. 

[KaiserShep]

No, I didn't say that, I said it depends. It might be just a person I know and don't care much about, in which case I would probably want to kill him/her if they hurt people that are close to me. But what if the killer is my best friend that has been on my side for a long time? Helped me in difficult times, understands me more than anyone else, a person that I feel I am closer to than to a particular family member. What if it's my freaking soulmate? The picture would be completely different.

If my best friend turned out to be a killer or rapist , his ass would be sent up the river posthaste. Ain't nobody got time for that.