With the Keep coming...eventually...I do want to create a World State where it could be considered the 'worst possible Thedas'. I'm quite sure it's been done before, but here's a fresh thread for it.
What would be the perfect 'worst possible World State' you could think of (for Origins, Awakening AND DA2)?
Ummmmm....are you asking for a comprehensive list of all the events that would make up this "worst possible" world state?
You're talking about a lot of variances here...
I'd say City Elf Origin. Leave the Alienage to the slavers...
Murder the Dalish...
Recruit Leliana, leave Sten in Lothering to die. Kill Leliana during Sacred Ashes, leave Connor posessed, sacrifice Isolde for the Ritual...
Don't do the DR, have Alistair executed, Loghain kills the Archdemon...
Kill Wynne, her death will mean someone else dies, too...
Stab Morrigan at the Eluvian...
Do the least you can do to save the Vigil... Burn Amaranthine to the ground...
I'm jumping left and right here, true. But I said everything I could remember at this moment.
Pretty standart stuff. Kill all the good guys you can, let all the bad guys you can live. Don't help people, don't be diplomatic etc. Fix the mirror but kill Merrill, give the lyrium idol to Varric.
Ummmmm....are you asking for a comprehensive list of all the events that would make up this "worst possible" world state?
You're talking about a lot of variances here...
Well yes, but given that there are differing viewpoints of what would make it the worst, I'd like to hear ideas. Some might think, for instance, Bhelen and having the Anvil around would create a tyranny while others would think Harrowmont, given his extremely conservative views on the Casteless, would make it worse.
Good idea, I'll be creating one too. Could never manage such a horrible playthrough, but I could make it in the Keep. Personally, the worst possible Thedas would include all the companions being dead (all the ones that can, anyway).
Everyone in Redcliffe being dead, Isolde sacrificed for Conner, but the demon living on inside him (if you made the deal).
Bhelen and Branka controlling the Anvil
The Sacred Ashes cult still running around
The werewolves kill the Dalish clan and continue living in their bestial state
Circle is annulled
Unhardened Alistair is king (Eamon in control)
Alienage elves sacrificed
Amaranthine burned
Architect lives
There's not much I can think of in DA2 that changes:
Kelder (the guy who abuses elven kids) being alive
The Arishok being alive (if you handed over Isabela)
Danarius being alive (if you handed over Fenris)
Siding with Meredith
Letting Anders live (unless of course Justice/Vengeance gets even worse in Anders' corpse...)
Letting Meredith kill Bethany (because the 'Champion' would be an arsehole)
Siding with Janeka (simply because Corypheus might find it easier to get a foothold in the Wardens with her than Larius)
Good idea, I'll be creating one too. Could never manage such a horrible playthrough, but I could make it in the Keep. Personally, the worst possible Thedas would include all the companions being dead (all the ones that can, anyway).
Everyone in Redcliffe being dead, Isolde sacrificed for Conner, but the demon living on inside him (if you made the deal).
Bhelen and Branka controlling the Anvil
The Sacred Ashes cult still running around
The werewolves kill the Dalish clan and continue living in their bestial state
Circle is annulled
Unhardened Alistair is king (Eamon in control)
Alienage elves sacrificed
Amaranthine burned
Architect lives
There's not much I can think of in DA2 that changes:
Kelder (the guy who abuses elven kids) being alive
The Arishok being alive (if you handed over Isabela)
Danarius being alive (if you handed over Fenris)
Siding with Meredith
Letting Anders live (unless of course Justice/Vengeance gets even worse in Anders' corpse...)
Letting Meredith kill Bethany (because the 'Champion' would be an arsehole)
Siding with Janeka (simply because Corypheus might find it easier to get a foothold in the Wardens with her than Larius)
Pretty much this, one can forget about Leliana and Wynne, they were both granted plot armor/device from word of God.
Any one with Alistair and Harrowmont as king. Pretty much everything else is irrelevant.
Bhelen and Branka controlling the Anvil
For the most worst scenario you must
DAO
Do not kill lothering bandits
Let Crows with Ignatio lived after doing all their quests...or do not do their quests and let them lived
Support deamon Sophia, Kill Avernus and not let him do blood magic experiments.
Everyone in Redcliffe being dead, Isolde lives, Connor have demon living inside him
Blehen was not supported and Branka is dead...Harromound is a king and Anvil destroyed
Do not kill dragon and The Sacred Ashes cult still running around...or do not put blood in ashes and tell everybody about urn.
The werewolves kill the Dalish clan with Zathrian
Kill all Tevinters in alianage, make Alienage elves sacrificed and make Vaughan alive...do not protect them when darkspawns attack denerim
Templars supported, Circle is annulled
Execute Alister, Loghain is a grey warden, Anora as a queen-Eamon and Connor loose all
Warden do not do ritual and die
Amaranthine burned
Kill peasants who make revolt and do not protect roads, farms and city
Warden keep was not prepared(do not do anything with keep and soldiers) and was destroyed
Architect was killed
DA2
support and help-do not kill all Templars
support and help-do not kill all Qunari
do not help apostages and nobles who fight against Meredith
do not give Isabella send Tome of Koslun in Tevinter
do not give Fenris to Danarius
do not send Feynriel to Dalish and in Tevinter
do not kill dragons near Kirkwall in mine
Make Carver as Templar or Bethany(do not make her warden or cirlce mage) was die on deep roads.
Do not support Merril and after killing abomination Merethary kill the clan, and destroy the eluvian
Do not execute all Chivaliers in Prosper Manor, support Tallis
Putting aside Bhelen being a backstabbing, family killing, power hungry monster, Bhelen being king and the anvil being in one piece is actually the best case scenario for the dwarves. Sure, Orgrimmar becomes a monarchy and loses what little democracy it has (though given the inherent corruption of the Assembly, the debate on whether this is a big loss could fill a thread of its own), but trade with the surface flourishes, the lives of the castless improve as they are allowed citizenship in exchange for a few years of military service, Orgrimmar gets in influx of soldiers with the castless now being allowed to become soldiers and the influx of soldiers alongside Bhelen embracing military aid from Ferelden actually leads to the dwarves pushing back the darkspawn and reclaiming much of their lost home. Adding the golems leads this push even further, and when Branka says she wants to create more golems and not just for the throne, Bhelen bans its use.
Harrowmont, on the other hand, leads to him further restricting the rights of the lower castes (because traditionalism) while favoring the nobility. The relationships between Orgrimmar and the surface souring even furthering, driving Orgrimmar even deeper into isolationism including refusing military aid (which, mind, the dwarves desperately need) beyond equipment and herbs. The gap between the nobility and castless widens even further, leading to riots which -if you spared the anvil- leads to the entirety of dust down being reduced to... well, dust. Oh, and when Branka wants to create more golems, but Harrowmont refuses, he turns out to be to weak to prevent Branka heading out to the surface to raid and capture unwilling humans and elves for her project instead.
So, yeah. Bhelen might be a backstabbing, family killing, power hungry monster, but as it turns out he's a much, much better king than Harrowmont.
I actually vastly prefer Bhelen as king to Harrowmont, he is in my canon world state. But not with the Anvil. I think he would be more unscrupulous than Harrowmont with it, and might consider Branka's methods justified. As far as ideal world situations go, for me it would be
Bhelen & No Avil > Harrowmont & No Anvil > Harrowmont & Anvil > Bhelen & Anvil
I'd actually forgotten what the epilogue slides were for preserving the Anvil, since it's something I so rarely. Hmm, interesting. Might have to think about this.
For DA2
give Fenris to master
kill the dalish clan
kill the anders(I always do)
side with Meredith
have the mages killed that surrender
let the sibling die in the deep roads
let the hornhead take Isabela
don't have your cousin meet her daddy
don't have Aveline and donnic get together
kill Feyriel in the fade
Let Anders live.
Lots of subjective options here, to be honest. For example, some (as I do) would view a world with the OGB as a worse state, or that an unhardened Alistair being king is a good thing (especially without Anora).
And there's all those people who think Anders should live. 
For DA2
give Fenris to master
kill the dalish clan
kill the anders(I always do)
side with Meredith
have the mages killed that surrender
let the sibling die in the deep roads
let the hornhead take Isabela
don't have your cousin meet her daddy
don't have Aveline and donnic get together
kill Feyriel in the fade
Letting Feynriel get possessed is even worse and potentially devastating.
Let Petrice live.
Let Meredith kill Bethany.
Killing Anders is debatable, as well as helping Merrill fix her mirror.
Everything else is true.
Problem is your worst is always gonna be someone else's best. I killled Connor, let Branka live and keep making golems, sided with the Templars in both games, let Avernus keep experimenting, let Gascard leave, Tranquilized Feynriel, made a deal with the Architect, made a deal with Corypheus, etc; and while those may be "worst Thedas" choices to some players, they're BEST THEDAS choices for me, and I regret none of them.
I bet you let Dog die, too.
You monster. 
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Don't do the Dark Ritual. I'm convinced that kid is going to do great things. People who didn't go through with it made the conscious choice to miss out.
I bet you let Dog die, too.
You monster.
I have no reason to let anders live. I just kill him and move on with the quest
I do on every playthrough, really. That constant barking in the camp drives me nuts.
But Cyril barks because he loves you!
I actually vastly prefer Bhelen as king to Harrowmont, he is in my canon world state. But not with the Anvil. I think he would be more unscrupulous than Harrowmont with it, and might consider Branka's methods justified. As far as ideal world situations go, for me it would be
Bhelen & No Avil > Harrowmont & No Anvil > Harrowmont & Anvil > Bhelen & Anvil
I'd actually forgotten what the epilogue slides were for preserving the Anvil, since it's something I so rarely. Hmm, interesting. Might have to think about this.
That's not what happens in game though. Whereas Harrowmont forces castless to become golems, Bhelen just uses them to crush his enemies until Branka stops giving him more. Harrowmont then starts enslaving people from the surface. Bhelen bans the use of it all together.
there's already a thread like this,
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