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[Panda]

Why kill such a intresting character? Architect is intriguing, I want to see him in my games all I can. Hopefully he's in the DAI as well!

[Serza]

Because one does not simply let the potentially biggest threat to Thedas live.

 

I made that mistake in the past.

I admit, not having read The Calling back then prevented me from metagaming it...

But my Warden really hoped that once the Architect helped her kill The Mother, he'd be the next in the queue.

Even without Duncan's and Fiona's knowledge.

[Shahadem]

Just thinking, since Last Flight pretty much hinted that Corypheus is controlling the Wardens, I have a theory: since the Awakened Darkspawn don't hear the Calling, they could possibly be immune to Corypheus' Calling as well. That could potentially mean that the Awakened Darkspawn could become allies to save the Wardens. Thoughts?

 

The Archdemon was also able to control some of the gray wardens. That's simply one of the dangers of becoming a gray warden, once you take the taint into yourself you run the same risk every other darkspawn does, including the Architect and Cory himself.

[tobajas]

Well, a race thats only way of reproduction is to kidnap women and then let them canabalize on their own people and then transform them into birthing factories that only live to give birth to thousands of darkspawn. I dont really know if I want to make them more powerful by giving them free will and intelligence. I mean sure in the epilogue the darkroads have never been "quieter" but what happens afterwards? I mean what happens when all the darkspawn has free will and intelligence? I mean if they dont pillage and plunder they die out as a race.

 

Also what proof is there that they will have a free will forever? I mean the Architect seems immune to the calling but, I mean the Wardens drink darkspawn blood to turn immune to the blight but at the same time they are just slowly getting turned into semi-darkspawn and supossedly the calling can eventually turn over a Warden then what happens to the turned darkspawn. I mean how long has the Architect turned them, 5 years? 10 years? 50 years? I have no idea but what happens if the free will part eventually runs out like it does for the wardens? What then? Have we then just made the darkspawn intelligent but without free will?

 

I just dont know but the upside compared to the downsides are just to small I mean we will at most have a time which is peacefull while the Architect takes over the darkspawn community but after that, I am pretty sure he's gonna turn on everyone else and that time the darkspawn is most likely gonna be more powerfull then we have ever seen.

[Giant ambush beetle]

When in doubt...kill.

[Battlebloodmage]

To kill or not to kill, that is the question.

[JoltDealer]

I killed him.  The Darkspawn can destroy life simply by being around it.  Their tainted presence is enough to make food rot and cause living things to die.  Their blood kills those it touches and corrupts even the brilliant souls of Old Gods.  They require the deaths of others to make offspring.  "Peace" with the Darkspawn is impossible.

 

The Architect's continued failures and mistakes were merely the final nail in his oddly shaped coffin.

[Eudaemonium]

I let him live primarily because it would potentially cause more drama. Same reason I have Alistair impregnate Morrigan. Drama.

[DaryAlexV]

You are a Gray Warden. You must kill him.

[boissiere]

To kill or not to kill, that is the question.

no question : search and destroy!

[Noviere]

I killed him. He is completely untrustworthy and manipulates you from the very start.

[Xilizhra]

You are a Gray Warden. You must kill him.

That's for archdemons. Grey Wardens exist not to fight darkspawn, per se, but to end Blights. If the Architect has a possible method for stopping the next two, it's within the Wardens' mandate to work with him.

[Urazz]

That's for archdemons. Grey Wardens exist not to fight darkspawn, per se, but to end Blights. If the Architect has a possible method for stopping the next two, it's within the Wardens' mandate to work with him.

He doesn't though and was just experimenting in trying to stop the blights.  He was the one that caused the blight of DA:O in the first place due to his experimentation. 

[Blackjack]

Honestly? A few dead Grey Wardens as opposed to thousands of dead men and woman throughout Thedas in the future blights? Keeping the Architect alive keeps those thousands alive.

[TK514]

That's for archdemons. Grey Wardens exist not to fight darkspawn, per se, but to end Blights. If the Architect has a possible method for stopping the next two, it's within the Wardens' mandate to work with him.

 

 

Honestly? A few dead Grey Wardens as opposed to thousands of dead men and woman throughout Thedas in the future blights? Keeping the Architect alive keeps those thousands alive.

 

I doubt the Wardens consider 'turn everyone into Darkspawn' or 'make Darkspawn smarter and more effective individually or in groups' to be valid 'ending the Blight' scenarios.

 

We're not talking about particularly intelligent mabari here.  We talking about creatures who poison non-Blighted life by merely existing nearby, and who raid the surface kidnapping and slaughtering even without a Blight.

[The Ascendant]

I always let him live. Even if he turns into an antagonist, better the devil you do know than the devil you don't.

That and he's and interesting character. He may be responsible indirectly or otherwise for many deaths, but so was Loghain and I spared him.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

Honestly? A few dead Grey Wardens as opposed to thousands of dead men and woman throughout Thedas in the future blights? Keeping the Architect alive keeps those thousands alive.

Yeah i saw architect job from what i remember darkspawn he created were attacking surface even members of his pack were ready destroy everyone on the surface to get what they want good luck counting they will be nice and kind for humans or other races.

[AstraDrakkar]

 I always kill him.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's no possibility of a partnership. You hold absolutely none of the cards.

 

Incorrect. Aside from secret knowledge and accumulated lore, the Wardens have two relevant cards: the ability to adopt a policy of non-interference, and the ability to interfere with extreme prejudice. If the Architect thought he had nothing to gain from allying with the Wardens, he wouldn't have tried to.

 

It's a weak hand, but it's a hand none the less and just as importantly one with a person who's willing to sit down at the table and negotiate with it. This is, as far as any card metaphor is concerned, far better than having no cards and no one else at the table at all.

 

 

All that you have is a brilliant,intelligent and powerful darkspawn that clearly, unlike the other Awakened, has mastered a ritual for creating more of them and is capable of industrializing it, and a bunch of basically insane brutes whose critical thinking skills make Oghren look like a Nobel Laureate.

 

Awakened darkspawn exist and can't realistically be wiped out - but with the Architect alive there are a threat far worse than with him dead.

 

 

Are you comparing all the other Awakened to insane brutes, or just the unawakened? I honestly can't tell, though I would firmly disagree with the former.

 

Regardless, the long-term danger comes from the ritual (which enables the rise of intelligent darkspawn over the long-term who could have hostile intent), rather than the Architect (who doesn't have hostile intent now, and has expressed no interest in any short-term or long-term direct threat).
 

 

 

By decapitating their leadership now, it's possible to seriously and substantially stunt their development. There's no indication at all any of them have any idea how to create more of themselves, and there's absolutely no indication any of them have the intellectual wherewithal to copy the Architect's ritual.

 

 

No indication other than his propensity for research notes, his surviving assistants and sympathizers (Awakened and those infected peeps), and the possibility that the Mother and her faction knew it.

 

In the end, this is the difference between our points. You see no indication to think the secret of creating Awakened will survive past the Architect. I see no indication to think the secret of creating Awakened will die with him. If I did, I'd actually agree with you- but I believe that genie is out of the bottle and long gone.

 

For me, killing the Architect is only relevant to future generations of Awakened darkspawn by being a political influence on them- not on determining whether they will exist or not.

[Bigdoser]

Considering how darkspawn breed that's enough for me to kill him and considering the mother some darkspawn don't want to be freed and I want to avoid the situation happening in awakening ever occurring again. This is me not metagaming from what I know from the calling books. 

[Reptillius]

Ok.  I got to say. One reason I let him live is that I'm hoping eventually they will show us what an awakened darkspawn goes through at that 30 year mark since Wardens start going over the edge and actually becoming darkspawn.

 

Also if you play DA:II after letting him live. In the Finding Nathaniel quest you actually can find out that there has been infighting amongst the darkspawn and that it's becoming possible to make trips deeper into the deep roads than anybody has gone in more than 1000 years and the wardens are having better intel on the movements and strength of darkspawn groups than ever before.

 

 

Also some of the things your argueing are based on our societies idea of right and wrong. The Architect is still learning some of that but he has a very long way to go to learn these ideas considering he came from a society that could easily be described as hell.  He had a good start and what some would argue as a noble aim for his people. But he also awakened in a very brutal society where committing atrocities are normal and he actually seems to be learning that they shouldn't be.  Granted he's having some spectacular blowouts and failures along the way.    We blame him for the fifth blights but the reality is that it wouldn't have been just darkspawn that tried such a thing if they really thought it was possible.  Not to mention they probably would have tried to do much worse than simply free the Archdemon from being tainted.  They probably would have tried for control instead which as we all know tends to go far more seriously wrong.

[FemHawke FTW]

Let him live, for SCIENCE!

[Chronoreaper]

surprised no'one has mentioned this but isn't the Mother the only proper intelligent broodmother created? and from her new awakened life she no longer produced darkspawn but infact a mutation at that that came to be known as the Children something even feral darkspawn fear so seems less likely him living will result in future surface raids for females, another thing is most darkspawn do tend to be evil but then again so are most civil races look at some Templars and mages they're outright evil.

 

EDIT!: Another thing that makes me wonder is the wardens ritual requires recruits to harvest darkspawn blood which is then used with a drop of archdemon blood with a grey warden blood mage present, the awakening ritual is similar using the taint resistant blood of the wardens now why not go a step further and look at what if a beneficial between the awakened and wardens comes to recruits or those already wardens exchange of blood incase the awakened darkspawn blood proves to be more useful to the wardens then normal such as longer lifespans, more survival in the ritual? possibilities can be endless as Avernus would think.

[Icefalcon]

Killed him.

I've only ever finished Awakening once, didn't really like it that much, but I can't think I'd do it any differently if I did it again

Mind you if killing Corypheus was optional I'd still always do that too I am very anti-Darkspawn in my playthroughs

[The Librarian]

I have read the books (won't spoil them), but knowing what happened there, there was no chance that I ever could let The Architect live.