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[HusarX]

Obviously any glitched 66666 charachter. It's megaeffective...

[J. Peterman]

[Excella Gionne]

Obviously any glitched 66666 charachter. It's megaeffective...

I prefer the 9/9/9/9/9.

[Loufi]

All adepts besides the volus, Flamer and Inferno Grenades kits, Talon Mercenary, human sentinel, Paladin, Valkyrie, Shadow, Huntress, Novaguard, Slayer, Smashguard.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

So I'm assuming you're not a big fan of the soldier and infiltrator classes. Don't think there's much to them without a weapon.

You spec the build to your play style. Some classes more power focused than others, but you find a happy medium with your weapon as well. Besides particle rifle collector build, I don't see much point in your rant.

 

Liked and quoted because (I think) it's the first post you've made in recent memory that's a contribution to the topic and not about you. Excellent progress. Keep it  up.

[Kurt M.]

I barely use powers or power classes apart from defensive or boosters. Heck, even my TGI hasn't got any points in Overload.

 

You can say that's also my way of keeping him honest when using the Harrier  (although the extra damage boost from the stim packs doesn't hurt, either...).

[Deerber]

How about you play the goddamn ******* kit, all aspects included, instead of prioritizing just one thing (aka the weapon?) If I wanted to fire a gun and do absolutely nothing else I'd go play CoD or something. Powers are what set ME3 MP apart, so play it.

Shocking news for you: no amount of weight and guns will prevent you from using your powers completely, in this game. So even if you go around with a spitfire and a crusader, you'll still be able to use your powers. If you use only one heavy gun, you'll be able to use your powers more than enough to make it a completely different game than CoD, I assure you.

So if you wanted to play the game in all its aspects, you'd be wise to use a good weapon and rely on it, not just use your powers.

Besides, all this shitting discussion has started because the likes of you has taken to look down on people who like to use heavier weapon, and tell them how *they* should play the game, which is complete and utter bullshit. I'd rather you all stopped this.

[Kurt M.]

^This. Besides, please send me an SMS when you can turn invisible on CoD...(althought there are so many CoD franchises, I wouldn't be surprised you could even turn into a werewolf).

 

Truth is that it's very rare not to use ANY power at all, even when playing Soldiers or Infiltrators. They all use their own kind, even if they're only defensive or booster-oriented.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Human Sentinel, KroLord, Erhm... Shadow if I could still use the mods on the pistol (just not shooting it.)

 

EDIT: Oh, of course... Fury, can't believe I had to see someone else say it to remember...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

QFT

It's a shooter.

Play the goddamn ****** weapon.

 

Yunno, it's possible to play both.

[Kurt M.]

Yunno, it's possible to play both.

 

I know, but I personally suck at balancing classes. I just like levelling a class up to be the best at either ability, either power or weapon damage. I hate 50/50's D:

 

That's why the TGI is my main class of choice...because I just love a lot of ME3's assault rifles, and the Ghost is just the best class for assault rifles. And (as a secondary bonus), it's also a solid choice for pistols (Talon and Acolyte mostly), and the Hurricane, too.

 

I think the closest I've ever managed to balance weapons and powers in a class has been my Hurricane-wielding Novaguard...or my Venom-wielding Novaguard in SP.

[Fortack]

True Followers of the Teachings of the High Lord look down upon pathetic power-spamming worms. They laugh at their hysterical squeals and moaning about "Playing the Weapon" while stealing their kills.

[cato potato]

So lately I've been more aware of "Playing the weapon" rather than the kit. Been watching a bunch of plat solo's and just been aware of it in-game.
 
What kit would you take into a platinum (Or gold) that's powers oriented? Hell, I'll pose it this way instead; what kit would you take into a platinum if you couldn't shoot anything?

If I couldn't shoot anything I'd rather just play a different game.

[capn233]

If I wasn't going to fire a weapon at all, I would respec my Geth Trooper back into a build with Flamer.  I don't find it particularly cheesier than using Smash through a wall with Geth Scanner, using a Fury with Geth Scanner, or whatever other cheesy biotic setups there are.

 

Of course I wouldn't play without firing a shot since every class does in fact use weapons.

[TheShadyEngineer]

Yunno, it's possible to play both.

Quoted for truth. 

 

How about instead of play the weapon or play the kit we all collectively agree to use play however the f*ck you want ? That being said, if I had to pick a kit and couldn't fire my gun I'd go with either the Phoenix adept, Huntress, Warlord or melee Cabal.

 

I know, but I personally suck at balancing classes. I just like levelling a class up to be the best at either ability, either power or weapon damage. I hate 50/50's D:

Sucks for you, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

 

 

How about ...we all collectively agree to use play however the f*ck you want ? 

 

That would do away with half the threads on this subforum, and 90% of the whinging.

 

And for that reason, I'm in.

[EnemySpinach]

Shocking news for you: no amount of weight and guns will prevent you from using your powers completely, in this game. So even if you go around with a spitfire and a crusader, you'll still be able to use your powers. If you use only one heavy gun, you'll be able to use your powers more than enough to make it a completely different game than CoD, I assure you.

So if you wanted to play the game in all its aspects, you'd be wise to use a good weapon and rely on it, not just use your powers.

Besides, all this shitting discussion has started because the likes of you has taken to look down on people who like to use heavier weapon, and tell them how *they* should play the game, which is complete and utter bullshit. I'd rather you all stopped this.

DId I EVER say NOT to use the weapon? I said "Play the whole kit, not just the weapon." "The likes of me?" Really? You don't even KNOW me! Hell, half my kits used to use two heavy weapons and grenades, without ever really touching the powers with cooldowns! (Example: Krogan Sentinel without Incinerate) You'd rather "we all" stop this? I'd rather you pull your brain out of your ASSumptions, but that's not happening.

[Kurt M.]

Sucks for you, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

 

Woo, how smart of you. What tipped you about it being an individual thing? The "I personally suck" maybe?

[grailseeker91]

-pulls out the popcorn-

why did I wait so long to join this forum. The infighting is more fun than some of the games.

 

On topic: I would just play a different game if I could't follow Wrex's advice of "why shoot something once when you can shoot it 46 more times" even on a powers class. It's one thing to suggest a new approach to someone as they may not have thought about and end up having more fun, but to gripe about people playing the weapon/kit...ugh. I know I use to be pompous and look down on PUGs for the black widow adept, flamerless vorcha, but then I realized all I was doing was being an intolerable d-bag and losing potential friends while hurting my own enjoyment.  Power spam, only rock and roll with guns or do both to your heart's content. If I didn't enjoy the match, I'll find a new lobby.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

^This. Besides, please send me an SMS when you can turn invisible on CoD...(althought there are so many CoD franchises, I wouldn't be surprised you could even turn into a werewolf).

You know Killzone (ps3) allows you to do that,you can cloak and snipe
You also get the ability to be disguise yourself as your enemy and to run around stabbing everyone in the back..so much fun!
But on the downside,no asari!...

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

I know I use to be pompous and look down on PUGs for the black widow adept, flamerless vorcha, but then I realized all I was doing was being an intolerable d-bag and losing potential friends while hurting my own enjoyment. 

 

You have the mark of true wisdom.

[Elindarion]

DId I EVER say NOT to use the weapon? I said "Play the whole kit, not just the weapon." "The likes of me?" Really? You don't even KNOW me! Hell, half my kits used to use two heavy weapons and grenades, without ever really touching the powers with cooldowns! (Example: Krogan Sentinel without Incinerate) You'd rather "we all" stop this? I'd rather you pull your brain out of your ASSumptions, but that's not happening.

 

It wasn't what was said, but how it was said.  I think most reading here understand your point of view (though not necessarily agree with it, which is their prerogative).

I used to be very combative verbally, and was quite good at it--in the real world of government politics, where backstabbing could cost you your umbrella and rice bowl, and the red tape was WAY THE FRICK more frustrating than forum opinion spams, PUGs and EA.  While this skill can be very useful in some situations that require it, most don't.  And with younger groups, if you engage, expect to be engaged.

What are you after?  What's the best way to get it? [rhetoricals]

Sorry, my two patronizing sense, for what it's worth.

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Grailseeker91 !  *waves*  Volus Tightie-Colors Squad platinum waves for the ... epic lose. 

[Kurt M.]

You have the mark of true wisdom.

 

Pretty much this. Just leave everybody to enjoy the game as they want And if they're experimenting and they need carrying...hey, I don't mind carrying (except when the Geth cheat with outrageous numbers, right marks? ).

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I know, but I personally suck at balancing classes. I just like levelling a class up to be the best at either ability, either power or weapon damage. I hate 50/50's D:

 

That's why the TGI is my main class of choice...because I just love a lot of ME3's assault rifles, and the Ghost is just the best class for assault rifles. And (as a secondary bonus), it's also a solid choice for pistols (Talon and Acolyte mostly), and the Hurricane, too.

 

I think the closest I've ever managed to balance weapons and powers in a class has been my Hurricane-wielding Novaguard...or my Venom-wielding Novaguard in SP.

 

I don't really see it as balancing 50/50 so much as finding combinations that work together in ways that I like, and can play effectively.

 

My 2 favourite kit/weapon combinations would probably make good examples, the Shadow with a Paladin, and the Drell Infiltrator with a Black Widow.

 

In the case of the Shadow, the passives are all power and melee damage bonuses, none for the gun. On the Drell, everything is in weapon damage, and I spec out of Homing Grenades. Recon Mine is spec'd for buffs and radius.

 

When I play the Drell, the Recon Mine gets tossed on the most common spawn site, and redeployed to buff new spawn sites and bosses. I rarely use it to damage or kill enemies, but load up on piercing mods and Drill 3, and use it to play a pure sniper. In this instance, the powers are serving the gun, but I am most definitely playing to both things at once, using the power judiciously to support the gun as the primary killing weapon.

 

With the Shadow, the Paladin (and the ULM Hurricane I carry as backup) has an important role as a long-range accurate weapon, because the Shadow with all power/melee bonuses is at a disadvantage when fighting at range. I use it largely as a hand-held sniper rifle, and have to play the weapon much as I would when using a Drell Assassin.

 

I'm playing the gun in both cases, but in the case of the Shadow, the powers are not enhancing the gun, they are still my primary method of dealing damage.

 

And in the end, it wouldn't matter one whit, if 800 people paraded a bunch of numbers and statistics in front of me, telling me that I play my kits all wrong, that I should have different weapons on them, and that I should play them differently, because it's "better" (and, in fact, they have - I rarely agree with the conventional wisdom on BSN.) If I tried to turn my Shadow into a Javelin sniper, I wouldn't ever be as good with that setup. If I put a claymore on my Drell Assassin, I would never be as effective or as helpful. If I abandoned the Acolyte, I would lose several of my favourite kit and weapon combos, and be unable to be as effective, and no amount of math or statistics would change that.

 

My long-winded ramble is basically to say this: good gaming advice presents options and information, and it almost never takes the form of "do it this way or you're wrong." Generally, recognizing a single way of doing something as the "only correct way" in a game that presents a massive variety of kits and weapons is almost inevitably going to be wrong (with the exception of power evolutions that are bugged, and do not actually work properly.)

[Melee or Die]

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