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[Valdrane78]

If humans discovered the mass relay after the harvest was over -- let's assume the reapers have gone back to dark space and left the Sol system alone -- then logically, we would have found the mars archive first and "jumpstarted our technology two hundred years" (Anderson says this at the beginning of ME1). Gotta believe that once we decided to go through the relay it would lead us to the citadel. Humanity would become the asari of the next cycle. And then maybe we'd have our own first contact war with the Yahg. Which, you know, maybe we wouldn't survive. 

 

I don't know, the Yhag are a good 300 to 400 years from discovering the mass relays.  By that time, humanity would be 600 years more advanced than the Yhag.  I doubt we would have any trouble with them.  You have to remember, humanity was only around for what 45 to 50 years before the Reapers showed up, and we were pretty damn advanced by then.  Imagine what we could do with the 300 years before the Yhag showed up, or the 50k years before the Reapers showed up again.  But my guess is this, Sovereign would wake up, see humanity as a threat after 1000 years and jump start a new harvest.

[SporkFu]

I don't know, the Yhag are a good 300 to 400 years from discovering the mass relays.  By that time, humanity would be 600 years more advanced than the Yhag.  I doubt we would have any trouble with them.  You have to remember, humanity was only around for what 45 to 50 years before the Reapers showed up, and we were pretty damn advanced by then.  Imagine what we could do with the 300 years before the Yhag showed up, or the 50k years before the Reapers showed up again.  But my guess is this, Sovereign would wake up, see humanity as a threat after 1000 years and jump start a new harvest.

Hard to say. I bet no one thought they'd have any trouble with the krogan either. 

[Larry-3]

The Reaper War begins 20-something years after humanity joined the galactic community. Before the use of the Relay, faster-than-light travel had not even been invented yet. My assumption is that the entire war would have happened and ended, and humanity would have never known because we could not even leave the Solar system.

 

The Reapers let a race advance to a certain point before... "assimilating" them. This is probably a precaution because they do not want to risk people becoming stronger than them. Imaging how advanced humanity would be in another 50,000 years. I picture Reapers beginning their next invasion and as soon as they come through the Sol Relay human ships would be stronger than them. They would all get destroyed and Harbinger would get blasted before he can finish one of his speeches. 

[Han Shot First]

The Reaper War begins 20-something years after humanity joined the galactic community. Before the use of the Relay, faster-than-light travel had not even been invented yet. My assumption is that the entire war would have happened and ended, and humanity would have never known because we could not even leave the Solar system.

 

The Reapers let a race advance to a certain point before... "assimilating" them. This is probably a precaution because they do not want to risk people becoming stronger than them. Imaging how advanced humanity would be in another 50,000 years. I picture Reapers beginning their next invasion and as soon as they come through the Sol Relay human ships would be stronger than them. They would all get destroyed and Harbinger would get blasted before he can finish one of his speeches. 

 

While I agree for the most part, there do seem to be some exceptions.

 

The Reapers invade Heshtok and are in the process of annihilating the Vorcha despite their species not being space-faring at all. There is also one world you can visit where there is evidence of a civilization that was still in it's bronze age being annihilated from orbit.

[Valdrane78]

While I agree for the most part, there do seem to be some exceptions.

 

The Reapers invade Heshtok and are in the process of annihilating the Vorcha despite their species not being space-faring at all. There is also one world you can visit where there is evidence of a civilization that was still in it's bronze age being annihilated from orbit.

True, but the Vorcha are apart of the galactic civilization and therefore a part of the Harvest.  As for the bronze age civilization, who is to say the Reapers did it.  It's not all that far out of the realm of possibility that not all past alien races where benevolent, some may have just been bastards and killed anyone they wanted to.  Hell, any of the current civilizations could bomb a bronze age civilization into nothing from orbit.

[NeroonWilliams]

The Reaper War begins 20-something years after humanity joined the galactic community. Before the use of the Relay, faster-than-light travel had not even been invented yet. My assumption is that the entire war would have happened and ended, and humanity would have never known because we could not even leave the Solar system.

 

The Reapers let a race advance to a certain point before... "assimilating" them. This is probably a precaution because they do not want to risk people becoming stronger than them. Imaging how advanced humanity would be in another 50,000 years. I picture Reapers beginning their next invasion and as soon as they come through the Sol Relay human ships would be stronger than them. They would all get destroyed and Harbinger would get blasted before he can finish one of his speeches. 

This is precisely why it is foolish for all of the characters to assume that the Yahg are "safe" from this Harvest.  The Reapers are methodically anal.  Look at how far Humans advanced in 50,000 years.  Even allowing for "humans are special", I think the Reapers wouldn't allow any actual civilization to continue to exist after a Harvest is over.  Maximum allowed advancement: invention of writing.  Clearly it isn't agriculture, since the Protheans had already instilled that on Thessia, but if I were in the Reapers' shoes, that would be MY cutoff technology.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Assuming the Yahg, are still around, Humanity plays second fiddle to them.

They're also spacefaring by ME3, to an extent. Comparable to 1980s United States, my guess. 

If Humanity gets spared in this situation, then so do the Yahg. 

And the Yahg are just biologically superior to humans. 

 

 

The yahg evolved to fill the niche of apex predator on Parnack. Yahg have four pairs of eyes, each pair designed to track and predict the movements of prey. A keen sensitivity to movement and light allows the yahg to easily read the body language of any species, making it almost impossible to lie to a yahg.

The yahg also possess a muscular, large body, standing over even the krogan, which provides considerable physical strength and agility. They have scaly, partially armored skin ranging from red to brown, a triangular mouth adorned with sharp teeth, two large horns and facial markings on their heads. Their hands each have three fingers which include a thumb, as well as three toes on each foot.

 

[Turkeysock]

I'll add my two cents, as this interests me.

 

Actually, humanity would've been ignored, just like the Yahg. Why is that? Lets not forget that the Sol Mass Relay, was in fact ENCASED IN ICE until humanity discovered the Prothean outpost and defrosted the relay. It would probably take years for even the Reapers at FTL speeds to reach the Sol system just to CHECK to see if they were capable of space flight! And considering that who knows how many other civilizations wiped themselves out in wars before they had the technology for FTL flight, I'd view it as a waste of time to even bother to check a mass relay that cannot be activated from the Citadel.

 

However, the Reapers leave behind one of their own to monitor and check the progress of all the space faring civilizations. Had it not been for the Protheans tinkering with the keepers, Humanity would've discovered the Citadel vacant. And when Humanity and any other space faring species reached a certain technological point, the lone Reaper unit would signal the Citadel to open up.

 

As for humanity playing second fiddle to the Yahg, I seriously doubt it. They would have had hundreds of years technologically on them. In a space fight, a beings body strength has little out come on the battle. While humanity would be hard pressed in a ground fight, I believe at the end of the day, humanity who had been spreading out, would outnumber and thus be able to defeat the Yahg. Now, the only question is, seeing as the Yahg respect strength, would they show Humanity any respect after being defeated by them? Or would they continue to fight on and off against Humanity and any allies they pick up until the return of the Reapers?

 

And as for Aphrase, the planet that appears to have been the home to a sapient avian species that was bombed to oblivion when they were only in the bronze age, I believe that it was the Reapers who did it. Why is that? Well, I believe that Tosal Nym was settled by a space faring race, and when the Reapers came, some of them managed to flee to Aphrase thinking they'd be somewhat safe because the Reapers bypassed the planet. The Reapers, however, caught on, and probably just destroyed whatever ships they found, and then chose to vaporize vast amounts of water to cause an extinction event to wipe out all life instead of wasting time hunting down any survivors.

 

Of course, it could've been something similar to the invasion of Thessia by the Oravores.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

As for humanity playing second fiddle to the Yahg, I seriously doubt it. They would have had hundreds of years technologically on them. In a space fight, a beings body strength has little out come on the battle. While humanity would be hard pressed in a ground fight, I believe at the end of the day, humanity who had been spreading out, would outnumber and thus be able to defeat the Yahg. Now, the only question is, seeing as the Yahg respect strength, would they show Humanity any respect after being defeated by them? Or would they continue to fight on and off against Humanity and any allies they pick up until the return of the Reapers?

No, they would not have hundreds of years of technology on them. If Humanity has not yet discovered the Mars ruins by this time, then they aren't significantly advanced enough to make up for the intellectual and physical disadvantage they are at against the Yahg. All Mass Effect technology is very limiting anyway, it plateaus out at a certain point. By all accounts, an average Yahg is able to takeover and become the galaxy's largest information broker without anyone finding out, at least until Space Jesus does. Humanity wouldn't have any technological advantage anyway; without discovering the Mass Relays, they will be caught up to by the Yahg in the hundred years it takes for the Reapers to ineffectively cleanse the Galaxy. 

Even if Humanity did have a century head start on technology, it seems that the Yahg would be intelligent enough to greet them cordially and build up a technologically  and numerically superior fleet, then conquer the galaxy. 
 

[Turkeysock]

No, they would not have hundreds of years of technology on them. If Humanity has not yet discovered the Mars ruins by this time, then they aren't significantly advanced enough to make up for the intellectual and physical disadvantage they are at against the Yahg. All Mass Effect technology is very limiting anyway, it plateaus out at a certain point. By all accounts, an average Yahg is able to takeover and become the galaxy's largest information broker without anyone finding out, at least until Space Jesus does. Humanity wouldn't have any technological advantage anyway; without discovering the Mass Relays, they will be caught up to by the Yahg in the hundred years it takes for the Reapers to ineffectively cleanse the Galaxy. 

Even if Humanity did have a century head start on technology, it seems that the Yahg would be intelligent enough to greet them cordially and build up a technologically  and numerically superior fleet, then conquer the galaxy.

 

Humanity will discover the Prothean outpost, but the OP asked what we thought if it happened AFTER the Reaper invasion.

 

We've only met one Yahg, and according to the old Shadow Broker's notes, he was curious and wanted to learn about everything outside his planet. So he cannot be used as an example as an "average Yahg" because all notes on it, is that they follow a pack mentality. That being said, barely anyone knew who the old Shadow Broker was and it sounded like those who at least knew what he/she looked like, was being killed off before he/she was replaced. Shepard could've become the new Shadow Broker if he wanted too...

 

And no, the Yahg aren't intelligent enough to greet technologically superior beings cordially... or did you forget they wiped out the Citadel's delegation to greet them to the intergalactic community?

 

Well, considering how fast the Reapers have taken over the galaxy in ME3, I doubt we'd have to wait centuries before they've completely wiped out all the current space faring races, more like a few decades. As well, we have to remember, humanity will have a cache of information to pull from, where as the Yahg will have to do it by trail and error for EVERYTHING! So it'll take them a LOT longer then it did for humanity to figure out the basics of FTL travel. And once again, being big and strong has very little affect on a fight between two ships.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Humanity will discover the Prothean outpost, but the OP asked what we thought if it happened AFTER the Reaper invasion.

 

We've only met one Yahg, and according to the old Shadow Broker's notes, he was curious and wanted to learn about everything outside his planet. So he cannot be used as an example as an "average Yahg" because all notes on it, is that they follow a pack mentality. That being said, barely anyone knew who the old Shadow Broker was and it sounded like those who at least knew what he/she looked like, was being killed off before he/she was replaced. Shepard could've become the new Shadow Broker if he wanted too...

 

And no, the Yahg aren't intelligent enough to greet technologically superior beings cordially... or did you forget they wiped out the Citadel's delegation to greet them to the intergalactic community?

 

Well, considering how fast the Reapers have taken over the galaxy in ME3, I doubt we'd have to wait centuries before they've completely wiped out all the current space faring races, more like a few decades. As well, we have to remember, humanity will have a cache of information to pull from, where as the Yahg will have to do it by trail and error for EVERYTHING! So it'll take them a LOT longer then it did for humanity to figure out the basics of FTL travel. And once again, being big and strong has very little affect on a fight between two ships.

And at that time, the Yahg are spacefaring. 

Being curious and following the group are not exclusionary. They're just not. 

And there's a difference between killing a small group of people for offending you, which is bad, and going to full-scale war against them. And who knows, maybe they landed in Space-Iraq and offended Space-ISIS. 

Liara states it would take a least a hundred years. The Yahg are considered as smart as Salarians. They are intellectually superior to humans. 

[SporkFu]

In the wiki it also says that, at the time of first contact, the yahg society was thought to be equivalent to 20th century earth... If I may make a technological comparison, this would suggest that sometime in the next century from that time, they are gonna send a manned spaceflight to their nearest moon. They are also gonna witness the rise and fall of rock 'n roll. 

[IntoTheDarkness]

Scenario.  Humanity didn't discover the mass relay until after the current harvest.  Do you think the Reapers would have left them alone until the next cycle, even though they were a space faring race, just not out of their own solar system yet?  And if they had, do you think humanity would have been advanced enough to take on the Reapers in conventional battle, or would have Sovereign started the harvest earlier than 50k years?

 

This is something I pointed out in 2012 as I felt it was really stupid.

 

1. there has been over 20,000 cycles. 1 capital reaper per cycle.

 

2. humanity space faring started: 1961. humanity found prothean records 2148. Next year, they discover the mass relay. in 30 years, their technology gets on par with other spacefaring species. They can make dreadnaughts that can take on a capital reaper ship 4 to 1 if concentrated power. in 200 years humanity became a race capable of kiling a reaper if outnumbering from non-space facring race.

 

3.There has been so many races in the past. Many of them would have 'barely' survived harvests to quickly start spacefaring after reapers returned. They have almost full 50,000 years to advance. They would have out-tehced reapers long ago. Add to that 20,000 cycles. It's a ****** miracle reapers survived this long.

 

Bioware, you really suck. ME should have been based on far-far future or the the cycle should have been a lot shorter. Do you writers even use brain once? At very least you needed to give an excuse that the reapers are milliions of years more advanced than us, but they are still killable due to technological boundary(reapers have reached 'pinnnacle' of tech so not much room for improvements.). That's why star wars expalisn tech stagnation.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

In the wiki it also says that, at the time of first contact, the yahg society was thought to be equivalent to 20th century earth... If I may make a technological comparison, this would suggest that sometime in the next century from that time, they are gonna send a manned spaceflight to their nearest moon. They are also gonna witness the rise and fall of rock 'n roll. 

They are said to have constructed their first spaceship in ME3. 

Yahg AC/DC is something I'd like to hear.

[KrrKs]

Lets not forget that the Sol Mass Relay, was in fact ENCASED IN ICE until humanity discovered the Prothean outpost and defrosted the relay.

Considering the charon relay was completely covered in Ice in (less) than the inter-cycle time, I doubt that was the first time this happened.

I'd say that the mere activation of the relay (which can be done from the outsicd/citadel) is enough to get rid of the ice-cloak.

 

Even if not...

It would probably take years for even the Reapers at FTL speeds to reach the Sol system just to CHECK to see if they were capable of space flight!

... The Sol relay is a secondary relay to Arcturus. It would take the Reapers at most a few days to fly here.

[Turkeysock]

And at that time, the Yahg are spacefaring. 

Being curious and following the group are not exclusionary. They're just not. 

And there's a difference between killing a small group of people for offending you, which is bad, and going to full-scale war against them. And who knows, maybe they landed in Space-Iraq and offended Space-ISIS. 

Liara states it would take a least a hundred years. The Yahg are considered as smart as Salarians. They are intellectually superior to humans. 

 

The Yahg are not space faring yet... they haven't even launched their first ship.

 

Considering the little information we have on the rest of the race states that they follow a pack mentality, being curious and wanting to leave it's planet on it's own WOULD be exclusionary.

 

No... it's not. Or have you not even bothered to study actual human history? Hundreds of wars/conflicts have started over small misunderstandings and offenses!

 

No, we don't know they are intellectually superior to humans. We've only seen ONE Yahg! We cannot determine whether they are super intelligent as an entire race. Trying to argue that they are intellectually superior to humans based on ONE example is like trying to argue that all apples are sour because the first apple you ate was sour! Chances are that the Shadow Broker would have been considered a genius/crazy among his people. FYI, Salarians aren't actually "smarter" then anyone, they are just capable of thinking FASTER due to how they evolved.

 

Considering the charon relay was completely covered in Ice in (less) than the inter-cycle time, I doubt that was the first time this happened.

I'd say that the mere activation of the relay (which can be done from the outsicd/citadel) is enough to get rid of the ice-cloak.

 

Even if not...

... The Sol relay is a secondary relay to Arcturus. It would take the Reapers at most a few days to fly here.

 

The Charon Relay was completely ENCASED in ice... being covered and being encased are two completely different things. I seriously doubt it happened by natural means... I'm more then willing to bet the Protheans did something, but that's just my theory. However, the ice encased Charon Relay most likely would not have been activated until the ice was removed.

 

I'd also like to ask how if the Charon Relay was merely covered in ice, how then could it have been mistaken as a moon even AFTER humanity was already out there constructing the Gagarin Station near Pluto... which was already underway in 2142. The discovery of the Prothean ruins and the subsequent discovery of the Charon Relay wasn't until after 2148.

 

As well, it's merely ASSUMED that they can travel 30 FTL's in a 24 hour period. We don't actually know if they can go that fast and the majority of information on the Reapers is extremely sketchy at best. Still, even if they did go check and saw humanity was semi space faring, they aren't at the technological cut off point, so they would most likely be spared.

[Fidite Nemini]

Wasn't there a planet description that pretty much said the reapers bombarded a bronze-age civilization during their last cycle? Haven't played since some time so my memory might not be perfect, but if that is the case, why would the Reapers spare a spacefaring civilization?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Yahg are not space faring yet... they haven't even launched their first ship.

 

Considering the little information we have on the rest of the race states that they follow a pack mentality, being curious and wanting to leave it's planet on it's own WOULD be exclusionary.

 

No... it's not. Or have you not even bothered to study actual human history? Hundreds of wars/conflicts have started over small misunderstandings and offenses!

 

No, we don't know they are intellectually superior to humans. We've only seen ONE Yahg! We cannot determine whether they are super intelligent as an entire race. Trying to argue that they are intellectually superior to humans based on ONE example is like trying to argue that all apples are sour because the first apple you ate was sour! Chances are that the Shadow Broker would have been considered a genius/crazy among his people. FYI, Salarians aren't actually "smarter" then anyone, they are just capable of thinking FASTER due to how they evolved.

 

Yes they are. In ME3, it is stated that they have nearly completed their first spaceship. In the 100 years that until the Reapers leave, they'll be just as advanced. 

No, it wouldn't. 

Yes, I have. And very little wars start over small misunderstandings. Name five. 

To quote the codex "The yahg possess unrivaled perceptiveness and mental adaptability." Unrivaled mental adaptability? Sounds like they're smarter than humans. 

Thinking faster is being smarter. 

[Turkeysock]

Yes they are. In ME3, it is stated that they have nearly completed their first spaceship. In the 100 years that until the Reapers leave, they'll be just as advanced. 

 

 

Yes they did. However, is it one that is actually capable of leaving their system? Or one that is similar to the NASA shuttles? In the real world, anything that is capable of going into space, is considered a 'spaceship'. Thus, while we have the capabilities to build a 'spaceship', we aren't a space faring race. So until we learn what kind of ship, whether it's a spaceship meant for long term flights, or something similar to the NASA shuttles, we cannot determine exactly how far along they are.

 

 

 

No, it wouldn't.

 

 

No matter how much you try to push, the fact is based on what we know of Yahg society, yes, it would.

 

 

Yes, I have. And very little wars start over small misunderstands. Name five.

1. The Greco-Persian Wars: It started because a Persian tyrant (governor) incited riots across former Greek colonies in Asia Minor in order to avoid taking responsibility for his military screw up.

 

2. The Trojan War: Started because it was believed by the Greeks that Helena was kidnapped by Paris of Troy.

 

3. The War of the Stray Dog: Started because Bulgarian soldiers shot a Greek soldier who was chasing after his runaway dog and allegedly crossed the border.

 

4. World War I: Started because of the military build up of both sides after the assassination of the Arch Duke and his wife.

 

5. The War of Jenkins' Ear: Started over an English smuggler who's ear was cut off by a Spanish coast guard officer for smuggling.

 

6. The Pastry War: Started when a French pastry chef who was trying to get compensated for the destruction of his cafe in Mexico City in 1828 by the Mexican government. When the Mexican authorities ignored him, he went to the French government, who in 1838 started a war after the Mexicans refused to pay 600,000 peso's to the chef.

 

7. American Civil War: Started over the fact that Lincoln was elected without a single electoral vote from the South, however the southerners falsely claimed that it was because Lincoln was going to outlaw slavery and interfere with states rights.

 

8. First Gulf War: Saddam was misinformed by an American Ambassador when he approached her about wanting to invade Kuwait. He was informed the US didn't really care what happened to Kuwait.

 

There are also a multitude of conflicts that started over misunderstandings and other ridiculous reasons.

 

 

To quote the codex "The yahg possess unrivaled perceptiveness and mental adaptability." Unrivaled mental adaptability? Sounds like they're smarter than humans. 

Thinking faster is being smarter.

 

 

This is based on what? There was a single encounter with the species as a whole that resulted in the deaths of the entire peaceful delegation and their planet being quartered off from the rest of the galaxy. The other real encounter that we know of is with the Shadow Broker... as humans are vastly different from one another, so too must the Yahgs. There is very little information on the Yahgs or their society. So basing that their entire race is exactly like the Shadow Broker is asinine! Again, it's like claiming all apples are sour just because the first apple you ate was sour!

 

And no, thinking faster does not mean someone is smarter. Because being smart, is based on much more then being a quick thinker, but how much you know, comprehension skills, intellect, etc. etc..

 

You might have "God" in your name, but you certainly aren't omnipotent.

[Reorte]

I'll add my two cents, as this interests me.
 
Actually, humanity would've been ignored, just like the Yahg. Why is that? Lets not forget that the Sol Mass Relay, was in fact ENCASED IN ICE until humanity discovered the Prothean outpost and defrosted the relay. It would probably take years for even the Reapers at FTL speeds to reach the Sol system just to CHECK to see if they were capable of space flight!

The solar system is only 36 light years from Arcturus, it wouldn't have taken the Reapers very long at all to get there and it would make sense for them to check out any relays that aren't responding properly (probably after they've finished the main thrust of their invasion). 50,000 years is a short time in galactic terms but a very long one when it comes to technological development. Unless there's some sort of technological barrier that it's very, very hard to overcome and that doesn't lie much beyond where the Council species are then wiping out any species with the definite potential for technology seems sensible. We're certainly at that level, we probably were when we first started using metal, and possibly even when the first languages that went beyond basic animal communication appeared.

[Turkeysock]

The solar system is only 36 light years from Arcturus, it wouldn't have taken the Reapers very long at all to get there and it would make sense for them to check out any relays that aren't responding properly (probably after they've finished the main thrust of their invasion). 50,000 years is a short time in galactic terms but a very long one when it comes to technological development. Unless there's some sort of technological barrier that it's very, very hard to overcome and that doesn't lie much beyond where the Council species are then wiping out any species with the definite potential for technology seems sensible. We're certainly at that level, we probably were when we first started using metal, and possibly even when the first languages that went beyond basic animal communication appeared.

 

That is assuming that the Reapers FTL drives are actually as fast as we think they are and if they are as far out into dark space as is theorized. Bioware didn't really give us any numbers... it's a story after all.

 

And 50,000 years is just an estimate. I'm sure some cycles lasted longer then that and others were much shorter. The Reapers invade when the leading species reaches a certain technological point to ensure they never get too powerful.

 

To be honest, I believe that point during this cycle was in fact during the Rachni War. We are certain that the Reapers, Sovereign, had indoctrinated the Rachni. I believe that the Rachni was Sovereigns first attempt to get to the Citadel. But I haven't counted out the idea that Sovereign saw the potential danger of the Rachni, a sentient race that doesn't use technology but biology, that could be detrimental to the future Reaper invasion, and thus set out to either use them so he can reclaim the Citadel so he can start the harvesting early, or wipe out a potential threat. Either way the Reapers would win.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Yes they did. However, is it one that is actually capable of leaving their system? Or one that is similar to the NASA shuttles? In the real world, anything that is capable of going into space, is considered a 'spaceship'. Thus, while we have the capabilities to build a 'spaceship', we aren't a space faring race. So until we learn what kind of ship, whether it's a spaceship meant for long term flights, or something similar to the NASA shuttles, we cannot determine exactly how far along they are.

 

No matter how much you try to push, the fact is based on what we know of Yahg society, yes, it would.

 

1. The Greco-Persian Wars: It started because a Persian tyrant (governor) incited riots across former Greek colonies in Asia Minor in order to avoid taking responsibility for his military screw up.

 

2. The Trojan War: Started because it was believed by the Greeks that Helena was kidnapped by Paris of Troy.

 

3. The War of the Stray Dog: Started because Bulgarian soldiers shot a Greek soldier who was chasing after his runaway dog and allegedly crossed the border.  

 

4. World War I: Started because of the military build up of both sides after the assassination of the Arch Duke and his wife.

 

5. The War of Jenkins' Ear: Started over an English smuggler who's ear was cut off by a Spanish coast guard officer for smuggling.

 

6. The Pastry War: Started when a French pastry chef who was trying to get compensated for the destruction of his cafe in Mexico City in 1828 by the Mexican government. When the Mexican authorities ignored him, he went to the French government, who in 1838 started a war after the Mexicans refused to pay 600,000 peso's to the chef.

 

7. American Civil War: Started over the fact that Lincoln was elected without a single electoral vote from the South, however the southerners falsely claimed that it was because Lincoln was going to outlaw slavery and interfere with states rights.

 

8. First Gulf War: Saddam was misinformed by an American Ambassador when he approached her about wanting to invade Kuwait. He was informed the US didn't really care what happened to Kuwait.

 

There are also a multitude of conflicts that started over misunderstandings and other ridiculous reasons.

 

 

 

This is based on what? There was a single encounter with the species as a whole that resulted in the deaths of the entire peaceful delegation and their planet being quartered off from the rest of the galaxy. The other real encounter that we know of is with the Shadow Broker... as humans are vastly different from one another, so too must the Yahgs. There is very little information on the Yahgs or their society. So basing that their entire race is exactly like the Shadow Broker is asinine! Again, it's like claiming all apples are sour just because the first apple you ate was sour!

 

And no, thinking faster does not mean someone is smarter. Because being smart, is based on much more then being a quick thinker, but how much you know, comprehension skills, intellect, etc. etc..

 

You might have "God" in your name, but you certainly aren't omnipotent.

Then by your definition, Humanity wasn't spacefaring until they found the Prothean ruins. Which is this scenario, must be delayed at least another 100 years. 

Are you suggesting that general societal trends must apply equally to every member of a billion+ population?

1. That is not a misunderstanding between two parties. 

2. The Iliad is not a historical document. It involves scenes such as Aphrodite carrying her son to safety. While its true Troy was destroyed by the Myceneans around 1250 BCE, it isn't known exactly why, but is probably part of the events that crippled most Mesopotamian civilization at that time. 

3. Which isn't a war, but a minor conflict that lasted ten days. Not a legitimate reason. 

4. No, just no. WWI was started because the extremely complicated strings of European alliances pulling the nations into war, largely because of economic and colonial tensions. Even the way you put it, it was not a misunderstanding. 

5. Not really a misunderstanding, but an overreaction coupled with the British desire to continue the slave trade in Spanish territory. 

6. Well, that was a pretty damn stupid war, but it's not a misunderstanding. 

7. It was also started over southern fear that slavery was going to be ended, socio-economic tensions between the North and the South, and a multitude of other reasons. While Lincoln being elected did set off the powder keg, it was less about Lincoln and his views and the fact that a Lincoln-led government would be very abolitionist, because despite Lincoln's stated desire of only containing slavery in the South, there were also many people who wanted to ban it outright. N

8. It was started by Iraq invading Kuwait. Blaming the US ambassador for that is just ****** stupid. 

This is based on the Codex. 

Thinking at Salarian speeds and being said to have "unrivaled mental adaptability" more or less covers all that. 

It's a reference to Niftu Cal. I changed my picture a little bit ago. 

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That is assuming that the Reapers FTL drives are actually as fast as we think they are and if they are as far out into dark space as is theorized. Bioware didn't really give us any numbers... it's a story after all.

If they don't have FTL drives that are much faster than everyone else's then their position in dark space is the equivalent of being out of town by about two inches. 36 ly is a reasonable distance to be flying around within some of the "clusters", work out everything within the game and the ME universe ships could make the Earth - Arcturus flight without difficulty, it's just quicker and easier to use the relay.

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Then by your definition, Humanity wasn't spacefaring until they found the Prothean ruins. Which is this scenario, must be delayed at least another 100 years. 
 

 

No, humanity wasn't truly a space faring race until after the discovery of the Prothean ruins. A true space faring race, in my opinion, means that it's a race that has the ability to travel outside their own system en mass.

 

Are you suggesting that general societal trends must apply equally to every member of a billion+ population?
 

 

I'm not the one suggesting that, you are the one suggesting that the Shadow Broker is an "average Yahg". I just stated that we don't have enough information on the Yahg, both physically and culturally and that chances are the Shadow Broker is most likely the exception, a genius among his people.

 

1. That is not a misunderstanding between two parties. 
 

 

Actually it was, because the Persians blamed Athens for the uprising... when in fact it was one of their own governors who incited the riots. How then, is that not a misunderstanding?

 

2. The Iliad is not a historical document. It involves scenes such as Aphrodite carrying her son to safety. While its true Troy was destroyed by the Myceneans around 1250 BCE, it isn't known exactly why, but is probably part of the events that crippled most Mesopotamian civilization at that time.

 

Except that we have historical evidence to back it up. Archeological excavations have proven that there was in fact, a King Menelaus, and that there was a war with Troy during his time. As well, Troy is not located in Mesopotamia... it's in Turkey. There are countless myths and stories about Menelaus, Helen and Troy. Homer combined the story into what is now known as the Iliad.

 

A good historian knows that myths and legends, are often based on real things, but things are often added onto them as time marches forward to make the story more exciting when it's retold.

 

3. Which isn't a war, but a minor conflict that lasted ten days. Not a legitimate reason.

 

Ummm... it was still a war. Even if it was short, it still meets wars started over misunderstandings/minor offenses.

 

4. No, just no. WWI was started because the extremely complicated strings of European alliances pulling the nations into war, largely because of economic and colonial tensions. Even the way you put it, it was not a misunderstanding. 

 

*Sigh* I so enjoy when someone doesn't bother to actually research, pretends to know what they are talking about. Please actually COMPREHEND what I said, I stated that there are a bunch of wars started over minor misunderstandings AND OFFENSES! The military build up would be considered a MINOR OFFENSE, this is due to the fact that every European nation created a system where they could quickly recruit, train, arm and field the biggest possible army they could get in the shortest amount of time. The system was devised to ensure that no one would start a massive military build up without being countered. The only problem was, there was no way to stop this system once it started!

 

What lead to the event of the military build up was the "extremely complicated strings of European alliances", what lead to the actual war was the fact that the massive military build up created such a tense and hostile atmosphere in Europe, that just about anything would have set the war off.

 

5. Not really a misunderstanding, but an overreaction coupled with the British desire to continue the slave trade in Spanish territory. 
 

 

It's a minor offense used as an excuse to start a war. Jenkins was lucky, most smugglers back then were arrested and hung, killed out right or pressed into indentured service into the royal navy.

 

 

7. It was also started over southern fear that slavery was going to be ended, socio-economic tensions between the North and the South, and a multitude of other reasons. While Lincoln being elected did set off the powder keg, it was less about Lincoln and his views and the fact that a Lincoln-led government would be very abolitionist, because despite Lincoln's stated desire of only containing slavery in the South, there were also many people who wanted to ban it outright. N

 

And that fear was used by secessionists to fuel the misunderstanding...

 

8. It was started by Iraq invading Kuwait. Blaming the US ambassador for that is just ****** stupid. 
 

 

So where then, did I blame a US ambassador, for the war? I stated a fact, Saddam sought and asked how the US feels about Kuwait. April Glaspie replies:

 

"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

 

Anyone who was looking to start a war would take this statement as "We don't care what you do". So please, don't project yourself, onto me.

 

 

I gave you the examples, you can try to nit pick as much as you want, won't change reality.

 

This is based on the Codex. 

 

Thinking at Salarian speeds and being said to have "unrivaled mental adaptability" more or less covers all that.

 

It's a reference to Niftu Cal. I changed my picture a little bit ago.

 

And the Codex is infallible now? Once again, it's based on the VERY LITTLE INFORMATION THAT IS KNOWN! Thus, it cannot be taken at face value until more information is discovered. The Codex is constantly upgraded every game, don't forget that in ME1 the codex stated the Reapers were nothing but a myth.

 

I'll state the fact that being able to think faster does not automatically mean one is smarter.
 

I'm well aware of that, I always encouraged him to go fight the Sisters. My statement though, was to the point of how you're acting like everything you say is factually accurate... when it is not.