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[Dutchess]

I was just wondering if you've played characters that went with the bad/evil option when given the choice in one of the origins story and how you've had that affect the character. Not every origin gives you the chance to do this, but the city elf and the dwarven noble can end up with a difficult decision. The mage maybe as well, depending on how wrong you consider it to inform Irving of Jowan's plans.

 

My dwarven noble killed Trian herself mainly because she was the character I wanted to try all the meanest and most evil options with. Naturally she didn't regret doing this at all.

But recently I've started a male city elf who accepted Vaughn's bribe. Not because of lulz, evil! or money money! this time, but because of fear, maybe even cowardice. He feared he would not be able to best Vaughn, and he feared the consequences for the Alienage Vaughn threatens with whether he manages to kill Vaughn or not (surely Vaughn's family will exact revenge in his stead). I'm planning to have this decision weigh him down for the rest of the game and eventually perform the Ultimate Sacrifice. I'm curious to see how the Alienage quest will play out because he accepted the bribe and left Shianni. 

[sylvanaerie]

If you don't mind spoilers the result is:

 

 

Your family hates you because you left Shianni, your bride and the wedding party to be 'party favors' for Vaughan and his buddy.  

 

Like HATES you.

[Dutchess]

I don't mind spoilers, no.   I've played the game more than enough times so this is one of the few or maybe the only exception where I don't yet know how exactly it will go. I was already aware of their (intense) dislike for you if you took the bribe, but I don't know their literal dialogue yet. Seems the perfect confirmation he will need the US to atone.

[Dabrikishaw]

Human Noble: Worst choices I can think of are insulting nan and trying to seduce Darien and Iona

Magi: Legally, Helping  Jowan can be considered the evil choice because he is a blood mage escaping the circle but morally you can go either way.

Dalish Elf: Killing those humans at the start of the origin.

City Elf: Taking Vaughn's bribe.

Dwarf Commoner: Killing Oskias for his Lyrium and giving it to Beraht

Dwarf Noble: Killing Trian 

[TheMadHarridan]

I think I remember reading in the Wiki (or somewhere) that if you take the bribe, when you encounter Vaughan in Howe's dungeon, you can convince/threaten him into joining the Chantry to atone. Vaughan as a Chantry brother... makes me laugh wickedly just thinking about it.

[Kenshen]

Human Noble:  and trying to seduce Darien and Iona

 

 

Why is this considered bad or evil or even a bad choice?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Why is this considered bad or evil or even a bad choice?

Possibly because of the completely unequal balance of power in that fling. Or maybe the poster doesn't believe in sex before marriage. Or maybe it's just for lack of anything better to go with.

[Dutchess]

Why is this considered bad or evil or even a bad choice?

 

I assume because it gets them killed.

[X Equestris]

I assume because it gets them killed.

I imagine they end up dead anyway.

[Kenshen]

I assume because it gets them killed.

 

They die no matter if they are in your room or in the guest room.

[Ferretinabun]

Just wanted to poke my nose in to say I think it's great when people embrace playing flawed characters. The playthrough I remember the most vividly is not my first, or my canon - it was my Dwarf Noble who was absurdly arrogant (and a little dumb) until he was duped into murdering Trian which then plunged him into a pit of self-loathing. He briefly developed an only partially-requited romance (read: obsession) with Leliana with her fancy talk of salvation, but he was also obsessively jealous over her devotion to Andraste. So destroyed her Ashes when he got the chance - and then Leliana too. More regret, more self-loathing... He was driven to the ultimate sacrifice - the only way he hoped to earn redemption. Quite an anti-hero.

 

What I'm saying is it's great when players don't focus on getting things 'right' and simply own making 'mistakes'. Makes your character much more rounded and well-defined, and it really makes the playthrough your own.

[Dutchess]

 

What I'm saying is it's great when players don't focus on getting things 'right' and simply own making 'mistakes'. Makes your character much more rounded and well-defined, and it really makes the playthrough your own.

 

That's very true. I'm usually quite lazy with roleplaying. "Oh, this one is going to be really nice and will romance Alistair. This one is snarky and ends up with Zevran."  That summarizes the average amount of effort I put in most of my old characters. But I had so much fun with my last elven mage because I came up with more ideas of what she was like and what motivated her. She loved being a mage and was very ambitious, so she was quite eager to join the Grey Wardens. She wasn't that fond of Alistair at first because he had been with the templars (she wasn't impressed with Cullen's crush either, because he admitted he would have cut her down anyway should the Harrowing have failed), but after he confessed he was a royal bastard she tried to earn his good graces and initiated a romance with him. And fell in love in the process. She had high hopes of the Dalish but they were rude and treated her as an outsider despite being an elf, so she killed the werewolves for them but also killed Zathrian for lying to her and using her. She had a scar on her cheek that spelled the word "witch" (yay, mods!) and she got that from some of the elves in the alienage where she lived before the templars came to bring her to the Circle. So she had no qualms squeezing the Tevinter magister out of his profits and the evidence to implicate Loghain in slave-trading while letting him leave with the elves. She realized mages were her people, not elves. And as king Alistair's mistress she tries to exert as much power as she can by subtly nudging him in the right direction. Shame she had to harden Alistair to be allowed to be his mistress, because unhardened would have been better suited for her purposes.

 

I love the story of your dwarven noble. Destroying the Ashes and having to kill Leliana because of it is a very dramatic twist. Poor haunted guy.

[sylvanaerie]

I dunno, I like my pixel people to 'be happy'.  I can't even be mean to them in Sims.

 

I did have a King Cousland who let Jowan power his ritual with Isolde's blood, let Alistair kill Loghain since Gawain wanted the throne for himself and had no intentions of letting Loghain influence Anora--or continuing to be a problem, and given the choice in Awakening, burned Amaranthine to the ground to keep the darkspawn from overrunning it.

 

I wouldn't really call what I do roleplaying, but it does seem as if I'm playing out a movie.  Some of those choices i didn't intend to keep and ended up keeping them because they fit his story better.

[Umbar]

I just finished my first playthrough of Origins and Awakening and I guess my female City Elf Warden is, in D&D terms, Chaotic Good. So, for my next playthrough, I intend on playing a male Cousland and have him be a right bastard.

 

Incidentally, has anyone deliberately chosen all the 'wrong' options for the treaty quests? Sided with the Templars, the Werewolves, the Havenites and Branka all in one go, I mean.

[Ferretinabun]

 

Incidentally, has anyone deliberately chosen all the 'wrong' options for the treaty quests? Sided with the Templars, the Werewolves, the Havenites and Branka all in one go, I mean.

 

Yup. Done that too - a playthrough where I deliberately picked all the worst choices, including killing off all possible companions.

 

It's not as much fun as it sounds. It's a bit like the Darkspawn Chronicles - it kinda sounds appealing just for the anarchy of it, but when you're actually doing it it feels a bit hollow and unfulfilling, like you're smashing your favourite toys just for the Hell of it.

 

Plus the ending still treats you with heroic reverence, which feels an awkward fit.

 

If you can find a way to internally justify the 'bad' choices, that's one thing. But just picking them for the sake of it is kinda blah.

[Dabrikishaw]

Why is this considered bad or evil or even a bad choice?

I worded that badly. I meant to say trying to seduce both of them. It only works if you stick with 1 because the other will refuse a threesome.

 

Or maybe it's just for lack of anything better to go with.

Also this. Really the Human Noble doesn't have a "real" evil option.

[TheMadHarridan]

Really the Human Noble doesn't have a "real" evil option.

 

It's true. The worst a HN can do is tramp around and snark at everyone (my recent HNF even propositioned Duncan. That was hilarious!). Kind of annoying considering the wicked options in some of the other origins.

[Doominike]

Lol you can do that ? 

[TheMadHarridan]

Proposition Duncan? Oh yeah. Right in front of Papa Bryce and Stupid Howe. Duncan's reaction is priceless.

[Dutchess]

LOL, I must have missed that! Last noble I played was a guy, so I guess he didn't have the option to try to get in Duncan's pants anyway.

[Doominike]

Gonna have to try that

[TheMadHarridan]

I found a Youtube video of it for your viewing pleasure, Dutchess and Doominike. Enjoy!

 

[Icy Magebane]

This isn't really all that bad, but does anybody know what happens if the HN chooses the "let me go to Ostagar or I will kill you," dialogue option during the the first conversation with their father?  That was too disrespectful for me to ever choose, and I've played as some pretty evil characters... :/

[TheMadHarridan]

This isn't really all that bad, but does anybody know what happens if the HN chooses the "let me go to Ostagar or I will kill you," dialogue option during the the first conversation with their father?  That was too disrespectful for me to ever choose, and I've played as some pretty evil characters... :/

 

If I remember correctly, Bryce calls you stubborn or something. I don't remember his reaction being too bad, just annoyed.

[Icy Magebane]

If I remember correctly, Bryce calls you stubborn or something. I don't remember his reaction being too bad, just annoyed.

That's kind of disappointing, but thanks for letting me know.