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[TheMadHarridan]

That's kind of disappointing, but thanks for letting me know.

 

A bit disappointing, yes, but I think the HN can do no wrong in Papa Bryce's eyes.

[theskymoves]

This isn't really all that bad, but does anybody know what happens if the HN chooses the "let me go to Ostagar or I will kill you," dialogue option during the the first conversation with their father?  That was too disrespectful for me to ever choose, and I've played as some pretty evil characters... :/

 

With a bit of the preceding dialogue, for some context...

 

Pup sez: What? Why can't I go into battle with you and Fergus?

Papa Bryce sez: I'm certain you'd more than prove yourself, but I am not willing to deal with your mother if you join the war. She'd kill me if I let you go. She's already twisted into knots about Fergus and me going.
Pup sez: If you don't send me, I'll kill you.
Papa Bryce laughs and sez this to a Boy!Pup: Now, don't make me choose between fighting you or the teyrna. Your mother is the one I'm frightened of.

or this to a Girl!Pup: Don't make me choose which of the women in my life to fight. Your mother has the stronger sword arm, after all.

[Icy Magebane]

With a bit of the preceding dialogue, for some context...

 

Pup sez: What? Why can't I go into battle with you and Fergus?

Papa Bryce sez: I'm certain you'd more than prove yourself, but I am not willing to deal with your mother if you join the war. She'd kill me if I let you go. She's already twisted into knots about Fergus and me going.
Pup sez: If you don't send me, I'll kill you.
Papa Bryce laughs and sez this to a Boy!Pup: Now, don't make me choose between fighting you or the teyrna. Your mother is the one I'm frightened of.

or this to a Girl!Pup: Don't make me choose which of the women in my life to fight. Your mother has the stronger sword arm, after all.

Ooooh, now I get it.  I didn't realize that emphasis should have been on "I'll."  Yes, that makes complete sense now, especially now that I'm reading the follow up dialogue.  xD

[Doominike]

Ya it's a joke threat

[Darkly Tranquil]

I've been trying to do a dirtbag playthrough lately to finish the last few achievements I have missing, but apparently I suck at being callous and selfish.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I've been trying to do a dirtbag playthrough lately to finish the last few achievements I have missing, but apparently I suck at being callous and selfish.

Don't feel bad if you can't bring yourself to abandon Redcliffe. I couldn't either.

[Doominike]

I don't get this thing about it being hard to pick evil options, how can you be unable to be a bad person in a playthrough you made just so you could be a bad person in it ? 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't get this thing about it being hard to pick evil options, how can you be unable to be a bad person in a playthrough you made just so you could be a bad person in it ? 

I usually agree with you, but abandoning Redcliffe was just too much. In my completely CE playthrough I preserved the Anvil, wiped out the Dalish, made a deal with the demon in Connor, and defiled the Ashes, but letting all of Redcliffe die, I just couldn't do.

[Doominike]

That's what I mean, I don't get how that works. Guess I'm just heartless lol

[Icy Magebane]

That's what I mean, I don't get how that works. Guess I'm just heartless lol

I've played as various evil Wardens and maleficarum, but I never abandoned Redcliffe either.  Even on characters who enjoy being cruel, I simply don't see any point in doing so.  You lose exp (training opportunities if we want to remain in character), loot, and the favor of the townspeople, many of whom will die and no long be able to provide you with goods and services.  There's just no reason to do this... you gain absolutely nothing but you lose a lot.

[Doominike]

I've played as various evil Wardens and maleficarum, but I never abandoned Redcliffe either.  Even on characters who enjoy being cruel, I simply don't see any point in doing so.  You lose exp (training opportunities if we want to remain in character), loot, and the favor of the townspeople, many of whom will die and no long be able to provide you with goods and services.  There's just no reason to do this... you gain absolutely nothing but you lose a lot.

No no, that I know, it's why I do it (and in character because it'll get me more forces or something) and why I find it dumb that Sten and Morrigan don't see the pragmatism in it. What I don't understand is people literally being unable to do it just because they feel bad about it or something. Which is why I said my not getting it is probably because I'm heartless

[Icy Magebane]

No no, that I know, it's why I do it (and in character because it'll get me more forces or something) and why I find it dumb that Sten and Morrigan don't see the pragmatism in it. What I don't understand is people literally being unable to do it just because they feel bad about it or something. Which is why I said my not getting it is probably because I'm heartless

Oh, okay, I agree with that.  I don't do it to be nice, I do it because it's smart to keep the townspeople alive. 

 

Morrigan always confused me with her lack of understanding during that quest... no idea about Sten since I found him annoying and very rarely used him.

[Doominike]

It's pretty puzzling since the main reason they're "bad" companions is because they're the pragmatic ones

[Icy Magebane]

It's pretty puzzling since the main reason they're "bad" companions is because they're the pragmatic ones

Maybe the writers just wanted to shoehorn in some disapproval during that questline and those two were the only ones who could even remotely have seen saving Redcliffe in a negative light?  That's the only reason I can come up with.  I think Sten also disapproved of the Warden promising to look for the blacksmith's daughter even though that was the only way to get him to do repairs and we didn't have any dialogue options beyond making the promise and refusing to help.  And since we were headed to the castle anyway, Sten's entire objection just made no sense at all to me...

[Doominike]

Well if you don't save her the blacksmith hangs himself and is replaced by another one who sells one of the best bows in the game. But Sten doesn't know that

[Icy Magebane]

Well if you don't save her the blacksmith hangs himself and is replaced by another one who sells one of the best bows in the game. But Sten doesn't know that

Wtf, really?  I might have to start doing it that way... o_O 

 

I thought it would have a negative impact on the town's survival though... and now that I think about it, I hate "failing" to complete simple tasks, so I probably won't actually do this.  Still, it's interesting that something like that is in the game... I'd never heard of this.

[Doominike]

Ya, the Far Song 

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Far_Song

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well if you don't save her the blacksmith hangs himself and is replaced by another one who sells one of the best bows in the game. But Sten doesn't know that

That I have done. (Not as my chaotic evil mage, though. I did it four playthroughs later as my jackass city elf archer.)

[Aimi]

It's pretty puzzling since the main reason they're "bad" companions is because they're the pragmatic ones

I don't think I'd describe either as particularly "pragmatic". Sten states that women cannot and should not fight; how is it "pragmatic" to ignore half your potential recruitment pool? He also thinks that gaining Redcliffe support is a pointless waste of time, as though it would be any easier to confront Loghain and the Blight without Eamon's aid. Morrigan's "pragmatism" leads her to suggest abandoning a major source of potential powerful allies - the Circle mages - purely out of pique and a misplaced sense of contempt.

[Doominike]

I don't think I'd describe either as particularly "pragmatic". Sten states that women cannot and should not fight; how is it "pragmatic" to ignore half your potential recruitment pool? He also thinks that gaining Redcliffe support is a pointless waste of time, as though it would be any easier to confront Loghain and the Blight without Eamon's aid. Morrigan's "pragmatism" leads her to suggest abandoning a major source of potential powerful allies - the Circle mages - purely out of pique and a misplaced sense of contempt.

What I mean is, they're not outright evil people, they're supposed to be cold logic types, but it doesn't show very well because they don't recognize when you're being that type yourself

[Dean_the_Young]

What I mean is, they're not outright evil people, they're supposed to be cold logic types, but it doesn't show very well because they don't recognize when you're being that type yourself

 

Neither Sten or Morrigan are cold logical types. Sten is a committed idealogue, as best as he can manage in his circumstance, and Morrigan's intelligence was always a self-advancing sort rather than any maximum-utility sort of dispassionate intellect.

 

Neither one of them is suppossed to be a cold and calculating sort. You're probably best off looking elsewhere for that.

[Doominike]

Neither Sten or Morrigan are cold logical types. Sten is a committed idealogue, as best as he can manage in his circumstance, and Morrigan's intelligence was always a self-advancing sort rather than any maximum-utility sort of dispassionate intellect.

 

Neither one of them is suppossed to be a cold and calculating sort. You're probably best off looking elsewhere for that.

But that's how they justify their "badness". Morrigan claims to be non-sentimental and sees emotions as weakness, which is why she's mean to emotional people. Sten is a qunari so for him the Qun is absolute truth, practical and perfect. But Morrigan can't see it when I do something good which also has a non-emotional benefit, and Sten can't see it when I do things for a practical ulterior motive. 

[Urdnot Amenark]

What I mean is, they're not outright evil people, they're supposed to be cold logic types, but it doesn't show very well because they don't recognize when you're being that type yourself

They never struck me as such, and I religiously play with Morrigan and Sten in my party on most playthroughs.

[Doominike]

See my later more detailed response just above yours