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[Nethalf]

Did we fight heretics or the orthodox geth back on Haestrom?

 

I mean that's in the geth space, right?

[ImaginaryMatter]

This is one of those times where the lore gets a little (not so little?) confusing. I think the intention was that the Geth you fought belonged to the Heretic group like the majority of the Geth Shepard encounters, and you could probably back this up by saying Legion doesn't try to communicate with them in anyway. On the other hand the location is in Geth space, not Heretic space; additionally, I believe you can recruit Tali after Legion's LM where the Heretic's were either destroyed or reprogrammed, so it wouldn't make sense if the Heretic's were still running around opposing you.

[SporkFu]

Just regular geth, I'd say. They were keeping everybody out of geth space for three hundred years. 

[Farangbaa]

Maybe Legion will answer this if you gibb your game.

[Sir DeLoria]

It doesn't matter, they're Geth, they die (or be deconstructed, I guess).

[capn233]

Maybe Legion will answer this if you gibb your game.

 

Can't trust Infiltrait0rN7

[fhs33721]

This seems to be more of a case of :

"Wee need some enemies for this recruitment mission. Quick give me an idea."

"What about some mercenaries?"

"No, not this time. We had that in almost every other mission."

"Uhm....., Geth. Use Geth"

"But... Legion. Aren't we...."

"I said use Geth!"

[SporkFu]

Out of curiosity, how many people recruit Legion before doing Tali's recruit mission? For myself, 99% of the time I recruit Tali long before the getting the reaper IFF. 

[capn233]

I never do.

[Vazgen]

Neither am I. In fact, I do Reaper IFF mission only after having all available planets depleted of resources and after finishing all possible missions Makes Legion to trust me quite quickly

[Undead Han]

I think they're probably supposed to Heretics.

 

That might not make sense if you go to Haestrom after Legion's loyalty mission, but it's not the only mission that has this problem. The mission where the Geth are attempting to crash a hijacked freighter into a human colony (definitely Heretics) can also be played after Legion's loyalty mission.

 

Even though you can play Legion's loyalty mission earlier than other missions involving the Geth, I think it sort of breaks the story if not saved for last.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Out of curiosity, how many people recruit Legion before doing Tali's recruit mission? For myself, 99% of the time I recruit Tali long before the getting the reaper IFF. 

 

A lot more now. I'm done importing to ME3 so I don't really care about what save states and decisions Shepard has. Because Legion is one of my favorite characters I take the Reaper IFF mission ASAP on all subsequent playthroughs and just bring him on different missions that he usually doesn't get to see.

[Fayfel]

If I recall correctly, during the part of the mission where you fight geth primes supported by combat drones, if Legion is present, it'll identify them as heretic drones. Chris has made small mistakes like that before ( Ilos instead of Virmire ) and heretics having that large of a presence in geth space is a bit of a stretch.

 

I'm inclined to believe that they're orthodox geth. So why would they attack your party whilst Legion is present? Because they had conflicting goals and were building a consensus. Geth may think many times faster than organics but that doesn't mean some decisions don't take a significant amount of time to make. Given the nature of the scenario, both sides felt compelled to act immediately. Hence the fire fight. If things had played out over a longer period of time it's possible they would have stood down or that Legion could have turned on you.

 

On the topic of heretics though, I suspect that there was something much more interesting going on with them. The only real difference between the heretic geth and geth is that one accepts the Reapers giving them a future and the other seeks to build their own future. So outside of this one point they would largely be the same. During various dialogues and comments Legion exhibits an appreciation, respect, and desire to understand it's creators. It would follow that the heretics are like minded. So where is this going? Sovereign offered the heretics a Reaper shell to upload themselves into. We know the Reaper's minds are constructed from harvesting organics and combining their consciousness into a singular entity. What if the heretics end goal wasn't advanced technology, but an understanding of the quarian creators? What better way could the heretics seek to understand the quarians than by making them a part of themselves? This also could explain why they were working on weather control technology in ME2. It would enable them to assist the quarians in settling down and multiplying. They'll need a lot more quarians if they want to make a Reaper after all.

 

And then ME3 happened The most subtle thing in it being Harbinger's beam to the face.

[JasonShepard]

With regards to the Heretic virus, IIRC, if you reprogrammed them then Heretics that weren't at the base would only get 'updated' the next time that they logged into the main Heretic Consensus. So, even if you do Haestrom after Legion's loyalty mission (or any of the other vs-Geth missions) you could still be fighting Heretics. Presumably they just haven't logged in yet.

 

Judging by various in-game lines, I'd guess Haestrom was Heretic Geth. It seems a bit strange that they'd have such a strong presence in a system so close to Rannoch but... *shrugs* The Heretics and the Geth didn't seem actively hostile to each other - it was more of a Cold War scenario.

[Stronglav]

I am more interested in Haestrom's sun.What's happening with it?

Why its aging so fast?

[BloodyMares]

I am more interested in Haestrom's sun.What's happening with it?

Why its aging so fast?

'Ah, yes, "Dark Energy". Part of the script written by Drew Karpyshyn. We have dismissed that claim.' - Mac Walters

[FlyingSquirrel]

A lot more now. I'm done importing to ME3 so I don't really care about what save states and decisions Shepard has. Because Legion is one of my favorite characters I take the Reaper IFF mission ASAP on all subsequent playthroughs and just bring him on different missions that he usually doesn't get to see.

 

I'd like to have Legion around for more missions, but the problem is that recruiting him starts the clock on the crew's abduction, so I'd either have to take a few non-loyal squadmates to the base or let at least some of the abducted crew die.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Given that the orthodox geth already made the decision to dispatch Legion to investigate Shepard's activities and potentially help fight the Collectors, it seems odd that they would react with such uncommunicative aggression on Haestrom. It's unclear how exactly the fight with Tali's team started, but it seems like they would attempt to negotiate a cease-fire once the Normandy shows up either way. If they're serious about seeing Shepard as a possible ally among organics - which, again, given Legion, they apparently are - it doesn't make much sense to try to kill him/her on sight.

[Stronglav]

Given that the orthodox geth already made the decision to dispatch Legion to investigate Shepard's activities and potentially help fight the Collectors, it seems odd that they would react with such uncommunicative aggression on Haestrom. It's unclear how exactly the fight with Tali's team started, but it seems like they would attempt to negotiate a cease-fire once the Normandy shows up either way. If they're serious about seeing Shepard as a possible ally among organics - which, again, given Legion, they apparently are - it doesn't make much sense to try to kill him/her on sight.

 

Let them all die.Who cares?They Cerberus anyway and have no role in ME3.

[SilJeff]

'Ah, yes, "Dark Energy". Part of the script written by Drew Karpyshyn. We have dismissed that claim.' - Mac Walters

thank goodness.

[spockjedi]

Out of curiosity, how many people recruit Legion before doing Tali's recruit mission? For myself, 99% of the time I recruit Tali long before the getting the reaper IFF.

I did once. The tricky part is that I had to launch the suicide mission with a disloyal Tali. That required some planning, but she survived, I completed her mission after and no problem happened in ME3, I still managed to achieve peace at the end of Rannoch.

[SporkFu]

I did once. The tricky part is that I had to launch the suicide mission with a disloyal Tali. That required some planning, but she survived, I completed her mission after and no problem happened in ME3, I still managed to achieve peace at the end of Rannoch.

Yeah if you plan it right you can have non-loyal crew survive the SM. The one time I took a non-loyal Tali on the mission, I had her escort the crew back to the Normandy; she died but I planned it that way.

[Kenshen]

I don't remember Legion having any extra dialog on Tali recruitment mission.  At the end of Legion's loyalty mission it will say that not all heretic will be rewritten/destroyed since there will be pockets of them not connected to the server or however it is explained so that is the out BW gave themselves for stuff like this.

[SwobyJ]

They're heretic geth. Legion's Loyalty mission doesn't immediately fry/rewrite them all - it just removes the threat earlier.

 

So whatever that sun thing was - it was more likely part of a Reaper plan/research. *shrug*

[JasonShepard]

They're heretic geth. Legion's Loyalty mission doesn't immediately fry/rewrite them all - it just removes the threat earlier.

 

So whatever that sun thing was - it was more likely part of a Reaper plan/research. *shrug*

 

I have a pet theory that Haestrom's star just swallowed a large eezo asteroid at some point in the past, and everyone was getting worried over nothing. Of course, that has the unfortunate side effect of Tali's team getting killed over something that really wasn't that important...