If Corypheus has managed to somehow corrupt the Wardens using their taint, then I really hope that The Architect (an expert on severing the tie between the taint and the song of the Old Gods) and Avernus (whose life work has been the study of the taint) can buddy up to cure a fair number of Wardens. The Architect has every reason to hate Corypheus for being a puppet of Dumat.
The Architect has every reason to support Corypheus for gaining power and spreading the taint. By supporting Corypheus, it allows the Architect to put his plans in motion with more resources. Dumat is dead anyway, and Cory probably doesn't want to have the Old Gods go crazy and die as Archdemons since he worships them, and Archie doesn't want to kill them, he just wants them to not make all the darkspawn mindless fodder.
Avernus may be helpful, but the Architect will either be a neutral party or an enemy, he has no personal reason to oppose Cory.
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The Architect has every reason to support Corypheus for gaining power and spreading the taint. By supporting Corypheus, it allows the Architect to put his plans in motion with more resources. Dumat is dead anyway, and Cory probably doesn't want to have the Old Gods go crazy and die as Archdemons since he worships them, and Archie doesn't want to kill them, he just wants them to not make all the darkspawn mindless fodder.
Avernus may be helpful, but the Architect will either be a neutral party or an enemy, he has no personal reason to oppose Cory.
Except for the part where he can become an ally.... Architect and Avernus are more or less working at the same problem from opposite ends of their respective spectrum. It would make sense that they'd want to find a solution by working their way towards the middle. It's been long speculated that they're collaborating not to mention Avernus' notes in DA2 and Nathaniel's cameo further stoking that theory.
The Architect has every reason to support Corypheus for gaining power and spreading the taint. By supporting Corypheus, it allows the Architect to put his plans in motion with more resources. Dumat is dead anyway, and Cory probably doesn't want to have the Old Gods go crazy and die as Archdemons since he worships them, and Archie doesn't want to kill them, he just wants them to not make all the darkspawn mindless fodder.
Avernus may be helpful, but the Architect will either be a neutral party or an enemy, he has no personal reason to oppose Cory.
I don't think the Architect would support the tide of demons, though, especially if they'd threaten to wholly destroy Thedas; the Architect wants peace (albeit with frequently ruthless means), not oblivion. The Architect will likely have an opportunity to be talked around to the Inquisition's side, I think.
Which might lead to Disciples joining the Inquisition to fight the Grey Wardens. That'd be something to see...
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Awesome spoilers are awesome.
Glad to have a little more confirmation of what we already suspected. Let all Wardens bow to their new overlord. I wonder whether he has any influence over Blackwall.....
Also, since this is a Spoilerful thread, feel free to not talk in non-spoilers if you so desire. The thread title is a pretty clear warning.
Awesome spoilers are awesome.
Glad to have a little more confirmation of what we already suspected. Let all Wardens bow to their new overlord. I wonder whether he has any influence over Blackwall.....
Also, since this is a Spoilerful thread, feel free to not talk in non-spoilers if you so desire. The thread title is a pretty clear warning.
I'm still sure Bioware doesn't want people to spoiler plot points of the game
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I'm a Warden hater, I think. No support from me. Ready to move on.
Or rather, I'm a hater of nostalgia for the Warden. There's nothing to be nostalgic about. Tired of hearing about DAO and DAO related stuff.
So question: Is Avernus actually a gray warden? I was under the impression he wasn't actually a warden, but just sided with them because King D-hole was an ass?
I haven't played Wardens Peak in a while though, so I might be misremembering some of the convos the HoF and Avernus have. Or, I just rejected reality completely... that happens often.
Yes, he was a Grey Warden who was a blood mage and he prolonged his life with the use of blood magic. I drink that potion every time!
I'm a Warden hater, I think. No support from me. Ready to move on.
Or rather, I'm a hater of nostalgia for the Warden. There's nothing to be nostalgic about. Tired of hearing about DAO and DAO related stuff.
That's what most of the discussion is about, actually. Most of the Wardens we've met so far are not, in fact, the Warden.
So once again Hawke screwed up majorly?
I do think cooperating with the Architect is necessarily an Anti-Warden move. He was looking to prevent further blights, which is the Wardens' primary goal so I would say it was a necessary evil.
I'm curious, did you read "The Calling" before playing the games? In the book, the Architect wants to end the blights and stop the call of the Old Gods and to do this his plan was to turn all of humanity into darkspawn. I must say this would be an interesting world state for the keep. The Architect is the one who awake the Old God in the first game, you don't find this out until playing Awakening and if you op to keep him alive. So for me he is to evil to live.
I'm curious, did you read "The Calling" before playing the games? In the book, the Architect wants to end the blights and stop the call of the Old Gods and to do this his plan was to turn all of humanity into darkspawn. I must say this would be an interesting world state for the keep. The Architect is the one who awake the Old God in the first game, you don't find this out until playing Awakening and if you op to keep him alive. So for me he is to evil to live.
That was his old plan. His new plan is to 'Awaken' Darkspawn and cut off the call of the Old Gods with Grey Warden blood. And I can't blame him for trying this method on a Old God and cutting of the call at the source. I probably would have done the same thing in his position, tbh.
IMO, the Darkspawn are now capable of sentience and are not just monsters. To continue fighting them now to extinction is Genocide, especially when they are offering a chance for peace.
Reminds me of the Geth. Does this being have a soul?
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That was his old plan. His new plan is to 'Awaken' Darkspawn and cut off the call of the Old Gods with Grey Warden blood. And I can't blame him for trying this method on a Old God and cutting of the call at the source. I probably would have done the same thing in his position, tbh.
IMO, the Darkspawn are now capable of sentience and are not just monsters. To continue fighting them now to extinction is Genocide, especially when they are offering a chance for peace.
Reminds me of the Geth. Does this being have a soul?
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Yeah peace good luck with that pretty much darkspawn can't coexist with any other species and they need their females to reproduce... Not mention that awakened darkspawn as well those in architect group as well mother group turned to be completely ruthless and ready to destroy every human to get what they wanted including pretty much architect this guy pretty much is responsible for pretty much all problems in dao (well not all but major problem blight) and daa.
Pretty much you have helped to create entire species that can't coexist with others and is completly ruthless and brutal in their pursuits so good luck with peace.
Eight minutes? And here I thought the rebuttals would have come sooner. And from The Komander, no less. Eh, whatever, I just want to see where siding with the Architect goes, even if it's off a cliff.
Eight minutes? And here I thought the rebuttals would have come sooner. And from The Komander, no less. Eh, whatever, I just want to see where siding with the Architect goes, even if it's off a cliff.
I don't blame you for what you have picked because i don't care as it is your choice what you do in game ,simple i point idea of peace in that case is ridiculous because of many factors as i pointed at best all you can pull is temporary alliance in long-term it is suicide for humans or any other known race unless bio will avoid realistic aspects of such situation and will go with hug&kiss.
So...
This gameplay video showing off the world map tried to censor a major quest but you can still see it.
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Holy smokes, just imagine how many Wardens are going to be killed. This sounds more like Templar activity to me. This was mentioned in the Legacy DLC on the wardens using blood magic, what I mean is those outside of the Wardens themselves. The quest at Dumat's altar. So is the Old God really dead? I felt the DLC raised that question. I think this was also mentioned in the first game, can't remember where this happened though. Don't forget the Templars did infiltrate Vigil's Keep to get to Anders while the Warden Commander was busy in the Deep Roads in the DLC with Amgarrak which set up his (Ander's) story for DA2.
That was his old plan. His new plan is to 'Awaken' Darkspawn and cut off the call of the Old Gods with Grey Warden blood. And I can't blame him for trying this method on a Old God and cutting of the call at the source. I probably would have done the same thing in his position, tbh.
IMO, the Darkspawn are now capable of sentience and are not just monsters. To continue fighting them now to extinction is Genocide, especially when they are offering a chance for peace.
Reminds me of the Geth. Does this being have a soul?
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LOL on the spoiler, no not at all, we're just having a discussion is all. I love hearing other people's views and what they think of the lore and their predictions. Let' face it we all have them where the plot is going for DA:I.
Well I do want Darkspawn to be killed into extinction and the cause of their taint. Cure, maybe if a cure is found for Wardens also. You do know that when Warden's go on their calling they turn into darkspawn. This also happened in the Calling and also the Legacy DLC. Can an old god be cured of the taint? I'd say this is the real question. They are the whole cause of the darkspawn according to the chantry and men's hubris. Yeah that was one Trevinter blood magic experiment gone horribly wrong. As to their souls, possibly, how many darkspawn were once Wardens and not just birthed from a broodmother?
I think, ultimately, it won't matter whether the Architect was spared or who Corypheus possessed, because the rogue wardens are trying to awaken an Old God themselves. Fiona was questioned extensively about her experience with the Architect and cure, as well as the plan to immunize Thedas with taint. The wardens might have reached the same conclusion that the Architect did - by feeding an Old God warden blood its calling might end. The maps Anders provided must have been in existence very shortly after the end of the blight, and were probably much older. Nathaniel seemed to favor the Architect's plan and might be a natural choice for a leader, and the wardens had brought enough explosives for mining. I had thought the wardens were going into the red lyrium trade as a retirement plan with no blights around, but what if there was an Old God under Kirkwall?
Avernus, the Architect, Corypheus, and Isseya showed how multiple individuals can come up with different ideas on how to use the taint to their advantage. The Architect manipulated Remille and Genevieve in the Fade. Corypheus was able to switch bodies, like Flemeth. Since there was more than one awakened darkspawn, what would happen if there were other ancient magisters running around? One of them could mind control wardens the same way the Architect did.
I think Nathaniel should be the next Warden-Commander of Ferelden. He seems like it would be a fit.
I think Nathaniel should be the next Warden-Commander of Ferelden. He seems like it would be a fit.
I imagine that's who my Warden would have recommended for the role before she left. Assuming she had any say in the matter, that is.
Oooo, Stroud's back.
Wonder what that man's been up to since saving Carver/Bethany and leaving Kirkwall to burn.
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