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[AresKeith]

Hey!!!! That last bit there in that pic...does that mean what I think it does?

 

No it doesn't

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

No it doesn't

 

Well, we don't know that for certain. 

 

We might just end up not finding them ourselves. 

[AresKeith]

Well, we don't know that for certain. 

 

We might just end up not finding them ourselves. 

 

It's a ruse and you find a bomb instead

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I guess 'Find the Warden' could be referring to whoever the hell this actually ends up being, too.

 

[RobRam10]

I guess 'Find the Warden' could be referring to whoever the hell this actually ends up being, too.

 

Or it could be Blackwall.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Or it could be Blackwall.

 

I thought that too, though if I recall that screenshot showed Solas at, like, level 13. I'm thinking Blackwall was probably recruited already by then.

 

Unless you can really drag out recruitment missions, because that objective was showing up in the lower level demos too.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

call me crazy but that warden could be alistair new engine new look... would explain laidlaws statment while keeping spoiler free.... just a thought

Nah. Alistair is not immune to age. In a 10 year period people get older, not younger - and that warden looks younger than Alistair did even in DA:O. New engine shows ageing pretty well on Morrigan for example, so Alistair wouldnt be an exception. 

[PrinceLionheart]

Nah. Alistair is not immune to age. In a 10 year period people get older, not younger - and that warden looks younger than Alistair did even in DA:O. New engine shows ageing pretty well on Morrigan for example, so Alistair wouldnt be an exception. 

 

Could be a place holder for Bethany/Carver.

[HK-90210]

Still wondering how Stroud fits into all of this. He seems like a good Redshirt(well, Bluearmor, really) character. I think he'll die facing Corypheus, or something. Just a gut feeling.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Still wondering how Stroud fits into all of this. He seems like a good Redshirt(well, Bluearmor, really) character. I think he'll die facing Corypheus, or something. Just a gut feeling.

I still don't understand why the Warden won't make an physical appearance especially after seeing Hero of Thedas trailer, and in my opinion the Warden has more reason to be there. Well, I'm not asking to the Warden to be protagonist of another DA game, but an actual cameo appearance would be nice, and it fits with the story if Corypheus is involved.

Despite it's difficult to include the Warden for DAI, I'm still wondering how Stroud or that random blonde Warden fits into this, but I will wait until I've seen how BioWare handle the Warden's story in DAI before judge anything. Speaking of a dying character, tbh I got the feeling a lot of character include the Inquisitor, and Hawke will be dead by the end. (Hopefully it's preventable).

 

I'm still bummed that we have to fight the Grey Warden in DAI, and I hope BioWare won't pull Cerberus on them. Hope the entire order didn't gone rogue and turned evil because *reason*.

 

[HK-90210]

I still don't understand why the Warden won't make an physical appearance especially after seeing Hero of Thedas trailer, and in my opinion the Warden has more reason to be there. Well, I'm not asking to the Warden to be protagonist of another DA game, but an actual cameo appearance would be nice, and it fits with the story if Corypheus is involved.

Despite it's difficult to include the Warden for DAI, I'm still wondering how Stroud or that random blonde Warden fits into this, but I will wait until I've seen how BioWare handle the Warden's story in DAI before judge anything. Speaking of a dying character, tbh I got the feeling a lot of character include the Inquisitor, and Hawke will be dead by the end. (Hopefully it's preventable).

 

I'm still bummed that we have to fight the Grey Warden in DAI, and I hope BioWare won't pull Cerberus on them. Hope the entire order didn't gone rogue and turned evil because *reason*.

 

 

I think the reasons Bioware is not including the Warden in an actual appearance is because they can't really pull it off without a solid portion of the fans(the only ones what care about the Warden being in at all) going all "THAT'S NOT MY WARDEN, RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE!!!!!"

 

I mean, the voices alone would be a nightmare. You've got to have a male and female dwarf, male and female dalish elf(Since the Dalish Warden's clan have different accents) and male and female generic ferelden(could make these voices for the mages, human nobles and city elves). That's six different voice actors for one role, and there is going to be almost no one saying, "Yeah, that's TOTALLY what my Warden sounded like!". And even if there are people like that, a lot of them are going to say, "Why was the Warden only there for five minutes?! WTF, Bioware?"

 

There's a hundred ways Bioware could tick off the fans that want the Warden to be shown, and almost no way they could do it without pissing off the people they're making the content for. Hawke is easier because he/she is a set race, set voice(with only three tones/personalities to account for), and a set character direction. From Hawke's actions, we basically know what kind of man/woman he/she was. Lost a sibling to blight, the other to the Circle/Templars/Wardens/Darkspawn, got rich in the Deep Roads, sent the Qunari packing(usually by killing the Arishok), freed Corypheus, killed a Grand Duke, met/helped the guy who blew up the Kirkwall Chantry and led/crushed a rebellion afterwards. The only real 'choice' that Hawke might have to reference in dialogue is the last one. Other than that, maybe a passing reference to his/her LI.

 

The Warden? MUCH harder, due to the sheer number of choices he/she made in DA:O. It's a reflection of the fact that the Warden was a proactive character while Hawke was very reactive. The Warden caused stuff to happen(gathered alliances, built an army, killed an Archdemon). Hawke reacted to stuff caused by others(joined Bartrand's expedition, stopped the Qunari when they rampaged, killed Orsino/Meredith when they went apesh*t).

 

As to the Wardens in DA:I, I think there will be plenty of Wardens that haven't gone over to Corypheus. Blackwall is one. Stroud looks like he'll be another. I think the Warden will be too, they just won't show him/her on-screen.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

*snip*

I know about those reasons, and I admit it's difficult even if they are going to imprint the Warden as mute character, but that makes BioWare's decision sound even more like they afraid that most fans would be displeased to see their Warden different than Origins. I really hope BioWare's decision for the Warden's absent is because of the story reason, not because they afraid of their fans. Many people including me still want to see the Warden return as cameo appearance, but I want to see new protagonist in every DA game so I'm not voting on a continuous adventure of the Warden or Hawke as protagonist.

 

I don't think we actually fight against the entire order, but more like offending one branch of the Wardens in Orlais. Hopefully there is a way to free those wardens and keep the casualties to a minimum since we still gonna need them when the next Blight or another Darkspawn's incursion happen. Still...judging from many of the trailers I fear we weren't given much choice, but a man can hope and I still hope BioWare won't pull Cerberus on the Grey Warden.

[HK-90210]

I know about those reasons, and I admit it's difficult even if they are going to imprint the Warden as mute character, but that makes BioWare's decision sound even more like they afraid that most fans would be displeased to see their Warden different than Origins. I really hope BioWare's decision for the Warden's absent is because of the story reason, not because they afraid of their fans. Many people including me still want to see the Warden return as cameo appearance, but I want to see new protagonist in every DA game so I'm not voting on a continuous adventure of the Warden or Hawke as protagonist.

 

I don't think we actually fight against the entire order, but more like offending one branch of the Wardens in Orlais. Hopefully there is a way to free those wardens and keep the casualties to a minimum since we still gonna need them when the next Blight or another Darkspawn's incursion happen. Still...judging from many of the trailers I fear we weren't given much choice, but a man can hope and I still hope BioWare won't pull Cerberus on the Grey Warden.

 

Agreed. and if it's any consolation, I'm with you on the Warden. I had surrendered my ownership of the the character once I started playing Hawke. The Warden was now Bioware's to do with as they wished. I just hoped that they would do justice to him/her. And if they feel that they would not do justice to him her by showing them on screen, OK. But I'm really curious how they will otherwise feature the Warden, since it has been confirmed that he/she factors into the story somehow.

 

Also, we must remember that the Warden HAVE to endure. They still have two more Blights to vanquish. They'll stick around. They just might be a little....sparse...for a while. Perfect time for the Sixth Blight to surface, eh? DA4, anyone?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

*snip*

Thank you for the consolation. I too had surrendered my ownership of the character once the Witch Hunt is completed, and despite my head canon for the Warden I know my previous character's fate are in BioWare's hand now. I also hoped BioWare would do justice to every protagonists and treat them equally, and while DG's word on how the Warden will factor into the story somehow comfort me. I do not wish to see the Warden wild up dead as named corpse or ghoul even though I know that one of the fitting end for the Warden is that he/she walked the Deep Roads to answer the Calling. Don't get me wrong, I hope there are happy ending for both the Warden and Hawke, but I just hoped BioWare would do justice for our previous protagonists more.

Indeed, two more Blights and maybe another Darkspawn's incursion leading by an intelligent Darkspawn. I hope they'll stick around, but seeing that we are forced to go up against the Grey Warden is kinda painful to watch. I just hoped we can restore what was lost. I have no idea about the setting for the next Dragon Age game, perhaps it'll concern the Sixth Blight or Qunari Invasion. Whatever it is I look forward for it.

[GrinningRogue]

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the wardens. Duncan rubbed me off the wrong way on my first play through, and I can't unsee that. Riordan was better, but still too opportunistic for my liking. And then they have these whole glorified reputation of being heroic, with little to no downside. The reputation itself isn't harmful if it's made absolutely clear that being warden means you are (basically) dead. Kind of like the legion of the dead. They are heroic, and has all the glory from killing darkspawn and has great reputation, but all the downsides are clear too. The wardens reputation is misleading, yet no one ever bothers to attempt to clear things up, because it benefits the order. 

[Shahadem]

I guess 'Find the Warden' could be referring to whoever the hell this actually ends up being, too.

 

 

They are looking up at the Inquisitor emerging from the Fade for the first time.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wardens are hardly heroic they rather have such reputation but whole order pretty much is darker anti-hero than hero. 

[Shahadem]

Agreed. and if it's any consolation, I'm with you on the Warden. I had surrendered my ownership of the the character once I started playing Hawke. The Warden was now Bioware's to do with as they wished. I just hoped that they would do justice to him/her. And if they feel that they would not do justice to him her by showing them on screen, OK. But I'm really curious how they will otherwise feature the Warden, since it has been confirmed that he/she factors into the story somehow.

 

Also, we must remember that the Warden HAVE to endure. They still have two more Blights to vanquish. They'll stick around. They just might be a little....sparse...for a while. Perfect time for the Sixth Blight to surface, eh? DA4, anyone?

 

No they don't. The humans can unite together, march down into the Deep Roads and dispatch all the Darkspawn and remaining buried dragons. 

 

Darkspawn problem solved for all time.

[Shahadem]

Nah. Alistair is not immune to age. In a 10 year period people get older, not younger - and that warden looks younger than Alistair did even in DA:O. New engine shows ageing pretty well on Morrigan for example, so Alistair wouldnt be an exception. 

 

Not quite. In Dragon Age you can become immortal. One way is by becoming a Gray Warden and drinking that magical juice which stops the taint from spreading and makes you immortal.

[Shahadem]

I remember seeing someone speculate that if Corypheus is controlling the Wardens, maybe he's using a similar "song" technique like the one that draws the darkspawn to seek out the Old Gods. With that said, Avernus managed to live for several centuries without succumbing to the Calling, so it's possible that whoever drank the results of his research *raises hand* might be immune to that sort of mind control.

 

At last, someone else who remembered that!

 

Also, only the oldest Gray Wardens are capable of succumbing to the song of the archdemons. So it doesn't make sense for Cory to be able to control all Grey Wardens when the first game literally couldn't happen if all Gray Wardens succumbed to it. And since you can't overwrite the entire premise for a game, then Cory can't control all the Gray Wardens and trying to say he can is BS of the highest order by any writer making any claims of that sort.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

No they don't. The humans can unite together, march down into the Deep Roads and dispatch all the Darkspawn and remaining buried dragons. 

 

Darkspawn problem solved for all time.

You forgot that every human nation in Thedas content to leave the Dwarves to wage war with the Darkspawn alone, and you also forgot that only the Grey Warden can kill the Archdemon or some Darkspawn like Corypheus permanently otherwise if non-warden kill those darkspawn it'll be like Hawke accidently free Corypheus.

 

Not quite. In Dragon Age you can become immortal. One way is by becoming a Gray Warden and drinking that magical juice which stops the taint from spreading and makes you immortal.

Except that every wardens will succumb to the darkspawn taint eventually, and will be forced to answer their calling in the Deep Roads.

[Shahadem]

Thinking back, my Warden wasn't that good of a Grey Warden. He did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan, prioritized saving Amaranthine over Vigil's Keep, spared the Architect, and went through the Eluvian with Morrigan. Then again, he didn't want to be a Grey Warden to begin with.

 

Why did you even have to leave Amaranthine? The entire point of getting the keep ready was so that it could survive a dark spawn siege. The keep should have been able to last weeks or even months but because of writer handwaving falls after just one day. There weren't even that many darkspawn. I mean Amaranthine falls from just 20 darkspawn if you choose not to stay in the city one more day, the keep probably falls from twenty darkspawn too. Seriously Fereldens make the worst soldiers in the world.

 

The entire last section of Awakening was on par with the end of DA2, incredibly poorly thought out and unbelieveable.

 

But anyways, saving a city full of people is more important than saving a fort since the purpose of having a fort is saving a city. Amaranthine also had a high economic importance, the fort had little significance for the area. Actually if memory serves me right that fort was really just Arl Howe's house. so it was the epitome of unimportant.

[HK-90210]

No they don't. The humans can unite together, march down into the Deep Roads and dispatch all the Darkspawn and remaining buried dragons. 

 

Darkspawn problem solved for all time.

 

It took 190 years in the First Blight before some crazy hedgemage in the Anderfels came up with the idea of using Darksapwn blood to be able to sense the Darkspawn. In that time, Tevinter was beaten into near-submission, and the barbarian ancestors of Orlais were the only ones in that part of the world still fighting with them. When faced with such an event, Thedas doesn't unite. It divides, and it takes strong, powerful people to bring them together to face their common enemy. It's human nature. When confronted with a bear, you only have to outrun the person next to you. Of course, the difference between the darkspawn and a bear is that a bear stops being hungry. Everyone else was basically backing off and letting Tevinter handle the problem it created.  The Archdemon had been slain on countless occasions, and been reincarnated each time. The ONLY known way to kill an Archdemon is for a Warden to slay it. So yes, Thedas needs the Wardens if it wants to survive the next two Blights.

[Shahadem]

You forgot that every human nation in Thedas content to leave the Dwarves to wage war with the Darkspawn alone, and you also forgot that only the Grey Warden can kill the Archdemon or some Darkspawn like Corypheus permanently otherwise if non-warden kill those darkspawn it'll be like Hawke accidently free Corypheus.

 

Except that every wardens will succumb to the darkspawn taint eventually, and will be forced to answer their calling in the Deep Roads.

 

See that has been the problem all along. None of the humans ever bother taking advantage of finishing a blight to take the fight to the retreating darkspawn when they are at their weakest by chasing them all the way into the darkroads and killing them. I am sure the dwarves would be only too glad to lend them some aid, especially because this will let the dwarves recover all their lost territory.

 

Also, until the darkspawn find and corrupt a buried dragon, it is just a buried dragon, capable of being killed by anyone.

 

And once a gray warden drinks the magic juice that gray warden alchemist makes, they will become immune to the taint and thus immune to the callilng.

 

As for Cory and the archdemon souls, the only reason they keep shifting is they used magic to detach their souls from their bodies, and they could be killed for all time by using magic to directly destroy the detached soul, which is exactly what happens when a gray warden soul nudges up against an archdemon soul. Another option would be to figure out how Caridin was able to rip souls out of bodies and secure them to golems. Too bad he's dead. Although I remember something about the dwarves having studied the process recently, maybe they have some new insights that would be helpful.

 

Remember that it is magic which even makes gray wardens in the first place. The only reason why they need archdemon blood is because there is a type of magic that is currently outside the knowledge of mages, but which they could come to understand if they were to study it. But right now Thedas is still stuck in the dark ages/renaiisance, I am sure that they will figure it out by the time they reach their own industrial revolution.

[HK-90210]

Indeed, two more Blights and maybe another Darkspawn's incursion leading by an intelligent Darkspawn. I hope they'll stick around, but seeing that we are forced to go up against the Grey Warden is kinda painful to watch. I just hoped we can restore what was lost. I have no idea about the setting for the next Dragon Age game, perhaps it'll concern the Sixth Blight or Qunari Invasion. Whatever it is I look forward for it.

 

Personally, I'm hoping for an Eighth Blight which brings together all the Old Gods into one GIGANTICOLOSONORMOUS Blight that threatens all of Thedas, including the Qunari. And it turns out that the Wardens killing the Archdemons didn't actually kill the souls of the Old Gods, but merged their souls with that of the Warden who slew them. So we face EVIL!Garahel, EVIL!Warden, EVIL-ER!Loghain or EVIL Alistair.....THIS is where the Dark Ritual will finally pay off for Thedas, as the Old God Baby joins the fight on the side of good. Yay!

 

......yeah, that'll never happen. But devs, feel free to steal the idea. It's your universe.