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[Draninus]

I think the reasons Bioware is not including the Warden in an actual appearance is because they can't really pull it off without a solid portion of the fans(the only ones what care about the Warden being in at all) going all "THAT'S NOT MY WARDEN, RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE!!!!!"

 

I mean, the voices alone would be a nightmare. You've got to have a male and female dwarf, male and female dalish elf(Since the Dalish Warden's clan have different accents) and male and female generic ferelden(could make these voices for the mages, human nobles and city elves). That's six different voice actors for one role, and there is going to be almost no one saying, "Yeah, that's TOTALLY what my Warden sounded like!". And even if there are people like that, a lot of them are going to say, "Why was the Warden only there for five minutes?! WTF, Bioware?"

 

There's a hundred ways Bioware could tick off the fans that want the Warden to be shown, and almost no way they could do it without pissing off the people they're making the content for. Hawke is easier because he/she is a set race, set voice(with only three tones/personalities to account for), and a set character direction. From Hawke's actions, we basically know what kind of man/woman he/she was. Lost a sibling to blight, the other to the Circle/Templars/Wardens/Darkspawn, got rich in the Deep Roads, sent the Qunari packing(usually by killing the Arishok), freed Corypheus, killed a Grand Duke, met/helped the guy who blew up the Kirkwall Chantry and led/crushed a rebellion afterwards. The only real 'choice' that Hawke might have to reference in dialogue is the last one. Other than that, maybe a passing reference to his/her LI.

 

The Warden? MUCH harder, due to the sheer number of choices he/she made in DA:O. It's a reflection of the fact that the Warden was a proactive character while Hawke was very reactive. The Warden caused stuff to happen(gathered alliances, built an army, killed an Archdemon). Hawke reacted to stuff caused by others(joined Bartrand's expedition, stopped the Qunari when they rampaged, killed Orsino/Meredith when they went apesh*t).

 

As to the Wardens in DA:I, I think there will be plenty of Wardens that haven't gone over to Corypheus. Blackwall is one. Stroud looks like he'll be another. I think the Warden will be too, they just won't show him/her on-screen.

 

I get what you're saying, but I think this is a cop out.  If Bioware really wanted the Warden to make a physical appearance in the game, they would find a way to do it that works.  Personally, I don't think they care enough to make the effort and would rather direct that effort elsewhere.  That's obviously just my opinion, so take that for what it's worth.  Despite that I'm part of the camp that would like to see the Warden make an appearance, I'm still pretty positive DA:I is going to be an awesome game regardless.  I'm definitely interested to see what angle they take with this Cory/Corrupted Wardens storyline that seems imminent.

[HK-90210]

I get what you're saying, but I think this is a cop out.  If Bioware really wanted the Warden to make a physical appearance in the game, they would find a way to do it that works.  Personally, I don't think they care enough to make the effort and would rather direct that effort elsewhere.  That's obviously just my opinion, so take that for what it's worth.  Despite that I'm part of the camp that would like to see the Warden make an appearance, I'm still pretty positive DA:I is going to be an awesome game regardless.  I'm definitely interested to see what angle they take with this Cory/Corrupted Wardens storyline that seems imminent.

 

Oh, I agree they could have found a way that worked. The question is, could they have done it while working within the budget for such a feature? I mean, eight voice actors/actresses? All the different cinematic work(since they have to take the race of both the Inquisitor and the Warden into account). I think Bioware made a judgement call based on how much were they willing to invest for a feature that so few of their potential purchasers would see, and ended up saying, "Let's just keep the Warden off-screen"

 

Personally, I'm hoping for a DLC to feature the Warden. Somehow. I don't know how. But it would be cool. Maybe Return to Warden's Keep? Return to Return to Ostagar?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

*snip*

I can understand those reasons, but I have to disagree with you about one thing if they are going to feature the Warden. I hoped it would be in the expansion because I think DLC is short and sometimes feel disconnected from the main story and in case the story are poorly written it's easily forgettable. I doubt DLC or full expansion features the Warden will be forgettable though.

[HK-90210]

I can understand those reasons, but I have to disagree with you about one thing if they are going to feature the Warden. I hoped it would be in the expansion because I think DLC is short and sometimes feel disconnected from the main story and in case the story are poorly written it's easily forgettable. I doubt DLC or full expansion features the Warden will be forgettable though.

 

Hmmm....I wonder if Bioware's DLC plans at the moment involve expansions or not. I'd be cool if that were the case. A Grey Warden-centric one? Where we go to the Anderfels and meet the First Warden? Griffins? Inquiring minds want to know.

[NiNjaWaffLesx]

It hasn't been confirmed directly that The Hero of Ferelden/ Warden Commander won't be in the game, has it ?
I mean I've seen tweets that suggest that but not an official clear statement that wasn't phrased in a manner to cause more speculation or just outright tease.

 

Currently there is still a possibility for them to appear. I hope they do or at  the very least (aside having a quest/plot point dedicated to him/her) have Leliana, Morrigan or Alistar mention them especially if they were previously romanced, I mean they made the decision to have characters not be re-romanceable so I interpret that as them staying loyal so an explanation or insight into what happened would be nice.

Also that pic with the "find the warden" come on that has to be the one from DA:O or DA:A otherwise it could have easily said "find Blackwall" "find AListar" (just using them as examples, there are not many wardens that I know of that bioware would use that type of wording for 

[raging_monkey]

It hasn't been confirmed directly that The Hero of Ferelden/ Warden Commander won't be in the game, has it ?
I mean I've seen tweets that suggest that but not an official clear statement that wasn't phrased in a manner to cause more speculation or just outright tease.

Currently there is still a possibility for them to appear. I hope they do or at the very least (aside having a quest/plot point dedicated to him/her) have Leliana, Morrigan or Alistar mention them especially if they were previously romanced, I mean they made the decision to have characters not be re-romanceable so I interpret that as them staying loyal so an explanation or insight into what happened would be nice.
Also that pic with the "find the warden" come on that has to be the one from DA:O or DA:A otherwise it could have easily said "find Blackwall" "find AListar" (just using them as examples, there are not many wardens that I know of that bioware would use that type of wording for

confirmed that they wont show up. Ill find the link


Edited: found the link just click bioware post
http://forum.bioware...-warden-in-dai/

[HK-90210]

confirmed that they wont show up. Ill find the link

 

This. The devs(Gaider for sure in his tumblr blog) said that the Warden will not show up in person. However, the devs also said that the Warden will factor into the game in other ways and will be mentioned for sure. We just won't get the Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor get-together we dreaded/hoped for after that shot from the "Enemy of Thedas" trailer.

[NiNjaWaffLesx]

To be honest that is brutally disappointing
dreams and aspirations crushed.

All I want is a decent resolution for the character, after Witch Hunt was released and when I finished that I was happy with the story of the Warden ending there but nope.
They pull that disappearing **** and bring back half the original companions from DA:O
If they resolve the Wardens story it better reference their LI otherwise that is a let down 

Probably should have chosen the Sacrifice option seems like death is the best resolution for characters, one that I hope comes to HAwke 

[raging_monkey]

Yeah the rage was valid but hey what can you do. Just have faith in the writers

[NiNjaWaffLesx]

Have faith in the writers?
I bought recently the $240 DA:I collectors addition (games are expensive in Australia) I support the company but I have little faith in them, but for some reason just throw money at them.

DA 2 not a good game I love it because the title has dragon age but not a good purchase 

Mass effect 3 was amazing but it is like a roller-coaster where at the end you get punched in the face.

Inquisition needs to be good otherwise my xbox one is going out the window until the next fallout game (that franchise has been consistent)

Okay here I'm gonna rage so Bioware loves talking about how they go the new protagonist each game that is cool I agree but they do it stupidly by bring back a lot of the older characters that just causes nostalgia and people then think about (In DA 2's case) how much better the original game was DA:O  

Fallout 3 and New Vegas completely new protagonist, supporting characters and location with just small references to the previous game, Fallout 3 was much better but it doesn't bother me because the next game ultimately left it alone.

DA 2's ultimate failure was the ending among a great deal of other things but it brought up the HoF and then his story is unresolved, undoing what witch hunt did

SOrry about this I really love dragon age its my favorite game series, but sometimes I feel like it hates me.
-Day one DLC
-Sequel baiting with no guarantees of resolutions  

-DA 2 companions (seriously I had Carver, Anders and Fenris killed purposely) 

but I guess we will wait and see

[raging_monkey]

Have faith in the writers?
I bought recently the $240 DA:I collectors addition (games are expensive in Australia) I support the company but I have little faith in them, but for some reason just throw money at them.
DA 2 not a good game I love it because the title has dragon age but not a good purchase 
Mass effect 3 was amazing but it is like a roller-coaster where at the end you get punched in the face.
Inquisition needs to be good otherwise my xbox one is going out the window until the next fallout game (that franchise has been consistent)
Okay here I'm gonna rage so Bioware loves talking about how they go the new protagonist each game that is cool I agree but they do it stupidly by bring back a lot of the older characters that just causes nostalgia and people then think about (In DA 2's case) how much better the original game was DA:O  
Fallout 3 and New Vegas completely new protagonist, supporting characters and location with just small references to the previous game, Fallout 3 was much better but it doesn't bother me because the next game ultimately left it alone.
DA 2's ultimate failure was the ending among a great deal of other things but it brought up the HoF and then his story is unresolved, undoing what witch hunt did
SOrry about this I really love dragon age its my favorite game series, but sometimes I feel like it hates me.
-Day one DLC
-Sequel baiting with no guarantees of resolutions  
-DA 2 companions (seriously I had Carver, Anders and Fenris killed purposely) 
but I guess we will wait and see

the link i posted has all my rage in it so im calm and willing to take a leap of faith. You have every right to be raging. And sod australria is expensive i thought americans were cash hogs im just paying 70 for the deluxe and 60 for standard

[dantares83]

if grey wardens have children (either with each other or normal being), will their children be borned with the taint?

 

i mean that is the point of the dark ritual right? the child has the taint and so is able to absorb the old god?

 

so alistair is actually already borned with the taint?

[Sol Downer]

if grey wardens have children (either with each other or normal being), will their children be borned with the taint?

 

i mean that is the point of the dark ritual right? the child has the taint and so is able to absorb the old god?

 

so alistair is actually already borned with the taint?

What...? No, their child isn't born with the taint, and NO Alistair wasn't born with it either since he mentions several times he was inducted in to the Grey Wardens. Lastly, NO the child from the dark ritual is NOT born with the taint. What was even the point of this question?

 

[HK-90210]

What...? No, their child isn't born with the taint, and NO Alistair wasn't born with it either since he mentions several times he was inducted in to the Grey Wardens. Lastly, NO the child from the dark ritual is NOT born with the taint. What was even the point of this question?

 

 

To gain information? No need to be hostile, Sol Downer. It's a legitimate question.

 

To answer your question, dantares, the Dark Ritual was a very special case as Morrrigan used magic to concieve a child that DID have the taint. If a Warden who romances her refuses to go through with the Ritual, she still has a child but the child is normal and untainted. And Alistair was not born with the taint, as he lived a perfectly healthy non-tainted life into his late-teens/early-twenties before he became a Warden. So barring dark magic, children born to or of Grey Wardens are normal, just uncommmon. And the longer a Warden has been tainted, the less likely they are to have children, which is why Morrigan says Riordan is unsuitable for the Dark Ritual.

 

As to the POINT of the Dark Ritual, we still don't know, really. Morrgian(and the devs) have been intentionally obtuse on the subject. The child did need to have the taint in order to gain the soul of the Old God, which means that the father had to be a Warden. What Morrigan's(and Flemeth's) purposes behind this were, we really don't know for sure.

[NiNjaWaffLesx]

Okay so slightly relevant to this thread (sorry if it isn't) does anyone know if the romance from Origins actually makes a difference?
because I know you can't re-romance characters eg Leliana and Morrigan, 
I guess it differs between who it was with so what happens with AListar and the Warden, this one is especially interesting if the Warden is Queen

BUt it is also interesting if the warden went through the Eluvian because I usually assumed that fits the whole disappearing aspect of DA 2

And what if the player chooses Leliana like what's the deal there?

I have the feeling that those who went with Anora or Zeveran are not gonna have satisfying content relating to that choice.

They consciously made the decision not to re-romance characters so, is the Warden still involved with those characters up until the point of disappearance ?

[HK-90210]

About the only tie in with Leliana is that she's sent to seek for the Warden (or Orlesian Warden Commander) after Kirkwall, like Cassandra was asked to track down Hawke. She still goes about her merry way though, in Asunder and Masked Empire.

 

Leliana's romance is kind of like being with a career man or career woman. They travel a lot and you rarely see them. It has a very unfinished feeling to it.

 

I'd really like for them to tie off some loose ends. I agree that the Warden romances(with the possible exception of Morrigan's) feel like there is more to tell. And I don't want Bioware to get into too many details(If you interfere with the kid I headcanoned into my Leliana playthrough, I'll ne'er forgive you, Bioware!). But it would be nice to show that even after 10 years,there's still a lot of affection and love, regardless of distance or duty.

 

Of course, Leliana's very prominent role in the story is encouraging for those who liked her romance. There's no way she won't reference the Warden, especially if she was romanced. Since Morrigan is shown to have a role in DA:I, and Alistair's voice actor was brought back, we can assume those two will have content based on romance as well. Zevran, on the other hand, is confirmed not to appear in-person. But there will be content related to him, and content specific to his romance.

 

And now that I think of it, a line or two about the Warden would be appropriate if they died slaying the Archdemon and romanced someone. I think Leliana would still be carrying around some of that pain. Zevran definitely showed that he was(since he refused to sleep with Isabela) and there's no way Alistair would ever get over it completely. Even Morrigan will probably mention is. Especially since it means that she still has a kid, but a human one.

[Palidane]

Ehh. I think that the Warden mostly ends Origin's in a good place. He either dies killing the Archdemon, adventures with Sten or his romance, or chills out and rules Vigil's Keep as Warden-Commander. The only ending that would demand an appearance is if he goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan, and that's only because she is showing up again.

 

This is in a direct contrast to Hawke, whose story is painfully incomplete no matter how you spin it. Hawke needs to show up and finish the fight, and it seems he will. But personally, I'm fine with only getting an operation or a letter or two concerning the Warden.

[HK-90210]

Ehh. I think that the Warden mostly ends Origin's in a good place. He either dies killing the Archdemon, adventures with Sten or his romance, or chills out and rules Vigil's Keep as Warden-Commander. The only ending that would demand an appearance is if he goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan, and that's only because she is showing up again.

 

This is in a direct contrast to Hawke, whose story is painfully incomplete no matter how you spin it. Hawke needs to show up and finish the fight, and it seems he will. But personally, I'm fine with only getting an operation or a letter or two concerning the Warden.

 

I would argue that the Warden's story is only incomplete in the sense that he/she is an important figure in the world. With Ferelden under threat again, you can bet there's going to be a few people saying, "We need the Hero of Ferelden again! He'll/She'll save us!"

 

Agreed on Hawke being far more incomplete. That story was one that definitely needed more closure than it got. Why, even if he/she became Viscount, did he/she disappear? Why did his/her companions leave his/her side?

 

At least the Warden got to talk to his/her companions and ask them what their plans were, now that their goal was accomplished.

[Malice]

Well, my warden most likely spending time cooking, cleaning the house and do other chores while his wife Morrigan and their kid spending time with Celene and other Orlesians Poor guy...

[GenericEnemy]

Ehh. I think that the Warden mostly ends Origin's in a good place. He either dies killing the Archdemon, adventures with Sten or his romance, or chills out and rules Vigil's Keep as Warden-Commander. The only ending that would demand an appearance is if he goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan, and that's only because she is showing up again.

 

Well they split up the Warden and Leliana too, and brought her back, so I'd almost say it's a similar situation with her as it is with Morrigan. Presumably Zevran too. None of the DA:O endings really mean much anymore.

[HK-90210]

Nice to have confirmation on Stroud being in DA:I. Still waiting on that unknown blond guy. I'm thinking of giving him a temporary name. I'm thinking Peeta.

 

 

Just think, if Hawke were wielding a bow and had longer hair. "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the 74th annual WARDEN GAMES!!!!!! May the odds be ever in your-*bonk*

[AresKeith]

Nice to have confirmation on Stroud being in DA:I. Still waiting on that unknown blond guy. I'm thinking of giving him a temporary name. I'm thinking Peeta.

 

 

Just think, if Hawke were wielding a bow and had longer hair. "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the 74th annual WARDEN GAMES!!!!!! May the odds be ever in your-*bonk*

 

Can't unsee now

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Still waiting on that unknown blond guy. I'm thinking of giving him a temporary name. I'm thinking Peeta.

 

*snip*

 

Just think, if Hawke were wielding a bow and had longer hair. "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the 74th annual WARDEN GAMES!!!!!! May the odds be ever in your-*bonk*

For some reason now I want to stab this blond guy red shirt replacement in the face even more now that his name is Peeta.

Seriously, I got the notion he's just a placeholder and it's supposed to be Stroud with Hawke, unless it's warden Alistair which I highly doubt it's him.