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[HK-90210]

For some reason now I want to stab this blond guy red shirt replacement in the face even more now that his name is Peeta.

Seriously, I got the notion he's just a placeholder and it's supposed to be Stroud with Hawke, unless it's warden Alistair which I highly doubt it's him.

 

Hm....if 'Peeta' takes the same place as Stroud, I wonder what circumstances change who appears? I mean, it's not like the devs couldn't put Stroud in the 'Enemy of Thedas' trailer. So the 'Peeta' exists distinct from Stroud. I agree that he's not Warden Alistair, though.

[Br3admax]

To gain information? No need to be hostile, Sol Downer. It's a legitimate question.

 

To answer your question, dantares, the Dark Ritual was a very special case as Morrrigan used magic to concieve a child that DID have the taint. 

 

The OGB isn't Tainted. They were at conception, but not any longer. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Hm....if 'Peeta' takes the same place as Stroud, I wonder what circumstances change who appears? I mean, it's not like the devs couldn't put Stroud in the 'Enemy of Thedas' trailer. So the 'Peeta' exists distinct from Stroud. I agree that he's not Warden Alistair, though.

Peeta would take Stroud's place if Hawke wasn't romance with anyone since he's apparently Hawke's boyfriend, and in that world state Hawke regardless of gender will have longer hair, wielding a bow. Or maybe Stroud is waiting for his mustaches to grow in Frostbite engine.

Seriously, I haven't thought about that but perhaps could it mean Stroud can die before entering the Fade if the player didn't or fail to save him. I got the feeling we can save a lot of Wardens's life during the siege at Adamant Fortress if we have done things right, and Stroud or Peeta's fate will be decided there as before we enter the Fade to fight Blinky.

 

although it seems like we'll be force to fight and kill a lot of wardens as many trailers suggested.

[Cerulione]

About the Warden using blood magic, I find it not surprising. When I played my Amell warden and discuss a bit with Duncan on the mage origin story, he did say something like blood magic is a tool to be considered if it can be used to stop Blight.

 

I actually like how bioware develop this organization from the heroic package that I initially see to this very dark and complex organization.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I actually like how bioware develop this organization from the heroic package that I initially see to this very dark and complex organization.

I like the idea of showing the other side of organization, and I always feel like the Grey Warden are is complex than people thought, and there may some corruption inside especially from the First Warden, but turning the whole organization that saves the world for five times into the evil organization who wants to destroy everything in its path because 'reason' is poor writing. I hope that BioWare wouldn't pull Cerberus on the Grey Warden, and the world in the Dragon Age universe isn't black and white.

[Daerog]

We all know that the Warden Commanders pretty much do their own thing, and the First Warden is pretty much an overseer but allows the different chapters to operate on their own.

 

If there are enemy Wardens, that hardly means they are all in agreement, even if the big bad is the First Warden... which is doubtful as we are not going to the Anderfels...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

They were never meant to be typically heroic. They didn't just save the world 5 times. They saved it at any cost. Slight difference. 

Slight differences but the outcome are always the same the world is saved by the Grey Warden.

 

 

We all know that the Warden Commanders pretty much do their own thing, and the First Warden is pretty much an overseer but allows the different chapters to operate on their own.

 

If there are enemy Wardens, that hardly means they are all in agreement, even if the big bad is the First Warden... which is doubtful as we are not going to the Anderfels...

I think there are rumors that the current First Warden is eying for Anderfels's throne, and it's certain the First Warden is interested in Primeval Thaig while the Wardens at Weissahaupt Fortress are investigating on Wardens's strange behavior. In Orlais a group of Wardens abandon their position in two strongholds. I get the feeling that this is Cory's doing.

I doubt that too, and I doubt the entire order just turned evil and we have to fight them.

 

Spoiler

Speaking of mind control and Corypheus, I wonder if anyone here seen the official leak of achievements list. Beware there are huge spoiler for certain villain.

[KC_Prototype]

What? Warden Bethany is the best Bethany.

 

I play mage Hawke most of the time though so it's a nonissue. Carver just beats her in every way really. =/

I like Carver but Bethany is just too adorable how could you hate her? And them D cups tho...

[KC_Prototype]

Spoiler

Well, it looks like Coryepheus got the Wardens summoning demons to make him an army, sucks we gotta fight them but hey...DEMONS, NOPE!!!! Also, I'm guessing some Wardens summon that big demon with the million eyes so we gotta team up with Hawke, Stroud and other Wardens to defeat it.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Sure. I just think the same mentality that makes them heroes is usually dangerous during peacetime. We shouldn't be surprised if things go belly up.

 

We keep seeing Wardens use the same extreme measures, even when they don't have to. They don't get out of "blight mode". Sophia and Avernus applied at "any cost" to win against a mere tyrant, as if it was as great a threat as the Archdemon. Corypheus is unleashed, because of the "any cost" mentality. 

 

You do realize that in war, morale and honor will be the first casualty right? Sure. I can see why that mentality is dangerous especially in peacetime, and I agree they don't have to always use extreme measures, but I think you're kinda missing the point here.

 

During the siege at Warden's Keep they were desperate, and Sophia is obsessed with defeating King Arland. I think people forgot that Sophia herself order Avernus to use blood magic when things are rough, and summon demon only when Arland's men manage to break through the fortress's front gate. I suppose there are no excuse for this case, but since Sophia drag every Ferelden Wardens with her to join the rebellion while the rest of the order displease with her decision and remain neutral, so it's not like everyone will always agree.

 

No, that "at any cost" mentality didn't unleashed Corypheus on Thedas, and as a matter of the fact that mentality in Corypheus's situation is only to force Malcolm Hawke to restore the seals on Corypheus's prison, and by the time Hawke venture there the seals are already weakened. You could say it's because of the weakened seals or it's Hawke's fault that Corypheus now walk free.

[Razored1313]

As long as they resolve the missing bit with the warden I'm fine with him not showing up, a letter explaining where he was or what he was doing would suffice for me. But I would hope that after they resolve his story they just leave him alone, if it's too complicated to bring him back then just let him have a decent ending and be done with it. Same for hawke and the inquisitor , but I understand hawke coming back to hopefully get an actual ending this time around!

Also I'm definetly on team carver, never liked Bethany ;P

[Sifr]

The OGB isn't Tainted. They were at conception, but not any longer. 

 

Aye, the goal of the Dark Ritual was to get the soul of the Old God into a new vessel that was free of the Taint.

 

Although I've often wondered whether the OGB was even tainted at all, even at conception? The Taint present within Grey Wardens seems to be located within their blood only and not within any bodily fluids, since we know that they are able to sleep with people and not risk spreading the Taint to others?

 

The way I figure it, the Dark Ritual may have been designed to be similar to the process in which the Archdemon soul-surfs through the Taint, only using blood and a familial connection instead. This was presumably modified from the same ritual that Flemeth uses to possess her daughters, which seems even more likely since Morrigan tells us that the Dark Ritual was apparently a creation of Flemeth's?

 

My theory is that while the Archdemon does use the Taint in the Warden's blood to try to jump into them, the Dark Ritual simply makes it so that once that occurs, the Warden's blood is then replaced as the base element instead, which allows the Archdemon to then be shunted into the OGB via their patrilineal blood connection?

 

Further credence to this is that we see something similar with Yavana's plan to use Alistair's blood to reawaken slumbering dragons in "The Silent Grove", where much like the OGB never being tainted despite their father being a Warden, Alistair is not a Reaver, yet nonetheless possesses the same blood as Calenhad who was (allegedly) one, allowing for the ritual to work?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Correction, I should say Janeka had the at-any-cost mentality, during peacetime. Whether she's successful or not is up to us. Larius was a bastard to Malcolm, but I don't know how much I'd want to equate him with this.

 

Our own warden gets the option to be unnecessarily risky too, with the Architect (personally, I like him to survive. It's too interesting.. but I don't operate under the pretense about how heroic I am).

Yeah, but she's kinda change her mind in the last minute when she realize Corypheus is too powerful to set loose, and she's being used by him the whole time. More importantly not every wardens agreed with her as you can see.

 

Spoiler

It doesn't matter though, when Hawke strike a final blow on Corypheus, he manage to escape through Larius or Janeka, but even if Hawke didn't defeat Corypheus he is likely to escape anyway because the seals is already weakened.

 

That is the player's decision and you can choose not to side with the Architect at all so it's kinda irrelevant.

Nobody said they were a saint, and I sure never did but would you deny the fact that Thedas is saved by them for five times. If you look back into history of older Blights, the Wardens also risk their own neck in the front line fighting Darkspawn to protect others, and if that is not heroic then I don't know what it is.

 

Well, a lot of people sure forgot their importance and their role in defeating the Blight and fighting Darkspawn. You don't have to like them, and almost everyone except the Dwarves can forget their deeds when the Blight is over, but you still need the Grey Wardens around for the next two blights, and another Darkspawn's incursion. That said, I don't like it when some in the order uses the order's heroic image as an excuse to do as they please.

[HK-90210]

Nobody said they were a saint, and I sure never did but would you deny the fact that Thedas is saved by them for five times. If you look back into history of older Blights, the Wardens also risk their own neck in the front line fighting Darkspawn to protect others, and if that is not heroic then I don't know what it is.

 

Well, a lot of people sure forgot their importance and their role in defeating the Blight and fighting Darkspawn. You don't have to like them, and almost everyone except the Dwarves can forget their deeds when the Blight is over, but you still need the Grey Wardens around for the next two blights, and another Darkspawn's incursion. That said, I don't like it when some in the order uses the order's heroic image as an excuse to do as they please.

 

Yeah, this is why you have to at least respect the Wardens. They can be ruthless at times, but that ruthlessness is always fueled by fighting an enemy that is unlike anything else Thedas has ever seen. They are not monsters. The Darkspawn are.

 

That being said, Sophia and Avernus were fools to forsake their mandate of neutrality and support rebellion. And doubly fools for resorting to blood magic. If Sophia had truly appreciated her oath, she would have left the Wardens to spare them from such a conflict. If people were truly calling for Sophia to lead Ferelden, she should have gone to the most powerful supporter she could find and start a grassroots movement for the throne. Involving the Wardens put Ferelden in serious danger from the Darkspawn when the Fifth Blight came. A stronger Grey Warden presence would have made a big difference there.

[Br3admax]

Morrigan said the ritual can be considered blood magic, so the Taint was used. 

[dantares83]

anyone know how did the first grey warden came about? i mean u need the archdemon's blood and archdemon's do not die unless a grey warden kills it???

[3PointDecoupage]

anyone know how did the first grey warden came about? i mean u need the archdemon's blood and archdemon's do not die unless a grey warden kills it???

I imagine some guy just stabbed the archdemon and got blood in his mouth. Blood splatter kinda happens a lot in DA.

[Aren]

big surprise Corypheus is dead. To be honest, why all  think that he his still alive? There is no evidence of that.

[Aren]

That's a mystery. I wonder if they'll ever reveal it.

 

I can only imagine that the First Wardens did some crazy ****. This was still the age of the Imperium. The absolute depths of magic would have been allowed and explored. Some Wardens might've even been magisters themselves. Maybe they still directly dealt with an old god, before the Blight fully set in.

Is not a mystery read the Dragon age origins codex, under creature, the archedemons.

The first archedemon was slained by some warriors not by the Grey wardens, then they take as trophy his body and blood, later the archedemon Dumat return, and in a century someone learn how to destroy him forever.

[AresKeith]

big surprise Corypheus is dead. To be honest, why all  think that he his still alive? There is no evidence of that.