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[animedreamer]

I'm curious if they've ever written all she had done in her time that was attributed to her maker given powers. Leliana mentions that the maker had given her more than one power at least, "What had happened to all her maker given powers?" - Leliana. During the sacred Ashes quest, one of the spirits of her followers and enemies mentioned she did cause a drought which caused the opposing armies crops to fail, but what other things did she do?

 

Also causing a drought would have killed more than just the opposing army, i mean... people who lived within the imperium as well as those who needed their crops to survive or supplement their own lands food supply would have likely starved too. What about the innocent people in the imperium, those who had no say in the matter of who was a slave or who wasn't, why would the maker allow his girlfriend to hurt so many while spouting his supposed truth about getting everyone to abandon their false gods and turn back to him? 

[Lumix19]

I'm curious if they've ever written all she had done in her time that was attributed to her maker given powers. Leliana mentions that the maker had given her more than one power at least, "What had happened to all her maker given powers?" - Leliana. During the sacred Ashes quest, one of the spirits of her followers and enemies mentioned she did cause a drought which caused the opposing armies crops to fail, but what other things did she do?

 

Also causing a drought would have killed more than just the opposing army, i mean... people who lived within the imperium as well as those who needed their crops to survive or supplement their own lands food supply would have likely starved too. What about the innocent people in the imperium, those who had no say in the matter of who was a slave or who wasn't, why would the maker allow his girlfriend to hurt so many while spouting his supposed truth about getting everyone to abandon their false gods and turn back to him? 

Her activities are most likely in the parts of the Chant of Light that we have not seen yet. As for the innocent people? That's a very good question and one which the Chantry really should answer. 

[Medhia_Nox]

I'm not sure I'd call people who subjugate themselves for safety to be innocent.  If they actually had issues with the Imperium - then they should have joined Andraste.

 

Do they "deserve" punishment?  Nobody "deserves" anything. 

 

But if you're going to be a victim - then you're going to have to accept whatever comes your way.

[TheKomandorShepard]

In every war "innocent" peoples die not mention that who is "innocent" is left up to the person pretty much then winner try paint himself as good guy and opponent as bad guy.So pretty much chuntry tries paint her as clean as they can and much more than she was.

[X Equestris]

Even in the most just war, innocent civilians are going to die. There isn't any way around that. Considering that it was the Tevinter who soiled the Golden City, at least according to the Chant, the Maker was probably past the point of caring what happened to a population of people who were that far gone.

As for other miracles, they are likely elsewhere in the Chant of Light. Andraste's barbarian army managed to defeat numerous Tevinter armies in battle. Granted they were weakened by the First Blight, but the Imperium had still managed to hold together until Andraste came along. It's possible this string of victories was interpreted by some as divine intervention, whether it was or not.

[Gervaise]

So far as I can remember, the majority of her miracles could have been interpreted as natural disasters, although naturally people saw it as divine intervention.   Also her charismatic power to rally people to her cause.    In some ways the natural disasters would have back fired a bit since whilst it harmed Tevinter, Mafareth's army would also need feeding.   Hence the idea by some Chantry scholars that Mafareth's betrayal was a much out of concern that his army could not survive a long siege of Mithranous as it did out of jealousy, so he wanted to quit while he was still ahead and before his army starved to death.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm curious if they've ever written all she had done in her time that was attributed to her maker given powers. Leliana mentions that the maker had given her more than one power at least, "What had happened to all her maker given powers?" - Leliana. During the sacred Ashes quest, one of the spirits of her followers and enemies mentioned she did cause a drought which caused the opposing armies crops to fail, but what other things did she do?

 

Also causing a drought would have killed more than just the opposing army, i mean... people who lived within the imperium as well as those who needed their crops to survive or supplement their own lands food supply would have likely starved too. What about the innocent people in the imperium, those who had no say in the matter of who was a slave or who wasn't, why would the maker allow his girlfriend to hurt so many while spouting his supposed truth about getting everyone to abandon their false gods and turn back to him? 

The Maker also created the Darkspawn.  Clearly he's not the kind of god who worries about civilian casualties when he wants to make a point.

 

As for Andraste's "miracles," I have no idea... as far as I can recall, she was a mortal who had the Maker's favor, so any such deeds were his doing, not hers.

[The Ascendant]

These 'natural disasters ' could easily misinterpreted as magic, the Maker used as a scapegoat allowing the obvious hypocrisy of a mage leading an army against a nation led by mages. Besides it was Maferath and his army who did most of the fighting not Andraste and her song. Maferath most likely knew that a sustained seige of Minrathous was impossible. Especially considering that the army couldn't live off the land as the 'Maker'had devastated the countryside. Perhaps Inquision will shed more light on the situation and we might hear more verses, especially the Disonent ones.

[Urazz]

Wasn't she able to do several things such as cause the crops in the lands that she conquered to grow plentiful so her army was well fed while having the crops for the Tevinter army wither and die?

 

It would make sense in some cases since there was that book that theorized that she was actually just a very powerful mage.

[Drasanil]

The Maker also created the Darkspawn.  Clearly he's not the kind of god who worries about civilian casualties when he wants to make a point.

 

The Maker isn't all powerful because he is right/good. The Maker is right/good because he is all powerful

[Steelcan]

the biggest miracle she performed was getting something done without being

 

A. The protagonist of a game

B. A female elf

[Palidane]

I think either Maferath or Shartan in the Temple mention that a bunch of freak natural disasters hit the Tevinter Imperium, but left areas conquered by Andraste untouched. Earthquakes, storms, famines, volcano's, too many at one time and in one place to be left to chance. Whether you believe that actually happened is a different matter entirely, but the claim is there.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Maker also created the Darkspawn.  Clearly he's not the kind of god who worries about civilian casualties when he wants to make a point.

 

As for Andraste's "miracles," I have no idea... as far as I can recall, she was a mortal who had the Maker's favor, so any such deeds were his doing, not hers.

 

The Tevintr Magisters created the darkspawn.

[RobRam10]

The Tevintr Magisters created the darkspawn.

Heresy.

[The Ascendant]

Heresy.

The Children of the Stone know better. Silly humans and their sky gods.

[RobRam10]

Also Andraste didn't make miracles in life unless you count her succesful invasion of the Imperium as a "miracle". The drought is acredited to the Maker IIRC not Andraste.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Children of the Stone know better. Silly humans and their sky gods.

 

They know nothing. That's actually literally their whole story about the origin of the darkspawn.

[Ryzaki]

The Tevintr Magisters created the darkspawn.

 

?

 

I thought it was the maker created the darkspawn  but it was because of the Magisters breaking into his crib

[Master Warder Z_]

IWhat about the innocent people in the imperium

 

Like the innocent Germans during the occupation of Berlin?

 

Like the Norwegians who supported Quisling to avoid their Country becoming a pockmark due to the stupidity of a King who would abandon his subjects and flee to England, all the while telling the military to fight onward and to be brave resisting the "facist" scum.

 

 

If my own experience in war, if history has taught me anything?

 

If you can't bury it in history, you make it look acceptable enough, or blame it on people history will hate anyway.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

?

 

I thought it was the maker created the darkspawn  but it was because of the Magisters breaking into his crib

 

The story goes that his participation was just kicking them out, if anything. The darkspawn taint was a direct result of them "bringing sin to Heaven", which in turn corrupted them, at least according to the Chant of Light.

[Master Warder Z_]

The story goes that his participation was just kicking them out, if anything. The darkspawn taint was a direct result of them "bringing sin to Heaven", which in turn corrupted them, at least according to the Chant of Light.

 

Sounds as likely as most theories on the matter to be honest.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well I've always thought that the truth of the matter was that saying "they were corrupted by their own sin" was a just overly poetic and flowerly way of saying they broke the Golden City by entering it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well I've always thought that the truth of the matter was that saying "they were corrupted by their own sin" was a just poetic way of saying they broke the Golden City by entering it.

 

Obviously do you not recall that verse from the chant?

 

"Marvel at my halls for their perfection is fleeting, you have brought sin to heaven and thus destroyed it."

[Ryzaki]

The story goes that his participation was just kicking them out, if anything. The darkspawn taint was a direct result of them "bringing sin to Heaven", which in turn corrupted them, at least according to the Chant of Light.

 

Oooh.

[myahele]

One miracle I can think of is that she got a magister-an archon at that- to mercy killer.