Loghain is also a villain who played second fiddle to Maric, Maric falls for...*drumroll* an elf, and Duncan dies in the first two hours of the first game, I know he's one of the comics but I don't know more beyond that
Well, in the book, Maric was completely hopeless without Loghain.
And then said elf ends up being a spy and Maric has to kill her...
Duncan is one of the main characters of The Calling, not a comic.
The OP, however, brought up the idea that the Maker was somehow at fault for supporting Andraste and allowing innocents to die as the result of her crusade. The drought was specifically mentioned as it affected more than just the soldiers who relied on those crops. The Maker described by the Chantry does not care about such things, so there is no grounds to condemn his behavior in this instance... it's totally in line with his personality.
You're right, I did mistakenly viewed the Maker as a compassionate god who at a moment lacked good judgement, when in fact he's a cruel god, and it baffles me why people would follow his supposed prophet. Someone needs to come up with a more bearable religion in Thedas and quick fast.
You're right, I did mistakenly view the Maker as a compassionate good who at a moment lacked good judgement, when in fact he's a cruel god, and it baffles me why people would hollow his supposed prophet. Someone needs to come up with a more bearable religion in Thedas and quick fast.
I don't know if I'd call him "cruel," since that would imply that he takes pleasure in the suffering of mortals. I think it's more appropriate to view him as a curious but generally apathetic god who simply enjoys watching odd scenarios play out, for good or ill. If the Maker is real, as most people in Thedas believe, it makes sense that they worship him in spite of this. After all, he did create the world and all living beings according to their religion, so it seems reasonable that they would believe they could gain his favor by doing good deeds... as neutral as he likes to be, their religion does claim that Andraste was able to get his attention and that he helped overthrow the Tevinter Imperium as a result. So although he almost never helps humans, it's not impossible to get his attention...
Well, in the book, Maric was completely hopeless without Loghain.
And then said elf ends up being a spy and Maric has to kill her...
Duncan is one of the main characters of The Calling, not a comic.
Maric killed Fiona?
My mistake
You're right, I did mistakenly view the Maker as a compassionate god who at a moment lacked good judgement, when in fact he's a cruel god, and it baffles me why people would hollow his supposed prophet. Someone needs to come up with a more bearable religion in Thedas and quick fast.
the Chantry is much better than the alternative of the Qun
the Dalish creators are just a pagan religion condemned to the history books like the Tevinter Old Gods
Maric killed Fiona?
Well no, I'm talking about Katriel...thought you were too...
Well no, I'm talking about Katriel...thought you were too...
nah, I'm talking about the Mother of Alistair, amongst other distinctions, Fiona
the Chantry is much better than the alternative of the Qun
the Dalish creators are just a pagan religion condemned to the history books like the Tevinter Old Gods
Exactly... a "new religion" doesn't just appear out of thin air. There needs to be at least one god behind it, real or imaginary. Until something changes the people of Thedas's minds about the Maker, there is no reason for them to stop worshiping him. At least, I don't see one...
nah, I'm talking about the Mother of Alistair, amongst other distinctions, Fiona
Fiona was just Maric's rebound for Katriel. :S
You're right, I did mistakenly view the Maker as a compassionate god who at a moment lacked good judgement, when in fact he's a cruel god, and it baffles me why people would follow his supposed prophet. Someone needs to come up with a more bearable religion in Thedas and quick fast.
Fiona was just Maric's rebound for Katriel. :S
the man who drove out Orlais and re-asserted Ferelden independence, with Loghain's help, fell for two elves then?
Christ they are worse than asari
the man who drove out Orlais and re-asserted Ferelden independence, with Loghain's help, fell for two elves then?
Christ they are worse than asari
Oi, a man can't help who he has the hots for/ falls in love with...
the man who drove out Orlais and re-asserted Ferelden independence, with Loghain's help, fell for two elves then?
Christ they are worse than asari
They must be stopped.
You're right, I did mistakenly view the Maker as a compassionate god who at a moment lacked good judgement, when in fact he's a cruel god, and it baffles me why people would follow his supposed prophet. Someone needs to come up with a more bearable religion in Thedas and quick fast.
He breads those who bring ham to his children; that seems like a good enough raisin to me 
They must be stopped.
Yup.
They must be stopped.
Yeah, well...you must be stopped.
Rah. Rah.
mit Blut und Eisen?
You wrote it right this time!
That said i still think the Major did one better <.<
This bit is my favorite part of it.
A war whose fury is built with iron, and lightning, and fire? Do you ask for war to sweep in like a tempest, leaving not even ravens to scavenge, from this Earth!?
the man who drove out Orlais and re-asserted Ferelden independence, with Loghain's help, fell for two elves then?
Christ they are worse than asari
You have to remember at that point Rowen was dead or dying from the taint or some rotting sickness, so he was kind of horny, and while i didn't finish the calling, there were like only 2 women in his immediate travelling company, the Warden Commander and Fiona I believe, (I don't know where i lost my book.) from the sound of it though WC didn't seem all that interested in love or maybe she had the hots for Duncan, i don't know I didn't get to finish the book.
All of this brings me back to Dragon Age 2, something that Aveline said, she quotes a part of the Chant in which it says something akin too "The less he does, the more he proves." to which Aveline basically says bullshit. She's having a minor crisis of faith but doesn't get hung up on it, even being kind of whatever-ish about whether or not Wesley is by the Makers side or not. We haven't really seen many people leaving the faith in DA, but we have seen people leaving the Qun left and right, which is weird because one is tangible while the other isn't. I hope one day we see a equal amount of former Andrastians questioning and leaving the worship of the Maker.
she quotes a part of the Chant in which it says something akin too "The less he does, the more he proves."
That isn't in the chant.
It's from the Chantry, aka its a belief of Faith.
Or at least that's what i recall a dev saying when that got brought up a few years ago.
That isn't in the chant.
It's from the Chantry, aka its a belief of Faith.
Or at least that's what i recall a dev saying when that got brought up a few years ago.
I see, that's strange because she goes on to say, "I've heard the chant, it is beautiful, but maybe that's what it needs to be." or something like that.
I see, that's strange because she goes on to say, "I've heard the chant, it is beautiful, but maybe that's what it needs to be." or something like that.
"All it needs to be."
.-.
All of this brings me back to Dragon Age 2, something that Aveline said, she quotes a part of the Chant in which it says something akin too "The less he does, the more he proves." to which Aveline basically says bullshit. She's having a minor crisis of faith but doesn't get hung up on it, even being kind of whatever-ish about whether or not Wesley is by the Makers side or not. We haven't really seen many people leaving the faith in DA, but we have seen people leaving the Qun left and right, which is weird because one is tangible while the other isn't. I hope one day we see a equal amount of former Andrastians questioning and leaving the worship of the Maker.
Alright, at this point I have to ask exactly what it is that you find so offensive about the Andrastian faith, because I simply do not understand what you're getting at... you don't understand why people would leave the Qun, a philosophy (not a religion) that dictates who you are, who you will become, what you will do, who you will marry, where you will live, and every other aspect of your life from birth until death? Seriously, you don't see any reason why people would not want to live that way...? At most, the Chantry can be accused of worshiping a god that they can't prove is real. That's it. I don't see any oppression of the common people or anything at all that would cause people to question the Maker or the Chantry's teachings... perhaps if there is a scientific revolution in the near future, then you might see people questioning the Maker, but this is a medieval society we're talking about. Unless I'm missing something, there is no reason for them to abandon their religion.
Alright, at this point I have to ask exactly what it is that you find so offensive about the Andrastian faith, because I simply do not understand what you're getting at... you don't understand why people would leave the Qun, a philosophy (not a religion) that dictates who you are, who you will become, what you will do, who you will marry, where you will live, and every other aspect of your life from birth until death? Seriously, you don't see any reason why people would not want to live that way...? At most, the Chantry can be accused of worshiping a god that they can't prove is real. That's it. I don't see any oppression of the common people or anything at all that would cause people to question the Maker or the Chantry's teachings... perhaps if there is a scientific revolution in the near future, then you might see people questioning the Maker, but this is a medieval society we're talking about. Unless I'm missing something, there is no reason for them to abandon their religion.
All I asked is why people continue to follow the Andrastian faith, if what they've done would be considered inhuman in terms of morality, and its worship of "a absentee father figure" who like some in this thread have said is the source of much of humanity and the rest of the worlds if true plight. In fact my problem isnt even with the faith, but with the Maker. The faith is at least charitable, having offered education to the masses, feeding the hungry, accepting pretty much anyone who walks through the door, though its questionable whether or not they treat all people equally in terms of their charitable work and acceptance into the hierarchy of their religion. The Maker has done nothing it seems but punish his supposed creations, and still shows no signs of his actual existence or his willingness to return to them. Stranger still his first children seem to outright deny his existence.
Is it so wrong to question things?
The Maker has done nothing it seems but punish his supposed creations
Besides giving them life, the world, the fade and free will?
They abandoned him before he abandoned them.
That's the story.
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