Meh, I'd say Wynne's more unique cause she was actually brought back for near death, plus she's far more powerful than Anders so..
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Yeah Anders was kind of a wimp when it came down to it.
Sort of a shrimpy abomination if there ever was one.
Not to mention Anders really was just a scaled down version of Wynne period.
There's also the cases we don't know about. Heck, Cole seems more unique than Anders. Anders actually seems to be a case like what they apparently do in Rivain where they infuse spirits with people. The difference seems to be Rivain probably prepares their people for it though there's still demon abominations sometimes.
There's also the cases we don't know about. Heck, Cole seems more unique than Anders. Anders actually seems to be a case like what they apparently do in Rivain where they infuse spirits with people. The difference seems to be Rivain probably prepares their people for it though there's still demon abominations sometimes.
Exactly! Cole is a weird one...though I think he's pure spirit and not an abomination.
Not really, Wynne is an abomination. Faith can be killed in the fade without harming wynne and since she is dead faith can leave anytime. She is a spirit abomination. Power is irrelevant.Meh, I'd say Wynne's more unique cause she was actually brought back for near death, plus she's far more powerful than Anders so..
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Not really, Wynne is an abomination. Faith can be killed in the fade without harming wynne and since she is dead faith can leave anytime. She is a spirit abomination. Power is irrelevant.
What makes Anders unique is the fact that its the true and complete merger of a human host and a fade entity. All they are individually is gone replaced by a a new Anders. We cannot kill Justice in the fade to free Anders nor he can ever leave his body without one of them dying. Justice shares body and soul with Anders and can only enter the fade when Anders does. They are one. We don't know if Rivain seers do what Anders does, I doubt it. The spirit they fuse with is still in the fade.
First of all, both are abominations. Wynne is far more connected to Faith and has merged much more cleanly than Anders and Justice ever did. If Justice and Anders are so damn complete, explain why the two are always fighting and why Vengeance repeatedly and forcibly takes control from Anders?
Except for all the times Anders and Justice argue towards the end if the game, as well as all the memory laps. They aren't the same person.
That is rivalry exclusive, even then you have to keep calling him crazy for it to happen. naturally when one of them loses his mind the other takes over. What I said fully applies on friendship.
That just means they don't argue as much on the friendship route.
That is rivalry exclusive, even then you have to keep calling him crazy for it to happen. naturally when one of them loses his mind the other takes over. What I said fully applies on friendship.
Hawke's assessment of Anders's mental state shouldn't have any bearing on reality though... if he is one with Justice, that should always be true, regardless of what Hawke thinks or how well Hawke and Anders get along. Perhaps Justice simply does not attempt to interfere with Anders when he's acting according to the spirit's wishes... that doesn't mean that they are fully merged on the Friendship path but not on Rivalry. It means that on Rivalry, Justice is less tolerant of Anders's doubts and attempts to think for himself.
And? It's still the same person.That is rivalry exclusive, even then you have to keep calling him crazy for it to happen. naturally when one of them loses his mind the other takes over. What I said fully applies on friendship.
I was confused by Avernus's comment that he managed to fight off age and the Calling through a "similar source" of power to the demon inside Sophia. Is he possessed, then?
First of all, both are abominations. Wynne is far more connected to Faith and has merged much more cleanly than Anders and Justice ever did. If Justice and Anders are so damn complete, explain why the two are always fighting and why Vengeance repeatedly and forcibly takes control from Anders?
I was confused by Avernus's comment that he managed to fight off age and the Calling through a "similar source" of power to the demon inside Sophia. Is he possessed, then?
He said that? Whoops... If that's true, I think it might have been a mistake to let him live.
Not really, Wynne is an abomination. Faith can be killed in the fade without harming wynne and since she is dead faith can leave anytime. She is a spirit abomination. Power is irrelevant.
What makes Anders unique is the fact that its the true and complete merger of a human host and a fade entity. All they are individually is gone replaced by a a new Anders. We cannot kill Justice in the fade to free Anders nor he can ever leave his body without one of them dying. Justice shares body and soul with Anders and can only enter the fade when Anders does. They are one. We don't know if Rivain seers do what Anders does, I doubt it. The spirit they fuse with is still in the fade.
But still technically Anders is an abomination right? Faith was weakening by the time she revived Wynne.
That just means they don't argue as much on the friendship route.
Hawke's assessment of Anders's mental state shouldn't have any bearing on reality though... if he is one with Justice, that should always be true, regardless of what Hawke thinks or how well Hawke and Anders get along. Perhaps Justice simply does not attempt to interfere with Anders when he's acting according to the spirit's wishes... that doesn't mean that they are fully merged on the Friendship path but not on Rivalry. It means that on Rivalry, Justice is less tolerant of Anders's doubts and attempts to think for himself.
But still technically Anders is an abomination right? Faith was weakening by the time she revived Wynne.
And? It's still the same person.
I was confused by Avernus's comment that he managed to fight off age and the Calling through a "similar source" of power to the demon inside Sophia. Is he possessed, then?
I'm thinking he was slowing down the aging process through blood magic or something akin to that, he really does have the most experience with it from any mage we have witnessed in the lore to date.
He said that? Whoops... If that's true, I think it might have been a mistake to let him live.
Well, he says his mind and volition remain intact, and as Z points out he might have just been using blood magic instead of a demon. (Though given that his improvements on blood magic make it alien to the demons I'm not sure if that's likely to be what he means.)
Besides Justice is the sort of spirit that puts his name before everything else and will do anything to uphold his name.
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Demons are usually much more selfish.
You lost me.
Actually, yeah it's usually the same no matter what. Hawke just treats them differently.Just like most companions rivalry and friendship paths can be quite different. Same person? Yes. Same traits and personality on both routes? Nope.
I'm wondering if the taint isn't some sort of parasitic entity. It can be passed through blood, either ritually through the joining or through contact with diseased creatures. Lyrium provides a catalyst as well, as can demonic influence. Wynne says any mage who is possessed and recovers (though rare) is forever changed (banter with Shale). Could they be carrying a demonic "taint?" Maybe that's part of the reason Anders went mad - 3 separate influences on his psyche - magic, spirit, and darkspawn. Last Flight Spoiler
Sorry this so hard to follow. I'm working on the ideas first and will try to figure out how to make it sound coherent later.
You say "shouldn't" whereas every single companion is affected by Hawke's assessments. The codex is very clear that getting the support he needs (either from a friend or lover who is Hawke) his will grows. Given that how important a mage's will is because they only requirement of becoming an abomination is wanting to become one I'd say moral support makes a huge difference here. They are fully merged on both paths, Anders's loses it on rivalry so Justice has to take over to finish their task whereas in friendship route no such thing happens and its actually Anders who has been planning to overthrow the chantry for years.
Either he's fully merged or both Anders and Justice exist. If they were merged then there would be only one being and thus no argument could occur on the Rivalry path, so which is it?
You lost me.
Justice taking over seems to be a survival instinct. Like when a bug or animal feels threatened they emit whatever toxin they got. It's not voluntary - it just happens.
As far as they're arguing...Anders respects Hawke even on rivalry path. By the beginning, Justice and Anders are fused together but they haven't fully merged. Theres a tether with Justice pulling Anders closer and Anders backing away because he has Hawke on the otherside telling him he's crazy.
Either he's fully merged or both Anders and Justice exist. If they were merged then there would be only one being and thus no argument could occur on the Rivalry path, so which is it?
Justice taking over seems to be a survival instinct. Like when a bug or animal feels threatened they emit whatever toxin they got. It's not voluntary - it just happens.
As far as they're arguing...Anders respects Hawke even on rivalry path. By the beginning, Justice and Anders are fused together but they haven't fully merged. Theres a tether with Justice pulling Anders closer and Anders backing away because he has Hawke on the otherside telling him he's crazy.
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