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[Hellion Rex]

I think Wynne's possession was more constructive than most.

Oh yeah, most definitely. Wynne certainly had her act together more than Anders. She slips a bit near the end of Asunder, but then again, her son's life was in jeopardy.

[HiroVoid]

Oh yeah, most definitely. Wynne certainly had her act together more than Anders. She slips a bit near the end of Asunder, but then again, her son's life was in jeopardy.

How could you say an indoctrinated chantry stooge like Wynne had her act more together than a free-minded thinker like Anders!?

 

,,,except when Anders wasn't able to think for himself due to being controlled by Justice.

[TheJediSaint]

How could you say an indoctrinated chantry stooge like Wynne had her act more together than a free-minded thinker like Anders!?

 

,,,except when Anders wasn't able to think for himself due to being controlled by Justice.

The Anders-Justice pairing was not what I'd call a healthy possession.

 

It does make me curious what it was about Wynne, and the spirit that joined with her, that seemed to make things work so well.

[Hellion Rex]

The Anders-Justice pairing was not what I'd call a healthy possession.

 

It does make me curious what it was about Wynne, and the spirit that joined with her, that seemed to make things work so well.

Perhaps it was that Wynne mentions that she had somehow known the spirit for much of her life, and so when it came to her when she was near death, they created a stronger bond than Anders or Justice ever could.

[HiroVoid]

The Anders-Justice pairing was not what I'd call a healthy possession.

 

It does make me curious what it was about Wynne, and the spirit that joined with her, that seemed to make things work so well.

I think a large problem with Justice in the first place was that he was already showing unhealthy signs as a spirit in DAII.  He was desiring aspects of life which is more of what a demon wants.  He wanted to enforce his will on Thedas.  Faith in comparison seems more content just helping the user and letting Wynne do her own thing.

[Lulupab]

The Anders-Justice pairing was not what I'd call a healthy possession.

It does make me curious what it was about Wynne, and the spirit that joined with her, that seemed to make things work so well.

Faith spirits are fundamentally safer than Justice spirits because we know for a fact that spirits of Justice do everything in their power to uphold their name, even if they perish for it. That's certainly not the case for faith spirits.

What I said before and the fact that Anders had a lot of suppressed anger and when he shared his soul with Justice it affected him too. In first conversation with Anders we know that Justice is like a thought inside Anders and for the most part remains the Justice we know from awakening. But when Anders reaches his anger again that's when things go haywire and Justice is transformed into Vengeance.

Sometimes Anders makes comments like "Justice does not prove of my obsession with you". I seriously doubt the force of vengeance would even talk about romance. Or in the fade its the Justice we know from awakening, its clearly not Vengeance. I am mostly talking about friendship route which seems more natural. Comparing Anders to wynne is only logical if Anders is a still a person (friend) and not a someone who has lost himself and all hope (rivalry). Anders's anger affects both him and Justice very negatively, Anders loses himself and Justice becomes a force of Vengeance.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Anders-Justice pairing was not what I'd call a healthy possession.

 

It does make me curious what it was about Wynne, and the spirit that joined with her, that seemed to make things work so well.

Wynne and her spirit were both calm and placid. That leads to a calm and placid whole. Anders was angry under a veneer of calm and humor that he kept up to keep himself alive, and Justice was inflexible as to what he saw was just. That's not a really good combination.

[HiroVoid]

Wynne and her spirit were both calm and placid. That leads to a calm and placid whole. Anders was angry under a veneer of calm and humor that he kept up to keep himself alive, and Justice was inflexible as to what he saw was just. That's not a really good combination.

Yeah.  The fact that Wynne was much more mentally well-adjusted also makes sense.

[The Baconer]

Oh yeah, most definitely. Wynne certainly had her act together more than Anders. She slips a bit near the end of Asunder, but then again, her son's life was in jeopardy.

 

That part of the book was so random. Like, why.

[TheJediSaint]

In other words, Wynne was drift-compatible with the Faith spirit.

[Lulupab]

I think a large problem with Justice in the first place was that he was already showing unhealthy signs as a spirit in DAII.  He was desiring aspects of life which is more of what a demon wants.  He wanted to enforce his will on Thedas.  Faith in comparison seems more content just helping the user and letting Wynne do her own thing.

That is not a exclusive trait to the certain Justice spirit we know of but to all spirits of Justice. However they are not in Thedas but they will do anything to uphold their name. "Since when is Justice happy? Justice is righteous. Justice is hard."

[Hellion Rex]

That part of the book was so random. Like, why.

I thought it made sense. Nothing can quite anger a mother than to threaten her child. That was more Wynne letting her emotions rule her, and I think Faith was carried along with that.

[TheJediSaint]

I thought it made sense. Nothing can quite anger a mother than to threaten her child. That was more Wynne letting her emotions rule her, and I think Faith was carried along with that.

I think the ancient magic Staff Evangeline ended up breaking had something to do with that. 

[Lulupab]

I thought it made sense. Nothing can quite anger a mother than to threaten her child. That was more Wynne letting her emotions rule her, and I think Faith was carried along with that.

Exactly! Anders' suppressed anger was the reason of all complications as well. When you share your soul with a fade entity your emotions are ought to affect them too. This is especially true because of DA's relation between emotion and magic and connection to the fade (tranquil).

[Hellion Rex]

I think the ancient magic Staff Evangeline ended up breaking had something to do with that. 

Oh, right. Forgot about that. Was it an emissary staff or something?

[TheJediSaint]

Oh, right. Forgot about that. Was it an emissary staff or something?

I'll can't recall exactly.  All I recall was that it seemed cause Wynne to behave out of character.

[The Baconer]

I thought it made sense. Nothing can quite anger a mother than to threaten her child. That was more Wynne letting her emotions rule her, and I think Faith was carried along with that.

 

It's not really her reaction, but more

 

Why do you have an evil staff

 

Why would the Warden give you an evil staff

 

How did you know to store this evil staff here for just such an occasion

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'll can't recall exactly.  All I recall was that it seemed cause Wynne to behave out of character.

I believe it was a tainted object the Warden gave her, which fans matched to an item you can only get by not stealing from the mages' chest at Ostagar until RtO.

[Kantr]

 Wasn't Anders technically a Grey Warden abomination? It's possible that Justice was corrupted into Vengeance partially because of the taint, but it certainly didn't stop him from being possessed or becoming an abomination down the line.  

 

I thought that was more due to his anger about how Mages were treated?

And yet we see that Isseya's Taint was accelerated due to blood magic usage. That, in my opinion, suggests some sort of relationship between the two.

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I thought that was more due to taking the taint from the eggs into herself

[TheJediSaint]

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I thought that was more due to taking the taint from the eggs into herself

She was already pretty far gone by the time she tried to cleanse the eggs.  Though it's also believed the Taint progresses faster during a Blight.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's not really her reaction, but more

 

Why do you have an evil staff

 

Why would the Warden give you an evil staff

 

How did you know to store this evil staff here for just such an occasion

 

Reasons.

[wcholcombe]

Except she says it herself in Asunder....

“Is it true I’ve been possessed by a spirit? Yes, that is true.” Before he could ask another question, however, she held up a finger and smiled patiently.

 

"It provided the spark of life that was fading from me, and I think that’s where it remains. A part of me, of my soul.”

 

Sounds like possession to me.

That has nothing to do with being possessed.  Having a spirit be part of you and sit quietly in the corner unless you face a demon in the fade isn't possession.

 

People who are possessed are not in control of their own bodies or powers.  Faith no more possesses Wynne then it possesses the templar in Asunder.

[wcholcombe]

I thought that was more due to his anger about how Mages were treated?

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I thought that was more due to taking the taint from the eggs into herself

 

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Her hair had been falling out and skin scaling over since long before they even killed the Arch Demon.

[Kantr]

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Her hair had been falling out and skin scaling over since long before they even killed the Arch Demon.

Oh yeah, I did know that... Thinking about it as well

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It doesnt add much to her when she takes the taint in, but it's enough to tip her near the edge. Thought as you said she was pretty close anyway

[Cainhurst Crow]

Is it true? I think it makes sense because there has been no record of a grey warden abomination and grey warden mages are the only mages are really free. I think this topic should be explored more in DA:I.

What about Sophia?