In Last Flight the demons didn't start talking to her until she started using blood magic. That definitely indicates a connection that didn't exist previously.
She actually heard whispers of both demons and spirits when they transported the first aravels, which was before she learned blood magic.
Really... I don't recall that. I don't currently have my copy with me, but it seemed having the demons talking to you and tempting you was the price that was played for using blood magic according to the blood mage who taught her blood magic.
Yes:
"She opened herself to the Fade and felt its ethereal energy fill her, flowing through the conduit of her staff. The whispers of spirits and demons teased at the fringes of her thoughts, echoing the thrum of the magic through her soul.
She pushed those whispers away and gathered the magic"
The offerings of demons became more overt during their second transport, when Isseya was becoming fatigued through having to not only levitate the aravels, but also mind-controlling several tainted griffons all at the same time (what a badass).
Just a couple of thoughts after reading this thread.
I equate Lyrium vs Blood to Coal Plant vs Nuclear Reactor.
Also there is the Red Lyrium. What is it? Perhaps it is Lyrium contaminated with blood. Just a thought.
Really... I don't recall that. I don't currently have my copy with me, but it seemed having the demons talking to you and tempting you was the price that was played for using blood magic according to the blood mage who taught her blood magic.
Spirits and demons have always been able to contact mages, especially while the mage is casting magic.
Yes:
"She opened herself to the Fade and felt its ethereal energy fill her, flowing through the conduit of her staff. The whispers of spirits and demons teased at the fringes of her thoughts, echoing the thrum of the magic through her soul.
She pushed those whispers away and gathered the magic"
The offerings of demons became more overt during their second transport, when Isseya was becoming fatigued through having to not only levitate the aravels, but also mind-controlling several tainted griffons all at the same time (what a badass).
Ok, that is quite a bit different to later when she has started using blood magic and it is nothing but demons and they aren't whispering anymore but downright practically telling her what to do. So obviously the blood magic use strengthened the demons abilities to communicate to her.
Spirits and demons have always been able to contact mages, especially while the mage is casting magic.
True, but not to the degree that the demons were able to communicate with her after she started using blood magic.
Keep in mind: new lore trumps old lore unless stated otherwise by the writers and developers.
I contest the claim that new lore automatically overrules the old. If there are contradictions, then it's the writers' task to make things clear. However, that only applies if the lore is presented out-of-world. Almost all sources of Thedas lore are presented in form of in-world accounts, and refer to single events and are written from different viewpoints, so naturally there can be discrepancies.
We can infer few, if any, hard laws about blood magic. We can infer a lot possibilities. Most spells *can* be powered by life essence in form of blood. Blood magic *can* be learned from demons. It *can* also be learned from books. Blood magic *can* make you hear demons better. Blood magic makes it possible to cast *some* spells without touching the Fade.
There are a lot of unanswered questions. For instance, the only known way to cast mind-control spells uses a blood magic spell. If blood magic is often insufficiently understood as Last Flight hints, that raises the question if there is any theoretical consideration that makes mind control always work that way, or if there are alternatives which may just require more lyrium than is available to most mages at any time. Blood magic makes it possible to invade others' dreams. A Dreamer can do the same but does not require any blood. And so on...
I contest the claim that new lore automatically overrules the old. If there are contradictions, then it's the writers' task to make things clear.
Which if they wanted to, they would. Otherwise it's just a retcon. Plenty of things have been wrong before, and they've always corrected it. So if something new comes along and changes things, and no one says anything, we have to accept that it's intended until further notice.
blood is the key component of blood magic, i belive that blood magic is not always related with demons, blood can be different in terms of quality, this is the reason of why the Magisters often try to preserve their bloodline or try to make an heir with the right partner, an intreasting consideration is the blood of Andraste, if her ashes can cure anything than her blood can do anything, now only her unknown heir have this power in the Dragon age era.
They can use fire and lightning, just not in the way a Chantry mage can.
Big question. Did anyone really notice any blood magic in DAI? It's presence wasn't really felt this time around I think.
the venatori andBig question. Did anyone really notice any blood magic in DAI? It's presence wasn't really felt this time around I think.
raging_monkey, on 30 Nov 2014 - 2:40 PM, said:the venatori and
Spoileruse it. It was more a plot device to make things more harder
Ah yes now I remember. Still it was far less prominent than it used to be, Though I'm probably just spoiled by DA2 and the fact everyone practiced blood magic in that.
didnt really help though still got the mages are the anti-christ vibe imo. Kinda wish we had it as a plot deviceAh yes now I remember. Still it was far less prominent than it used to be, Though I'm probably just spoiled by DA2 and the fact everyone practiced blood magic in that.
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The more I learn about blood magic and mages the less I want to be one. Starting to regret taking it in origins & 2. Solas was right about Morrigan being a glutton at the sight of power and not knowing what exactly she asks for.
what does that it say of the inquisitior if they do it. Power is benign its people that screw upThe more I learn about blood magic and mages the less I want to be one. Starting to regret taking it in origins & 2. Solas was right about Morrigan being a glutton at the sight of power and not knowing what exactly she asks for.
You can discuss blood magic with Solas at some point, unfortunately I don't remember the exact dialogue. You can, more or less, say that it's not inherently evil and is just a tool/knowledge like anything else. He says that
Spoilerwas different from what the Tevinters did, because it wasn't about trying to gain more power, etc. Well, I think you should chat Solas up for yourself if you want the exact details - it was interesting at least.
Given the epilogue, I take Solas to be more knowledgable about this than any other NPC with the possible exception of Flemeth, so this is really a big deal. I'll add it to the OP at some time.
Cyaoi, on 30 Nov 2014 - 5:44 PM, said:The more I learn about blood magic and mages the less I want to be one. Starting to regret taking it in origins & 2. Solas was right about Morrigan being a glutton at the sight of power and not knowing what exactly she asks for.
The more people say it's evil and wicked the more I want it 
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