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[Guanxii]

Thoughts on the role of Cerberus in future games - if any?

 

Call me crazy but if by any chance some madman was going to try to attempt to revive Cerberus back from the dead and begin dragging their sorry name out of the dirt after the reaper war and sanctuary I personally would want it to be her. Does Cerberus deserve a second chance? She once thought it did. Perhaps the Illusive Man was right - Cerberus is an idea not so easily destroyed after all.

 

Why Miranda? Well she did bring the savior of humanity back from the dead after they said that couldn't be done and saved countless human lives working for Cerberus while the Alliance made nice with the council. She admitted Cerberus probably saved her life more than once which she in turn dedicated to the cause because she once believed wholeheartedly in their ideals... has this really changed? Sure she defected when she saw what the Illusive Man had become and wavered on those ideals but he obviously saw something of himself in her having groomed and prepared her for a leadership role from a young age, probably as his likely successor given she was his second in command long before he became indoctrinated.

 

Finding redemption for Cerberus - it's people, it's ideals and goals I would imagine would be important to her (feel like keeping an old promise) and it would give her a new purpose now that her sister is safe and the reapers are gone. I think given her extended lifespan, her very (secretive/lone wolf) nature, her abilities, her network of contacts and her unparalleled knowledge about it's structure / operations / cells / agents / shell corporations, etc. it would be a natural fit for her IMO as without Cerberus she and others like her really have no purpose or outlet - she's said as much herself.

 

As for the rest of the organization while I never want to see Cerberus figure prominently again in the series I believe we might occasionally hear background rumors about them and their activity as a homage to the original trilogy with unconfirmed reports of an Illusive Woman (Alliance nickname) possibly running the show. Of course BioWare would never come outright and say it was her but I think real fans would probably put two and two together as a cool if not so subtle wink and a nod reference to the audience.

 

Has this thought ever occurred to anybody else?

[The Love Runner]

I would much prefer The Illusive Son as voiced by Charlie Sheen.

[themikefest]

I wouldn't be surprised if TIM on the Citadel is a clone and the real one is sitting back smiling waiting to make another appearance. He will change the name from Cerberus to something else. If that's the case, I don't see Miranda helping him. This is my speculation. It would be nice to see TIM and Miranda again.

[Oni Changas]

ME3 showed me that Miranda doesn't have 1/8 the intelligence and cunning to replace Jack Harper.

[Probe Away]

Over the course of ME2 and ME3, Miranda steadily abandons her pro-Cerberus views.  And by the end of ME3, there is literally nothing left of Cerberus.  The Illusive Man bet everything on using the Catalyst to control the Reapers and he lost.

 

The only way I could see her 'taking over' is if she formed her own Spectre-style vigilante justice team, writing the wrongs of the Galaxy with disregard for laws or protocols.  But that would be totally cheesy and besides, it has nothing to do with Cerberus.

 

TBH, I'd be happy if Cerberus was consigned to history in ME4.

[BioWareM0d13]

Cerberus should be dead and buried if the next game is a sequel.

 

Besides the fact that Cerberus was way overused in the Shepard trilogy, by the end of ME3 the Cerberus 'brand' should have been damaged beyond all repair. Cerberus plays the role of galactic Benedict Arnold and nearly sends humanity and every other space-faring species to its doom. It would be a bit too far-fetched for Cerberus, if it still exists at all, to retain any sort of power or influence in the aftermath of the Reaper War. 

 

That isn't to say that there couldn't be characters who share some of Cerberus' pre-Reaper War political views or goals, just that they shouldn't be Cerberus.

[ZipZap2000]

No more Cerberus Effect games please.

[ZipZap2000]

@galacticrunner I know that was a joke but i'd like to have Emilio Estevez as a VA. Young Guns is my all time favourite film and sequel.

[caradoc2000]

Has this thought ever occurred to anybody else?

I sure hope not.

[spinachdiaper]

Cerberus in the next ME should be greatly down sized and turned into a backwater group of incompetent militia yokels or simply put just revert them to the way they were in the first Mass Effect

[Farangbaa]

Lets not set the next Mass Effect in a time where it's still possible for any of the humans of ME1-3 to be alive.

[themikefest]

Or have any of the aliens from ME1-3 to be alive

[Farangbaa]

Well yeah, though it shouldn't be too far away in the future either to not lose touch with the original trilogy.

Characters like Liara and Grunt could live on for well over a millenium (Samara is over a 1000 years old and still has centuries to live, Krogan don't die of senescence as far as I know)

[Guanxii]

Over the course of ME2 and ME3, Miranda steadily abandons her pro-Cerberus views.  And by the end of ME3, there is literally nothing left of Cerberus.  The Illusive Man bet everything on using the Catalyst to control the Reapers and he lost.

 

The only way I could see her 'taking over' is if she formed her own Spectre-style vigilante justice team, writing the wrongs of the Galaxy with disregard for laws or protocols.  But that would be totally cheesy and besides, it has nothing to do with Cerberus.

 

TBH, I'd be happy if Cerberus was consigned to history in ME4.

 

Well to be far I think it would be more acurate to say it was Cerberus that drifted further away from their original ideals & goals more so than Miranda had any kind of epithany, i.e. standing armies, reaper augmentation and such. I don't think she would ever have agreed with half of the shinanigans in the end though because she is not insane, indoctrinated or all of the above. Under Miranda I would imagine the ship would be steared back on course to how it was in the early days - non of this silly take over the universe business.

 

Naturally getting back on track would amount to much smaller more inconspicuous black ops again because they are both financially ruined and wanted for war crimes.

[Mister J]

Hey this was my idea! Did you steal my idea? Well to be honest I think this would have worked the best at the end of ME3 and not in a sequel.

 

But I do like the idea of some Cerberus people - like Miranda - holding on the original Cerberus ideal. Despite mr Man claiming that Cerberus is an idea and not the people around it it seems like he's the one who determines what that idea is. Every ex-Cerberus scientist was quick enough to throw their Cerberus identity into the gutter - nobody was like: I didn't betray Cerberus, the Illusive Man betrayed Cerberus, I still remember what it's true goal is...

[steamcamel]

I would prefer a Mass Effect game without any Illusive james bond villains or any retarded subplot involving the Cerberus Circus, for that matter.

 

*crawls back into bed*

[Tonymac]

Cerberus needs to be dead and gone.

 

In ME1 there were even Salarians in Cerberus.  UNC and Cerberus quests were fun - and we cannot forget Admiral Kahoku, Corporal Toombs and the stuff with Banes. 

 

Having to work for Cerberus was nightmarish, though.  I loved ME2, but some of that plot / main idea was just bad.  It never really advanced the story.

 

 

In ME: Next I want no Cerberus at all.  Let Cerberus be dead and gone, then irradiated and buried, never to return.  This is a sci-fi game with aliens in it - why are we spending 99% of the game fighting humans?  The very idea destroys some of the quality, the story, and the feel of the game. Humans are fine and all, but I really got sick of Cerberus being the main enemy.

[themikefest]

Well yeah, though it shouldn't be too far away in the future either to not lose touch with the original trilogy.

Characters like Liara and Grunt could live on for well over a millenium (Samara is over a 1000 years old and still has centuries to live, Krogan don't die of senescence as far as I know)

Depending on the playthrough, all 3 can be dead. Grunt may never exist if the tank isn't opened and Samara wouldn't be around if not recruited.

 

If its a sequel, I rather it at least a 1000 years later to avoid anyone from the trilogy being in the game.

 

 

 

[Guanxii]

 

Depending on the playthrough, all 3 can be dead. Grunt may never exist if the tank isn't opened and Samara wouldn't be around if not recruited.

 

If its a sequel, I rather it at least a 1000 years later to avoid anyone from the trilogy being in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't get the infatuation some people have with these Bethesda-esque 1000 year plot jumps in general - it's always struck me as cheap, lazy writing. A cya move by bad writers who can't be arsed to keep a lore consistant with previous games. It makes sense from a publisher perspective if they can market it to new people sure by making it perfectly plain that the old games are irrelevant but to me it cheapens my emotional investment in the series and deminishes the richness of the universe they have created thus far. Do you really want to miss out on 1000 years of history following the imediate aftermath of the reaper invasion I certainly don't as some random irelevant story 1000 years later is far less interesting to me. Knowing who the Shadow Broker or the Illusive Woman are and that they are still around doing their own thing makes the universe feel alive. Having references and even a few minor cameos like this in future games wouldn't deminish a self contained story it would enrich the experiences of existing fans and leave newcomers no worst for it. Eventually they will pick up on a few references themselves in a few games time and the cycle goes on.

[themikefest]

I don't get the infaruation some people have with these Bethesda-esque 1000 year plot jumps in general - it's always struck me as cheap, lazy writing. A cya move by bad writers who can't be arsed to keep a lore consistant with previous games. It makes sense from a publisher perspective if they can market it to new people sure by making it perfectly plain that the old games are irrelevant but to me it cheapens my emotional investment in the series and deminishes the richness of the universe they have created thus far. Do you really want to miss out on 1000 years of history following the imediate aftermath of the reaper invasion I certainly don't as some random irelevant story 1000 years later is far less interesting to me. Having minor cameos and references in future games would enrich the experiences of fans and leave newcomers no worst for it. Eventually they will pick up on a few references themselves in a few games time and the cycle goes on.

I don't understand why some people have a problem with that. If they bring back 1 character than I like to see all characters

[Farangbaa]

I don't get the infatuation some people have with these Bethesda-esque 1000 year plot jumps in general - it's always struck me as cheap, lazy writing. A cya move by bad writers who can't be arsed to keep a lore consistant with previous games. It makes sense from a publisher perspective if they can market it to new people sure by making it perfectly plain that the old games are irrelevant but to me it cheapens my emotional investment in the series and deminishes the richness of the universe they have created thus far. Do you really want to miss out on 1000 years of history following the imediate aftermath of the reaper invasion I certainly don't as some random irelevant story 1000 years later is far less interesting to me. Knowing who the Shadow Broker or the Illusive Woman are and that they are still around doing their own thing makes the universe feel alive. Having references and even a few minor cameos like this in future games wouldn't deminish a self contained story it would enrich the experiences of existing fans and leave newcomers no worst for it. Eventually they will pick up on a few references themselves in a few games time and the cycle goes on.

 

Just for my memory.. weren't you the guy who said his Halo trilogy experience was ruined by Destiny?

[Guanxii]

Just for my memory.. weren't you the guy who said his Halo trilogy experience was ruined by Destiny?

 

I posted in the Destiny thread that I thought Destiny has basically ruined Bungie's hard earned reputation and goodwill amongst their core fanbase. It's taken them over ten years to get to this point. They practically built the xbox brand singlehandly and it was all for nothing. What did they do with all that time, money and social capital? They pissed it right up the wall. I never said Destiny being cringe retroactively makes the original Halo series or Marathon bad games - far from it. If anything you appreciate them more now because you realise there will be no more like them. That Bungie spark has long died & like lightening in a bottle it's probably never coming back. They don't care anymore because they don't even need to.

 

Back on topic. If Cerberus was completely finished other groups would certainly come along and do the not so good work. I imagine Miranda Lawson would be a priority target for one of those groups and it wouldn't be long before you basically have Cerberus by any other name.

[KaiserShep]

I would much prefer The Illusive Son as voiced by Charlie Sheen.

 

This new organization's gonna be radical. It'll make the old Cerberus look like a bunch of droopy-eyed armless children.

[windsea]

Cerberus is an idea like TIM said but it also had a important role too.

 

I do expect that role to be filled but not be a new Cerberus and not a part of the game's main story.

 

 

My prediction is this.

 

Terra Firma is going to fill the pro-human radical role but will be more like terrorists then Cerberus.

 

And The Alliance is going need to create a convert ops organization. Cerberus handier a lot of wet work so without them around the Alliance is going to need somebody to do it.

Logical Ex-Cerberus members would be the place to start as they have no problem getting their hand dirty and all the extreme members are dead now.