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#101
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I remember playing DA2 since that was the game I started on (shame on me lol) and I was admittedly a button masher, with the female Hawke rogue in the prologue fight. I had never had to use strategy before in a videogame, it was a rude awakening.

But, as I went back and tried to play Origins on casual I trudged through the missions until I got to the Broodmother in the Deep roads, which was the hardest fight for me back then.

Now I'm knowledgeable about classes, play styles and specializations/ party strategy. :)

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 I don't think I've ever played DA on the lowest difficulty setting, but I recently died on casual in ME1. It involved a lot of biotics, and it was absolutely hilarious :lol:



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Edit: Its also nice to be able to take any party members out with you without have to live (or die, hah) with the consequences of not having a tank/healer/whatever.

 

^ This. Can't believe I didn't think of this. I tend to take the companions I like in the game , because I want to hear what they have to say during quests / story lines. I try to have a variety of classes for combat reasons but this comes second to personal preference. I will NOT take a certain companion because they are the best healer, or have the highest DPS.


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Soooo... is the purpose of this entire thread just to widdle on the perceived "casuals"? How silly. And I say that as someone who generally plays on the harder difficulties.

IMO, there are only one valid complaint people can make about a game's combat difficulty: "Easy mode is too hard for me to have fun." The options for making combat more challenging are literally infinite. I can solo on Nightmare mode naked, throw away all my potions, force myself to melee everything as a mage. I can quit the game the first time I die. There is no ceiling on the challenge level.

Now, people can make arguments all day about whether the style of combat is fun to play and offers sufficient depth/interactions between abilities. But that's completely decoupled from the absolute difficulty level.

Origins had easier combat than DA2, especially if you compare them at higher difficulties. Origins mages were insanely OP, potions were infinite and had separate cooldowns, and the player didn't have to move around as much or plan ahead for waves. Nonetheless, many tactical players found Origins more satisfying.
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I don't think I've ever played DA on the lowest difficulty setting, but I recently died on casual in ME1. It involved a lot of biotics, and it was absolutely hilarious :lol:

I think I know what you're talking about. Those biotic enemies keep knocking you over? lol There were times when I was like "Oh. Okay. Doesn't look like I'm gonna get back up."
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I think I am a good gamer, gaming reflexes faster than most. Finished ME3 on insanity several times. Dead space on hard core and a lot of other games.

 

However, I have only ever finished DAO with begulier cheat, except the first time. The first time I played it at normal and my god the combat was so bloody boring, I couldn't stand it. I used begulier to pump up my character and every combat was a breeze. Then I found out "runscript killallhostiles" and all my issues were resolved.

 

I have played DA2 in Easy and Normal. In easy the combat is over before it even begins and I couldn't really apply its cross class combos. Normal was good, specially with the Archer Rogue, I really hated the melee. But for consecutive playthroughs I used easy as I do not really enjoy the combat system of Dragon age series. I think, it is even boring than KOTOR.

 

I think a lot of people like me are here for the story. I would love to have a really engaging combat, but sadly it is lacking in Dragon Age so far. Or maybe I like shooters and action adventure genre more. Witcher 2 combat is also really engaging and enetertaining.



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Okay, here's my input.
Firstly I'm not a massive gamer and only really play RPGs. I really suck at fps.
When I started playing DA, I hadn't played for about games for about 2 years and before that had been playing wow for a long time. I started with DA2 first on the PS3 and I was awful. I struggled with using a controller again and died a few times on easy. I also auto levelled my party members, which wasnt a great idea when it came to Fenris. Once I understood the game and levelled up my characters myself, I got better but it did take time.
I can honestly hold my hands up and day that if I had posted videos of me playing everyone on this forum would have laughed.

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I'm like you in this regard, I have a hard time imagining what someone that finds easy or normal in a Bioware game challenging is actually doing during combat even after explanations given but i suppose its my multiple-year mmo raiding experience that kicks in and makes it easy for me to see what to do efficiently.

 

Actually getting some degree of challenge from the enemy also enhances the immersion level the story bits is giving me due to enemies simply not bending over, i suppose those of us that enjoy both sides of the game and think they enhance each other are in the minority though.

 

I also have multiple years of MMO raiding experience. I don't play Dragon Age the same way and have no desire to. Raiding has informed my play style in terms of awareness and adaptability. That said, I play these games for the story. One of the reasons I enjoy going back to old raids is for the enjoyment of roflstomping the entire zone and seeing the story elements I had to ignore, the beautiful scenery I zoomed by, listening to music I had on mute, and reading NPC dialog I skipped over because I was busy clicking on colored squares and healing, and nowadays wrangling my raid members together since I lead.

 

I'm not going to bother with DAI multi-player either. I have a game for dealing with people, and have no interest in it for Dragon Age.

 

To your second point, I do like the combat in Dragon Age and don't want it eliminated entirely. I would find the franchise boring without combat. But I also don't need it to be greatly challenging. I went to the Deep Roads, killed some darkspawn. That's what Grey Wardens do, isn't it? That kind of combat connection to the story is enough for me.

 

The only shooter series I've played is Bioshock, all three games and DLC. While I do enjoy shooting people in those games, the amazing amount of work the devs put into that environment, all of the tiny details that truly make it an unique series is what makes me go back and play it again. On easy.


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I think I am a good gamer, gaming reflexes faster than most. Finished ME3 on insanity several times. Dead space on hard core and a lot of other games.
 
However, I have only ever finished DAO with begulier cheat, except the first time. The first time I played it at normal and my god the combat was so bloody boring, I couldn't stand it. I used begulier to pump up my character and every combat was a breeze. Then I found out "runscript killallhostiles" and all my issues were resolved.
 
I have played DA2 in Easy and Normal. In easy the combat is over before it even begins and I couldn't really apply its cross class combos. Normal was good, specially with the Archer Rogue, I really hated the melee. But for consecutive playthroughs I used easy as I do not really enjoy the combat system of Dragon age series. I think, it is even boring than KOTOR.
 
I think a lot of people like me are here for the story. I would love to have a really engaging combat, but sadly it is lacking in Dragon Age so far. Or maybe I like shooters and action adventure genre more. Witcher 2 combat is also really engaging and enetertaining.

 
I only play DAO on easy simply because that is the only mode where you don't have friendly fire. If DAO's difficulty were similar to DA2 I might play it on higher levels. I also found that a mod that increases combat and run speed (very slightly for PC AND NPCs) makes it more enjoyable and less tedious.
 
I mainly play DA2 on normal. Easy was too easy, and hard wasn't more challenging, only seeming like normal with the mobs taking longer to die. So I play on normal. No interest in nightmare because of friendly fire.


I can solo on Nightmare mode naked, throw away all my potions, force myself to melee everything as a mage. I can quit the game the first time I die. There is no ceiling on the challenge level.


I've tried using this same argument to players that complain about DLC or various bonus gear. They say that it makes they game too easy. I say you don't have to use it. Their response is that if it's there they might as well use it... I don't really understand that logic, but there you are.

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I don't mind that there are gamers out there that enjoy the challenge of the hardest difficulty. Good for them.

 

What does annoy me are the elitists who have to come out of the woodwork and tell everyone how they beat the game on Nightmare with one hand behind their back and everyone else should just stop playing the game because they're not worthy. Do they expect me to stand up at my computer desk, start a slow clap and marvel at their achievement?

 

I'm both excited and dreading the DAMP. It looks crazy fun, I just hope I don't play with the elitist crowd.

I'll play DAMP with all the other "crap" people, we can leave them to their super hardcore MP, you want in? :D

 

I'm actually a far better player than I give myself credit for, but I don't like stress, I play to have fun and relax, experience a story etc.  I don't get that from combat, especially in DA.  I also don't play strategy games or fps.


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I'll play DAMP with all the other "crap" people, we can leave them to their super hardcore MP, you want in? :D

 

I'm actually a far better player than I give myself credit for, but I don't like stress, I play to have fun and relax, experience a story etc.  I don't get that from combat, especially in DA.  I also don't play strategy games or fps.

I'm fully expecting DAMP to have tiered difficulty levels like ME3 MP. Worked well there. Think plenty of folks will be happy at the Bronze (or equivalent level). I know I'll be doing that until I feel ready to step up a tier.


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I'm actually a far better player than I give myself credit for, but I don't like stress, I play to have fun and relax, experience a story etc.  I don't get that from combat, especially in DA.  I also don't play strategy games or fps.

 

Same here, though I do play some strategy games and a few FPS, mainly Bioshock - never with others though (well, rarely I'll play Civilization with close friends; that's about it other than Portal 2's co-op). Combat can be fun at times, but making it more challenging for me in most games just ends up being stress and frustration inducing, especially if I'm playing a game mainly for story. Some combats I find exciting and enjoy jumping into them, but they tend to be in games where the story is less the focus for me.

 

I'm fully expecting DAMP to have tiered difficulty levels like ME3 MP. Worked well there. Think plenty of folks will be happy at the Bronze (or equivalent level). I know I'll be doing that until I feel ready to step up a tier.

 

... See, I thought Bronze was too hard. I might have played ME3 MP more if there was an easier difficulty. Maybe. But then again, I personally don't care for grinds and waves and waves of enemies, especially MPs set up around them. They just get boring and frustrating to me rather quickly. Partly why I have no intention to mess with DAMP, though I hope it's good for the people who are interested in it.


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I'll play DAMP with all the other "crap" people, we can leave them to their super hardcore MP, you want in? :D

 

I'm actually a far better player than I give myself credit for, but I don't like stress, I play to have fun and relax, experience a story etc.  I don't get that from combat, especially in DA.  I also don't play strategy games or fps.

 

Maybe we should start a thread for the Casual DAMP players to organise games. Unless that has already been created. Or..... did this initially insulting thread accidentally just become that very thing.


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#114
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The friendly fire thing really annoys me. I wish they made it into its own toggle, separate from the difficulty level.

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The friendly fire thing really annoys me. I wish they made it into its own toggle, separate from the difficulty level.

What's the word on friendly fire again? Is it only on Nightmare?



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What's the word on friendly fire again? Is it only on Nightmare?

 

It's on every mode now, but on Nightmare it's even harder because your companions will turn on you if you hit them too much. Too much in one go and they'll turn right there in the midst of battle, and start attacking you. Else if you build up a cumulative amount of friendly-fire in small doses throughout the game you will eventually get a scene at Skyhold where they tell you you're a dick and they're leaving.

 

 

 

 

...Okay, that's all a lie. I don't know the correct answer. But remember it could always be worse  :ph34r:


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OMG friendly fire! ME2 Jacob constantly yelling "damn it, Shepard!", and me yelling back - "stop running between me and the bad guys, idiot!"  Apparently, he was using 'strategy' or something  lol  :P


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Maybe we should start a thread for the Casual DAMP players to organise games. Unless that has already been created. Or..... did this initially insulting thread accidentally just become that very thing.

We should!  We could all suck gloriously together...cower at our flagrant disregard of tactics and thought!


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It's strange; in real life, I'm fantastic at organizing data, planning, managing a project. I have a great attention to detail. But, this bites me in the ass in games. I find myself unable to micromanage during combat because my brain just focuses on my character, and I almost never pay any attention to the party, except maybe to heal if I happen to notice they're lacking. (Incidentally, this part of the reason why I have a lot of trouble with mechanics that require me to both drive a vehicle and shoot in a different direction) The tactics system, while imperfect, does help some with this. Plus, I find while I don't exactly hate combat (I'd miss it if it were gone), in certain games, especially along the lines of DA:O, I don't have a lot of patience for it. When I play a game for a story, I want combat to pass by as quickly as possible so I can get back to the story. There are other games where I'm more focused on builds and tactics. Dragon Age simply isn't one of them. I won't ignore them, but it'll be minimal and Easy tends to put it at a nice balance of minimum tactics plus decent speed so I can both hit things and get back to the story.

 

If I want to mess with tactics and strategy as the focal point of my gameplay, I tend to turn to RTS stuff like the Total War series, or action games like Assassin's Creed where I need to put more focus on stealth and positioning myself. The story background for these sorts of games are more bare comparatively - enough to fill a good backdrop, but not really the primary focus for me. So it's easier to be drawn into the combat and planning.

I know that feeling, i can reach and recognize any location i am while walking or stranding, but put me into a videogame and i will take many minutes to reach the corner grocery store


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Oh man I will join you guys in the filthy casuals multiplayer group, haha. I would feel way more comfortable playing MP if I knew I was gonna be playing with people who just wanted to have fun and had low expectations for ability!
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#121
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I might be willing to do a round or two of DAMP when bored if it's with other filthy casuals. It might actually make failing fun. :lol:


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#122
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What platform are you all playing on? I'm undecided if I'm getting this for PC or Xbox One. Maybe both  :D



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Honestly I'm not very good at video games because I have terrible reaction times, I'm that guy who had to use omni gel on every locked object in ME1 because I was simply to slow at reacting to the hacking mini game. 

 

But despite this I love video games and playing them with my friends, it helps that my friends are bloody amazing at them and can easily carry me through every struggle and hardship that may arise. Like in Destiny, I am bloody awful but my friends always drag me to victory!!  :D


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I'm on PC.

 

I also have a crapton of raid experience going on 5 years, as a healer...but as someone else said earlier, it's not what I look for in DA...



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Honestly I'm not very good at video games because I have terrible reaction times, I'm that guy who had to use omni gel on every locked object in ME1 because I was simply to slow at reacting to the hacking mini game. 

 

But despite this I love video games and playing them with my friends, it helps that my friends are bloody amazing at them and can easily carry me through every struggle and hardship that may arise. Like in Destiny, I am bloody awful but my friends always drag me to victory!!  :D

Hahaha I love you.  I was also a bit of an omni-gel ****** too, those mini games *sigh*

 

It all basically comes down to pressure and how I don't like it, some people revel in it..I'm not one of them, I was a very very good healer, but it cost too much by way of my nerves, it's why I don't raid anymore.  I don't want a constant feeling of anxiety whenever I approach something and that's how it feels, to me at least.