Re: NRieh
It does, but for many players he is still "the character they romanced" even if he wasn't there at the end, no? If you romanced Tali and then she died, you still "romanced Tali". There is no conflict in the auto-solver between "Romanced Alistair" and "Alistair became a drunk".
And, more importantly, even ignoring the romantic status, you were still lovers, and there is explicitly no option for people who were lovers and then exiled him. The description doesn't say "were not lovers or whose relationship was destroyed" it just says "were not lovers", which is explicitly not true for everyone who exiled him.
(If this could be fixed before launch, even by rewriting a description to allow the circumstance if its too late to add the appropriate option, it would certainly save me and others a major headache)
Hey, fellow Keepers. I just got the keys to the Keep yesterday, completed my first Tapestry and found a message this morning that my world state need changes in order to be valid. For DA:O it killed Zevran, had Alistair kill the archdemon, Alistair and Warden not lovers, Anora rules, no baby with Morrigan, no Grimoire. For DA2 it wiped out the whole Zevran plot line since I guess he's dead now. I accepted the changes - should I leave the world state as is, or can I try to fix it?
The Auto-Solver should do everything in order to ensure your decisions do not counter each other. However, if it changed them to something you didn't do, by all means, attempt to fix the world state, and report bugs, should you find any.
I had some questions if anyone can answer them:
1) Many of the questions appear to be missing options that allow players to always have an appropriate selection, because of how specific the descriptions are.
For example, there is no option under "Did the Warden remain King Alistair's Mistress?" for someone who was his lover, but than had him exiled.
Likewise, there is no option under "What was Leliana's Fate?" for having recruited her, and then kicking her out of the group.
If it is too late to simply add the appropriate options for these things (ideal solution), is it possible to just change the description of one of the options to incorporate it? Like change Leliana left because of what happened with the Urn to Leliana left for some reason and unlink it in the auto-solver from the Urn question? Even the part about continuing to have an intimate relationship about Alistair is only incomplete because every single description that admits you were lovers implies he either became king or stayed with the Grey Wardens - again, simply editing one of the descriptions could solve this.
I know this is "ask a keeper", but I'm new - is this the only build with this problem? If not, this close to release, why are more people not submitting feedback about this?; it seems to be a very basic oversight.
At least for the "Did the Warden remain Alistair's mistress" tiles they're known to be rather buggy to begin with and require some level of assumption that this was the status of their relationship at the very end of the game like after the archdemon was killed (or just before). The same goes for all relationships since some people could have started a relationship with more than one character but ended with another. (Another poster mentioned they slept with Morrigan but romanced leliana to the end and got a human baby during witch hunt)
The same goes for DA2 where the romances are assumed on their status at the end of Act 3 and fully completed, gift and all. The devs seem to want to take a singular 'successful' romance approach to keep it simple for later games.
Definetly submit feedback since that tile got buggier when they updated the Keep with the ISS over a week ago. Right now I can say "Romanced Alistair" yet also select "Alistair and the Warden weren't lovers" which wasn't possible in the older build two weeks ago.
I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
I've just tried to have a Dwarven warden rule with Anora but it says it conflicts with the 'didn't recuit dog' state? Is this a quest issue or a Keep bug? I can't see any normal correlation between those two?
I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
I've just tried to have a Dwarven warden rule with Anora but it says it conflicts with the 'didn't recuit dog' state? Is this a quest issue or a Keep bug? I can't see any normal correlation between those two?
I tried to recreate this bug and got another one.
I picked the male noble dwarf and it let me select 'Anora and the warden rule'. They changed my warden from Aeducan to Cousland without my input.
I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
But, when we can choose our warden commander when warden is dead? I don't know if it is a bug or this feature is not yet implemented, if it will be.
I did my tapestry yesterday and when I signed back on it wants to keep changing my world state to show that my warden died and Anora rules. I can change it back to what I had but then I log off and it does it again. Every time I change it back it then shows as Zevran dead which in my playthrough he is not and if I change it to show he is alive it wants to say the dark ritual was never done which it was with Alistair and that I died. Also, how can I have more than one world state saved?
I tried to recreate this bug and got another one.
I picked the male noble dwarf and it let me select 'Anora and the warden rule'. They changed my warden from Aeducan to Cousland without my input.
Interesting - mine definitely stayed as my Dwarven noble... I did check for that actually...
I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
I've just tried to have a Dwarven warden rule with Anora but it says it conflicts with the 'didn't recuit dog' state? Is this a quest issue or a Keep bug? I can't see any normal correlation between those two?
That's bug for sure. You should feedback this. Firstly, dwarf could not be a king on Anora's side, and secondly, that doesn't restrain you to obtain a dog. I have some bug too. For example my warden died and yet go through the mirror with Morrigan. As a spirit maybe? And I'm playing with Keep in this really funny game - i'm choosing human mage and then Keep change him for elf mage. Over and over again. Neverending fun : D
I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
I've just tried to have a Dwarven warden rule with Anora but it says it conflicts with the 'didn't recuit dog' state? Is this a quest issue or a Keep bug? I can't see any normal correlation between those two?
Curious why you were trying to have a dwarven warden rule with Anora Sounds like a bug, but dog's tile is connected to Coulands in a unique way so you may be triggering something with that one. Did you select that you didn't recruit dog before? Because the tile might be changing to the Couland automatically without you knowing and if so, the dog tile is triggering because you have to have dog.
Interesting - mine definitely stayed as my Dwarven noble... I did check for that actually...
Ugh take it back! It did change mine to a Human Noble Male without asking me. Grr...
I tried to recreate this bug and got another one.
I picked the male noble dwarf and it let me select 'Anora and the warden rule'. They changed my warden from Aeducan to Cousland without my input.
Just to be clear: so the problem is the Keep not asking you to change your Warden to human, but doing it by itself? Same thing happened to me, btw, now that I tried it. Aeducan does turn into Cousland like he should, but the conflict popup won't notify me about it.
Hi there everyone! I just got added to the Keep beta and I've already gone through it once, and one thing that struck me was a decision of Morrigan and the Warden having a "human baby" instead of an "old god baby." Does anyone have any information on what that's referring to? How is it possible to have had a child with Morrigan outside of the Dark Ritual?
I did my tapestry yesterday and when I signed back on it wants to keep changing my world state to show that my warden died and Anora rules. I can change it back to what I had but then I log off and it does it again. Every time I change it back it then shows as Zevran dead which in my playthrough he is not and if I change it to show he is alive it wants to say the dark ritual was never done which it was with Alistair and that I died. Also, how can I have more than one world state saved?
it's a common issue some people are having, I had that and had to delete my world state and start over. Definitely a bug to be reported.
Hi there everyone! I just got added to the Keep beta and I've already gone through it once, and one thing that struck me was a decision of Morrigan and the Warden having a "human baby" instead of an "old god baby." Does anyone have any information on what that's referring to? How is it possible to have had a child with Morrigan outside of the Dark Ritual?
If you romance morrigan but refuse the dark ritual, you will have a normal baby no matter what. It's mentioned during Witch Hunt.
it's a common issue some people are having, I had that and had to delete my world state and start over. Definitely a bug to be reported.
If you romance morrigan but refuse the dark ritual, you will have a normal baby no matter what. It's mentioned during Witch Hunt.
It's also mentioned in the epilogue of Origins.
That actually is a genuine (but indirect) plot conflict. You can only marry Anora as a human noble, and human nobles don't have a choice in recruiting dog, they always get dog.I've not been through all 56 pages so apologies if this had been addressed (not on known issues thread)
I've just tried to have a Dwarven warden rule with Anora but it says it conflicts with the 'didn't recuit dog' state? Is this a quest issue or a Keep bug? I can't see any normal correlation between those two?
because they have shut it down to read only, they are moving all the character data from the old BSN into the Keep to fix the sync issue
Look, I understand that but my profile should still be there under the DA:O section since they are only read only. I guess I will have to contact a moderator or customer support to get an appropriate answer to my question.
Re: Devil's Avocado
The solution then would still be a change in the description to the "Not Lovers" that simply allowed for it covering the Exiled outcome, rather than saying that they were never lovers. And honestly I don't think the Romanced Alistair selection should be mutually exclusive with the "Not Lovers" or "Became Drunk" choice, for exactly this reason.
Look, I understand that but my profile should still be there under the DA:O section since they are only read only. I guess I will have to contact a moderator or customer support to get an appropriate answer to my question.
Re: Devil's Avocado
The solution then would still be a change in the description to the "Not Lovers" that simply allowed for it covering the Exiled outcome, rather than saying that they were never lovers. And honestly I don't think the Romanced Alistair selection should be mutually exclusive with the "Not Lovers" or "Became Drunk" choice, for exactly this reason.
That's assuming they meant for that tile to be end game but it isn't clear on that, even that wording could mean the same thing depending on who's reading it. Now that I think about it, the best solution is to take that tile out of this scenario.
What they need to change is instead of having that tile say "Never lovers" It should say "Alistair isn't King" since the choice in question is all about King Alistair and his relationship with the Warden. Having the "Alistair remains with the grey wardens" tile had been causing bugs anyways and should be removed. There's already another tile in Alistair's fate that mentions him staying with the wardens, have that connect with the romance.
That way the only two tiles we would worry about is whether "Romanced Alistair" and "Alistair became a drunk" conflicts.
If you romance morrigan but refuse the dark ritual, you will have a normal baby no matter what. It's mentioned during Witch Hunt.
It's also mentioned in the epilogue of Origins.
Thanks, I was unaware of this. I never romanced Morrigan and didn't do the Dark Ritual, so I've never seen the slide.
Re: Devil's Avocado
No, that doesn't seem like a solution, if I'm understanding you right (Never Lovers -> Alistair not King). It would solve the problem I was talking about, but then it would eliminate all options for people who made Alistair King and never had a relationship with him. Replacing the "Remained with Wardens" tile you mentioned though with "Alistair is not King" would solve the whole problem with no collateral.
Re: Devil's Avocado
No, that doesn't seem like a solution, if I'm understanding you right (Never Lovers -> Alistair not King). It would solve the problem I was talking about, but then it would eliminate all options for people who made Alistair King and never had a relationship with him. Replacing the "Remained with Wardens" tile you mentioned though with "Alistair is not King" would solve the whole problem with no collateral.
Ah, forgot to consider that. Yea that replacement would be a better solution 
already submitted my feedback on this, hopefully they listen.
Curious why you were trying to have a dwarven warden rule with Anora
Trying to break things is a good thing. xD Finds bugs!
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