This and the Cullen option looks a little vague isn't it ?
the cullen one I have no clue but the Tallis one I get
lol I just explained the Cullen tile literally like two pages ago, but again:
It is vague, but it is an existing mechanism in the game, like Tallis' mood switch at the final conversation.
I had a question about a Keep choice that might be an edge case: my Wardens usually kill the White Falcon Mercenaries at the Pearl but persuade the Crimson Oars to take their business elsewhere without a fight, since they're not really doing anything wrong except annoying the stuck-up patrons at the Gnawed Noble Tavern.
Currently, the two options for dealing with the Crimson Oars in the Keep suggest that the Warden either turned down the mission and let the Oars stay at the Gnawed Noble, or "handled" them (with the tile showing one of the Oars with his throat cut, indicating that the situation was resolved violently). Not really a big issue, but of the two choices, which one do you all think comes closest to reflecting the original world state I'm trying to recreate? For the time being I've gone with the "handled" option to indicate that I did all of Kylon's quests, even if the artwork is bloodier than the outcome I chose, though I have submitted feedback to suggest a third choice.
I had a question about a Keep choice that might be an edge case: my Wardens usually kill the White Falcon Mercenaries at the Pearl but persuade the Crimson Oars to take their business elsewhere without a fight, since they're not really doing anything wrong except annoying the stuck-up patrons at the Gnawed Noble Tavern.
Currently, the two options for dealing with the Crimson Oars in the Keep suggest that the Warden either turned down the mission and let the Oars stay at the Gnawed Noble, or "handled" them (with the tile showing one of the Oars with his throat cut, indicating that the situation was resolved violently). Not really a big issue, but of the two choices, which one do you all think comes closest to reflecting the original world state I'm trying to recreate? For the time being I've gone with the "handled" option to indicate that I did all of Kylon's quests, even if the artwork is bloodier than the outcome I chose, though I have submitted feedback to suggest a third choice.
If you kill the White Falcon Mercenaries inside of the Pearl (instead of telling them to leave and killing them in a random encounter), you don't even get the quest to tell the Crimson Oars to get lost because you've either killed Sergeant Kylon or he'll refused to talk to you. I think 'handled' is closer to reflecting the world state than not, personally.
This is pretty arcane and few people seem to have noticed it, but Cullen does change his disposition towards Hawke in Act 3 depending on how you've spoken to him and/or how you've been handling the mage/templar-related quests. If you're very pro-mage, to the point of openly arguing with him about it (with such dialogue options as "It's the Templars' fault" / "mages must be free!"), in Act 3 Cullen will greet Hawke with "you've been less of a friend to the Templars." If you've been neutral/agreeable/not argumentative in dialogue with him, he will greet you as "good to see an old friend."
It does take you at least two radically different playthroughs paying special attention to a rather minor character to notice that this is even there at all, but it is. Generally, the more neutral/pro-Templar you are, the more friendly he becomes, and the more abrasive/pro-mage you are, the less friendly he gets. It is possible to play pro-mage and still be friendly with Cullen, though - you just can't be excessively contrarian when talking to him. If you go for neutral dialogue choices (say, rather than "all mages must be free" or "all Templars are evil," you answer "both sides have their flaws" or something), he'll still regard you as a friend.
For Keep purposes, because this would take an unwieldy amount of work to go back through your saves to check (if you even have them), this choice can be made based on your Hawke's personality/beliefs. You can guess whether your Hawke is the type to make friends with Templars or not from their general disposition. And ultimately, it can be treated as more of "how do you want Cullen to remember Hawke in DAI" question. Even if this flag turns out to not do anything after all, it's a good way to guess what you should choose for each of your Hawkes.
I'm pretty sure this is actually wrong. Cullen saying "It seems you've become less of a friend to the templars in the years since your ascent" is based only on whether you spoke up in favor of Meredith at the start of Act 3 or not. If you do he says "I'm sure you know how much it meant to the Knight-Commander for you to side with her against Orsino." In both cases he refers more to the Champion's relationship with the Knight-Commander" and his own personal feelings are unaffected. You can still talk to him like he's an old friend and he's still super nice to you in his ambient and conversation dialogue. It would only be the case if he was much less friendly when you ask him how he is or click on him that the game would keep track of not being his friend.
So far I've never heard of anyone not being able to say "I'm wanted to see how an old friend is doing in this difficult time" or have Cullen not say "I hope my letter found you well" after he sends you notice of the rumors about Aveline.
If you kill the White Falcon Mercenaries inside of the Pearl (instead of telling them to leave and killing them in a random encounter), you don't even get the quest to tell the Crimson Oars to get lost because you've either killed Sergeant Kylon or he'll refused to talk to you. I think 'handled' is closer to reflecting the world state than not, personally.
Yes -- just to clarify, I meant I usually kill the Falcons later in the random encounter.
I'm pretty sure this is actually wrong. Cullen saying "It seems you've become less of a friend to the templars in the years since your ascent" is based only on whether you spoke up in favor of Meredith at the start of Act 3 or not. If you do he says "I'm sure you know how much it meant to the Knight-Commander for you to side with her against Orsino." In both cases he refers more to the Champion's relationship with the Knight-Commander" and his own personal feelings are unaffected. You can still talk to him like he's an old friend and he's still super nice to you in his ambient and conversation dialogue. It would only be the case if he was much less friendly when you ask him how he is or click on him that the game would keep track of not being his friend.
So far I've never heard of anyone not being able to say "I'm wanted to see how an old friend is doing in this difficult time" or have Cullen not say "I hope my letter found you well" after he sends you notice of the rumors about Aveline.
Yeah, I always assumed the question about whether Cullen is your friend or not was dependent on whether he joined you in the final battle or not. As I've never had him not as a friend, I wouldn't know whether he always defends you against Meredith or not, but that may be more of what the devs are thinking of.
Hmm, ISS still stops working for me around Orzammar -- specifically, when it gets to the decision regarding the Anvil of the Void. Is there a way around this?
Also, there really needs to be a fast-forward button or something for ISS, because having to sit to everything just to hear some piece of the story later on is getting to be really tedious.
This is pretty arcane and few people seem to have noticed it, but Cullen does change his disposition towards Hawke in Act 3 depending on how you've spoken to him and/or how you've been handling the mage/templar-related quests. If you're very pro-mage, to the point of openly arguing with him about it (with such dialogue options as "It's the Templars' fault" / "mages must be free!"), in Act 3 Cullen will greet Hawke with "you've been less of a friend to the Templars." If you've been neutral/agreeable/not argumentative in dialogue with him, he will greet you as "good to see an old friend."
It does take you at least two radically different playthroughs paying special attention to a rather minor character to notice that this is even there at all, but it is. Generally, the more neutral/pro-Templar you are, the more friendly he becomes, and the more abrasive/pro-mage you are, the less friendly he gets. It is possible to play pro-mage and still be friendly with Cullen, though - you just can't be excessively contrarian when talking to him. If you go for neutral dialogue choices (say, rather than "all mages must be free" or "all Templars are evil," you answer "both sides have their flaws" or something), he'll still regard you as a friend.
For Keep purposes, because this would take an unwieldy amount of work to go back through your saves to check (if you even have them), this choice can be made based on your Hawke's personality/beliefs. You can guess whether your Hawke is the type to make friends with Templars or not from their general disposition. And ultimately, it can be treated as more of "how do you want Cullen to remember Hawke in DAI" question. Even if this flag turns out to not do anything after all, it's a good way to guess what you should choose for each of your Hawkes.
Thanks Ninetozero, that was very helpful! Now that you mention it, I do recall the "you've been less of a friend to the templars of late" line.
And according to this clip (at about the 1:00 mark): it does seem like it was possible to call Cullen an "old friend" after all.
Thanks Ninetozero, that was very helpful! Now that you mention it, I do recall the "you've been less of a friend to the templars of late" line.
And according to this clip (at about the 1:00 mark): it does seem like it was possible to call Cullen an "old friend" after all.
It depends on whether you sided with the templars at the top of act 3 or not - plus previous choices, I'd imagine.
I'm pretty sure this is actually wrong. Cullen saying "It seems you've become less of a friend to the templars in the years since your ascent" is based only on whether you spoke up in favor of Meredith at the start of Act 3 or not. If you do he says "I'm sure you know how much it meant to the Knight-Commander for you to side with her against Orsino." In both cases he refers more to the Champion's relationship with the Knight-Commander" and his own personal feelings are unaffected. You can still talk to him like he's an old friend and he's still super nice to you in his ambient and conversation dialogue. It would only be the case if he was much less friendly when you ask him how he is or click on him that the game would keep track of not being his friend.
So far I've never heard of anyone not being able to say "I'm wanted to see how an old friend is doing in this difficult time" or have Cullen not say "I hope my letter found you well" after he sends you notice of the rumors about Aveline.
To be clear, the "old friend" line I'm referencing is not Hawke calling him an old friend in that line everyone gets (shown in the video above), it's Cullen calling Hawke an old friend the first time you greet him in Act 3. And yes, he is polite to you regardless of considering you a friend or not, but then again so is Meredith. They maintain a certain profesionalism with Hawke, even if you go out of your way to antagonize them. That's why it's such an arcane trivia that no one remembers.
I can't tell you for sure what is the trigger for his different greetings, but I have got the "less of a friend" greeting even when siding with Meredith at the beginning of Act 3, and the "old friend" one even when siding with Orsino, so it can't be exclusively tied to that either. The most consistent results I've got have been with his personal conversations with Hawke, independently of Hawke's decision at the beginning of the final act.
In any case, as I said, that tile is more a blatant callout to Inquisition than to DA2. It's not really possible to establish whether your Hawke and Cullen were friends or not beyond your own headcanon, since they interact so sparsely during the game itself, so if anything, this tile is more asking how you want Cullen to refer/react to your Hawke showing up again, if he reacts at all.
^ Yup. When you stop to talk to Cullen at the beginning of Act 3 you can say "Just saying hello to an old friend."
This shouldn't be possible, should it? If you're a male Warden (which you must be to have romanced her), you have to do the ritual yourself. I don't remember even getting the option to talk it out with Alistair or Loghain as a male Warden, she just demands that you do it yourself right then and there.
Sorry for extremely late response had to do things
I am 98.7% sure it isn't possible, hence why I'm telling these guys that their YOLO Button causes some invalid world-states apparently.
To be clear, the "old friend" line I'm referencing is not Hawke calling him an old friend in that line everyone gets (shown in the video above), it's Cullen calling Hawke an old friend the first time you greet him in Act 3. And yes, he is polite to you regardless of considering you a friend or not, but then again so is Meredith. They maintain a certain profesionalism with Hawke, even if you go out of your way to antagonize them. That's why it's such an arcane trivia that no one remembers.
I can't tell you for sure what is the trigger for his different greetings, but I have got the "less of a friend" greeting even when siding with Meredith at the beginning of Act 3, and the "old friend" one even when siding with Orsino, so it can't be exclusively tied to that either. The most consistent results I've got have been with his personal conversations with Hawke, independently of Hawke's decision at the beginning of the final act.
In any case, as I said, that tile is more a blatant callout to Inquisition than to DA2. It's not really possible to establish whether your Hawke and Cullen were friends or not beyond your own headcanon, since they interact so sparsely during the game itself, so if anything, this tile is more asking how you want Cullen to refer/react to your Hawke showing up again, if he reacts at all.
I had just tested it. One Hawke that once got the "It seems you've become less of a friend to the templars" got the "I'm sure you know how much it meant to the Knight-Commander" if I changed who I spoke out in favor of. And those are the only two lines I've ever heard. I've never heard of any line where Cullen refers to Hawke as an old friend, even on my pro-templar Hawke. Even Meredith seems to recognize that in several dialogues that my other two didn't get. There doesn't seem to be any trace of such a line.
But if he really wasn't friends with Hawke, why wouldn't he object him Hawke calling him an old friend?
Not sure if this is a bug or not but I submitted it anyway. I'm trying to create a world state with all possible dead so under Broken Circle I picked "Irving died in the battle". Then the autosolver wanted me to change from supporting the mages to supporting the templars. What if the intention was to save Irving but the Warden wasn't able to? I know that actually happened to me the first couple of times I played the game since I didn't understand the mechanic of how the litany worked.
Not sure if this is a bug or not but I submitted it anyway. I'm trying to create a world state with all possible dead so under Broken Circle I picked "Irving died in the battle". Then the autosolver wanted me to change from supporting the mages to supporting the templars. What if the intention was to save Irving but the Warden wasn't able to? I know that actually happened to me the first couple of times I played the game since I didn't understand the mechanic of how the litany worked.
According to the wiki, if Irving died then you can't side with the mages.
Goddamm this is so frustrating. My six choices (grimoire, goldanna, marjolaine etc) seemed to no longer reset (checked like 15 minutes after correcting them). Now I just logged in the Keep, hours later, and there you go: all have reset again.
Sorry for extremely late response had to do things
I am 98.7% sure it isn't possible, hence why I'm telling these guys that their YOLO Button causes some invalid world-states apparently.
As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, it is totally possible for a male Warden to talk Morrigan into doing the ritual with Alistair or Loghain (I actually did this on my first play-through with a Cousland who didn't want to cheat on Leliana). Not sure if it's still possible when you're in an active romance with Morrigan herself.
Goddamm this is so frustrating. My six choices (grimoire, goldanna, marjolaine etc) seemed to no longer reset (checked like 15 minutes after correcting them). Now I just logged in the Keep, hours later, and there you go: all have reset again.
It's a rather common problem so we share in the frustration 
and even more so for the devs probably.
According to the wiki, if Irving died then you can't side with the mages.
Well that sucks....the implication being all the mages are dead anyway so there is no one to side with? Now if I could just stop getting that stupid "your world state can't be saved because it's locked" (no, it isn't! 
) message, maybe I could make the change and have it stick.
Does anyone feel that the choice whether to kill or spare Brother Genitivi should be added? I mean he's a pretty renowned scholar I feel his death (if killed) would have some sort of impact on Thedas.
That was the subject of a poll, recently. That option seemed to win, so maybe.
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