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[Willowhugger]

So, we know that the Mage-Templar War will be coming to an end in Dragon Age: Inquisition. This is a thread for talking about what you hope from the war, what you expect to happen, and what you think the likely ramifications for the setting will be.

 

1. How big a role do you perceive it playing?

2. How many missions do you think will relate to it?
 

3. What do you think will be the lore-consequences from what we know?

 

4. How devastating do you think the war has been?

 

5. How would you like to resolve the war?

 

This isn't a thread to discuss whether you're Team Stormclock or Team Empire or whatever as that's been discussed to death. Instead, it's to discuss what you think it will be like versus how you want it.

[katerinafm]

For some reason I imagine that it'll end pretty underwhelmingly, and that's mostly because I've heard that it's something that's going to happen pretty early in the game. Makes it look like it's going to be something that the inquisitor will 'fix up' quickly as if it were nothing. Of course I could and expect to be wrong. If the game's storyline is that big then it happening 'early' doesn't mean as much.

[raging_monkey]

1: a some what moderate role since we have bigger problems
2:Around 4 not too many not too less
3:not too many consequnces since it goes to a new status quo or back the old one with few addendums
4: its been going on for 4 years(started in 9:38-42) and apparently both groups have been raiding and both groups have exhausted themselves to the point of truce
5: id like a compromise were both sides get what they want no need to destroy one group over the other thays just silly imo

[Willowhugger]

For some reason I imagine that it'll end pretty underwhelmingly, and that's mostly because I've heard that it's something that's going to happen pretty early in the game. Makes it look like it's going to be something that the inquisitor will 'fix up' quickly as if it were nothing. Of course I could and expect to be wrong. If the game's storyline is that big then it happening 'early' doesn't mean as much.

 

My suspicions are this is going to be only a single part of the game, equivalent to the Werewolves vs. the Dalish for an example. It will probably also only take place in the Hinterlands but will involve a lot of sidequests. I also predict resolving the Mage-Templar War is what gives the Inquisition its street cred.

 

We saw one of the side-quests in the demo where you can kill some Templars to avenge a murdered farmer.

[katerinafm]

My suspicions are this is going to be only a single part of the game, equivalent to the Werewolves vs. the Dalish for an example. It will probably also only take place in the Hinterlands but will involve a lot of sidequests. I also predict resolving the Mage-Templar War is what gives the Inquisition its street cred.

 

We saw one of the side-quests in the demo where you can kill some Templars to avenge a murdered farmer.

 

Yeah, but that particular side quest appeared to be pretty minor and could be considered a fetch quest (you need to bring the ring back to the wife). Regardless, I just hope the mage templar war feels as big as it has been building up to.

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, but that particular side quest appeared to be pretty minor and could be considered a fetch quest (you need to bring the ring back to the wife). Regardless, I just hope the mage templar war feels as big as it has been building up to.

 

What I'm saying is that will probably be the sidequests around it.

"Go kill Templars here."
"Go kill mages here."

And so on and so on.

 

I also predict the war will be mostly over in the fact that both sides were drastically weakened by the Rift Explosion. As a result, you'll be able to "finish off" whichever side you want in one decisive battle.

 

In short, the war isn't starting or even D-Day.

The war is just outside Berlin.

[AlexiaRevan]

1. How big a role do you perceive it playing?

They said it's short . So maybe it be like a mini-act 1 . I personaly though DAI would be about the war as such , then saw the Trailer and it isn't . Watever come afterward.....hopefully the transition from the war...to close breach would make sense . Not just jump right ahead.....or make it feel rushed . I'm hoping that even if they put a curtain on the war , we still see the aftereffect . Cose issues like that just don't dissapear in thin air...cose it raining demons .

2. How many missions do you think will relate to it?

Hopefully alot...well not the whole game . But at least alot (since the game promise to be huge) to satisfy the players who like me wanted to see it . 

3. What do you think will be the lore-consequences from what we know?

Hum...I'm guessing it could go like in Kotor 2 . No more Jedi or Sith , and a new order either of the faction that survived rise and build up a new order with new rules . Or none make it out and they just become something peoples will avoid making again . Which will make an opening to anything new that want to take their places . 

4. How devastating do you think the war has been?

Everyone gone zealot and kill on sight...can't get worse then that . 


5. How would you like to resolve the war?

Give as good as you get . 
 

[SmilesJA]

It's very disappointing that the mage templar war is going to end so soon. I wanted to see more of it.

[SerCambria358]

I hope (but dont think we can) we can choose to suppress both sides, i dont want to be forced to choose between them, both sides have their tendencies to do evil

[raging_monkey]

It's very disappointing that the mage templar war is going to end so soon. I wanted to see more of it.

think of it this way the forums will be less toxic

[TheJediSaint]

Spoiler

So, we know that the Mage-Templar War will be coming to an end in Dragon Age: Inquisition. This is a thread for talking about what you hope from the war, what you expect to happen, and what you think the likely ramifications for the setting will be.

 

1. How big a role do you perceive it playing?

2. How many missions do you think will relate to it?
 

3. What do you think will be the lore-consequences from what we know?

 

4. How devastating do you think the war has been?

 

5. How would you like to resolve the war?

 

This isn't a thread to discuss whether you're Team Stormclock or Team Empire or whatever as that's been discussed to death. Instead, it's to discuss what you think it will be like versus how you want it.

1. A major quest that's part of the main plot.

 

2. It will probably make up the bulk of the quests in the Hinterlands.

 

3. Major inside the game, minimal outside.

 

4. Comparable to the damage of the Orleasian Civil War.

 

5. Stick both sides' noses into the mess they made and tell them they've been very, very bad.

[TK514]

In size, I expect something between saving Redcliffe and the Dalish/Werewolves event.  Nothing even remotely as long as Broken Circle or A Paragon of Her Kind.

 

I'm honestly not sure what the consequences will be.

 

As for how devastating, fairly, at least to the Hinterlands and wherever the two factions have their respective bases.  It is my impression that the explosion at the peace conference kills the moderates of both factions, and leaves the radicals in charge.  And they don't seem too concerned about whoever gets caught in the middle.

 

I hope, however it is resolved, it is given the gravitas it deserves.  It's a serious issue, the rights and freedoms of quarantined potential threats to reality, and it deserves to be treated as such.

[Master Warder Z_]

The war is just outside Berlin.

Dude...

[Willowhugger]

Dude...

 

Poor metaphor for almost being over?

[dgcatanisiri]

Just because the war gets resolved early on won't necessarily mean that the effects of it aren't going to be felt through the rest of the game - no matter the results, this is going to have a major effect on the landscape of Thedas. Things can never go back to the way they were before, with the Circles and them being under Templar control. That's just going to put things right back where they were and spark another war again.

 

So I think it'll be like the first act's BIG DEAL, having two or three main quests with a handful of related sidequests, and that it's going to have a significant effect on the game itself. I'm reluctant to say it'll have severe consequences in future games, just because you can't have two wildly divergent results and expect future games to be able to account for it, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it 'smoothed out' in future games, to some stage that can feel like a natural evolution of any result. And there'll probably be a handful of proverbial fires to put out after it, because I doubt that just because the war reaches an official end means that all parties will stop fighting it.

 

As for how I WANT to resolve it? Trickier - I do see a need for a place like the Circle, and as well as someone non-magically inclined to remind others where the line needs to be drawn. The Chantry's system hasn't worked, but neither has the Tevinter model. And, no matter what, it's going to have a LOT of growing pains because there are scars still healing in the aftermath of the war, so tensions will still be high between mages and non. I refuse to entertain the thought of executing mages at the first sign of magical ability, so that idea's off the table as well. Giving mages their own 'territory,' so to speak, is a problematic affair, since it would require displacing people, and the elves would probably get upset at taking the time to do this for mages but not them. So I don't really see a solution that will be an immediate fix to the problem. But what's going to be most necessary is communication from both magical peoples and non to find the right solution. If the Inquisition, as led by our Inquisitor, has to take on the role of 'neutral third party' in making sure that another war doesn't spark, that the mages are treated humanely and non-magical people are protected, I'm willing to accept it, at least in the short-term.

[Master Warder Z_]

Poor metaphor for almost being over?

Considering personal family history.

Just maybe...

~.~

My youngest great uncle was born in a bomb shelter in the final days of a regime some folks didn't much care for.

In a city that may or may not have been mentioned.

And I may or may not be directly related to many more people who suffered and died in a European conflict occuring at the time.

@.@ seriously I'll just stop.

[Willowhugger]

Apologies for touching on a sensitive family subject.

[Dusksworn]

How I would like it resolved?

 

I would like some reform to both the Circle system and Templars as well. If alternatives to getting them all addicted to Lyrium can be found, they should be embraced.

 

Maybe get them all a copy of the Litany of Adralla and have them memorize it.

 

The circles should probably have a more open visitors policy, and less strict rules about things that have nothing to do with keeping people safe from evil magics.

 

Circles should still be operated, and there still need to be non-mages who are trained to deal with magic.

[Icy Magebane]

Let's see...

 

1. How big a role do you perceive it playing?
I expect it to be brief since they said we'll be deciding on a certain path "early" in the game, but it will likely influence certain aspects throughout the game, like our reputation with certain potential allies or maybe unlocking certain quests while locking others.

 

2. How many missions do you think will relate to it?
Um... probably a lot.  I expect it to be resolved quickly, but as I said, it will probably influence other quests down the road... anything involving humans could potentially be effected by this choice.

 

3. What do you think will be the lore-consequences from what we know?

I have no idea.  It's going to depend heavily on how things turn out for each path... I can't even begin to guess.

 

4. How devastating do you think the war has been?

Very.  In that old E3 demo they said it was tearing the land apart, and we saw some of the destruction first hand...

 

5. How would you like to resolve the war?

With a series of bloody confrontations regardless of which side we choose...

[veeia]

I imagine it will be a scenario where we have to pick one side (no peace options) and the "winning" side will ally with us for the rest of the game. Probably not in a huge role (reactive dialogue, maybe different side quests), but perhaps it might affect strategies in the final battle? 

 

I think there will be enough missions leading up to it so that a new player can get a feel for the two sides and the history of the conflict. They accomplished this in ME3 in what.... 3 missions? (For Rannoch). That seems like a good touchstone to me. 

 

The devastation from the war is going to be severe....for the Templar and Mage orders. Haven't really gotten the impression from the books that (outside from maybe some of the circles imploding) that it's affected outside of that, but since everyone in Thedas at least knows a mage or a templar....it's going to be more of a psychological/social schism that possibly (along with other conficts, the Qunari invasion of Kirkwall, the Orlesian war, etc) will further weaken areas when the big Bad Fade stories happen. 

 

Lore wise! Depends on how its resolved. If the mages gain independence, that's a huge change...ditto the elves. I'm kind of dubious that Bioware will want to create very many areas where there is a huge divergence in lore like that. It creates a lot more work for future games (either accommodating that or finding ways to retcon/work around it)....but we'll see. 

 

I have no idea how I'd prefer the conflict to be resolved. My ideal scenario, which won't happen, would be a huge reform of the Circles/Templar order while still keeping them...I think. I will wait to see what options we are given and figure out which one my Inquisitor likes. I really hope the options aren't "slaughter the mages or slaughter the templars" though.

[Vaseldwa]

1. How big a role do you perceive it playing?

 

I think it will act as a set up for what quests you will get through out the game, as well as affecting your relationship with certain companions.

2. How many missions do you think will relate to it?

 

At least 5 if not more, especially if its something we are going to resolve early in the game.
 

3. What do you think will be the lore-consequences from what we know?

Depending on what we can influence besides who "wins", the lore-consequences could be any number of things. 

 

4. How devastating do you think the war has been?

I have no doubt that its pretty bad and will get worse before it gets better (as in until we step in).

 

5. How would you like to resolve the war?

 

Rebuilding the circle with minor changes is what I want to do. But realistically I would like to come to some sort of peace, because I feel they need each other and both sides could help the inquisition a great deal. 

[Panda]

I just hope that outcome of mage-templar war is going to be shades of grey instead of just choosing side between templars and mages and killing other side.

[SerCambria358]

I just hope that outcome of mage-templar war is going to be shades of grey instead of just choosing side between templars and mages and killing other side.

Thats my main fear, just a black and white choice between the two instead of bringing the two together or taking the two out choosing neither side.

[Knoppers]

I agree with most people here. I think after properly setting up the Inquisition as an organization the Mage-templar-war will be the first big main quest. I'm actually expecting some sort of ME3 structure.

That was like:

Spoiler

1. Earth + Citadel+ Palaven (as set-up)

2. Tuchanka (first big main quest)

3. Attack on Citadel (mid-game turning point)

4. Rannoch (second big main quest)

5. Thessia+Cerberus+Earth (end-game)

 

Inquisition could be like:

Spoiler

1. Breach+Haven+Skyhold (as set-up)

2. Mage-Templar-War (first big main quest)

3. Orlesian Civil War (second big main quest)

4. Attack on Skyhold (mid-game turning point)

5./6./7. other big main quests (Grey Wardens, Venatori, Red templars or whatever)

8. end-game (probably fade-related)

 

We know from the Skyhold interview that one of the factions will join your Inquisition in some form, so i expect the result to be mentioned through out the rest of the game and some sidequests being only available, if you sided with the 'right' side. (This was already the case in DA2.)

 

As for lore consequences, since they are planning more games in the franchise, the differences in  the results this war can't be huge. My idea would be something like:

The circle system is restored and we get to choose, who manages and controls the circles.

Option A: The mages govern themselves.

Option B: The templars resume control. (possibly even tighter control than before)

Option C: The Inquisition takes over. (? I don't know, maybe there is no third option,)

[Chibi Elemental]

I just hope that outcome of mage-templar war is going to be shades of grey instead of just choosing side between templars and mages and killing other side.

 

 

Thats my main fear, just a black and white choice between the two instead of bringing the two together or taking the two out choosing neither side.

 

here here, I really hope both sides have something thats great about them and something that is really scary about them and hopefully not all of it is clear to your from the start.