I wouldn't go so far as to call them 'mindless', but you do have a point. Also remember that darkspawn generals and the Archdemon lead the horde, and they aren't exactly dumb either.
It would certainly be impressive to watch the two fight! The Qunari have a reputation for being good at warfare/occupation, in addition to unyielding tenacity. This, plus the gaatlok make them formidable.
Its just like real life, most people are unexceptional. Part of the carthaginian problem was they were an army made primarily of mercenaries. Hannibal didnt do to well against Scipio Africanus though did he
Scipio was lucky to face Hannibal towards the end of the war. Fabius Maximus deserves a lot of credit for getting Hannibal out of Italy.
He was a man who knew how to fight the greatest general of his age.
Hint: By not fighting him.
The Darkspawn, via sheer numbers.
Scipio was lucky to face Hannibal towards the end of the war. Fabius Maximus deserves a lot of credit for getting Hannibal out of Italy.
He was a man who know how to fight the greatest general of his age.
Hint: By not fighting him.
Are we still talking about Thedas warriors or RL? lol
Are we still talking about Thedas warriors or RL? lol
Fun tangents are fun.
Maybe we can may the Inquisition the best warriors in Thedas. That would be something.
Also, Rommel killed many more than 30.000 Allied troops.
Not in one theater campaign.
The Westwall offensive was a spectacular failure because they went up against a general who knew his ****when it came to defensive war.
You really are new to the internet aren't you? I hoenstly cannot be bothered with explaining to you the purpose of discussion. Have fun in the widlerness of the internet though.
Eirene to be fair i wasn't trying to declare Model the best tactician in history; What i did wish to portray was however that he made usage of resources, his logistical situation, the enemy activity of the time and the natural terrain of the battlefield and transformed it all into a spectacular meat grinder for his enemy in a way which has only been replicated in history a dozen or so times (that i can recall to the degree; including Hastings, Waterloo, Gettysburg and elsewhere)
I really, really do believe he should be remembered more as a military mind then he is, because while his earlier contributions to the war were dubious in some cases (although i do believe had he and Guderian been heeded Kursk would have, had an entire different outcome) He ultimately succeeded in one of the most massive upsets in modern warfare against a superior force.
Though admittedly, that's just my opinion and while it is somewhat educated, it isn't what i'd declare an expert opinion.
Yeah, I'm a babe in arms.
What you're doing is not a "discussion". There are a bunch of people who are talking past each other because they each have an idiosyncratic understanding of what "best warriors" means and how to find out who the "best" are. There is no logic to any of the responses: everybody tosses around tangentially connected factoids about their chosen champions, but there's no way for any of these appreciations to even be remotely intersubjective because, again, nobody has the same way of figuring out "best" as anyone else.
What I'm doing is trying to get you to appreciate the futility of this ranking idea. Academic historians, by and large, don't bother with it (unless they're trying to sell books to the hobbyist set). That should tell you something. Yet academic historians do write and talk a lot about military history. Clearly, then, there are discussions to be had about warfare and warriors that don't involve ranking them like that. And if it can be done for the real world, there is no reason that it can't be done for Thedas.
At the very least, though, even if that quixotic effort doesn't work, I am at least trying to inject an element of logic into the "best" conversations that you do have. Which is what that was.
But if that's unwelcome, I can take a hint.
Why OF COURSE the entire discussion about what is best is subejctive. What the flying **** did you expect? What people here are actually doing, is presenting their candidates, and presenting an arguement as to why they believe as they do. Master Warder has made his opinion known, and argued for it. SOme have disagreed and presented counter opionions. That is how discussions work. The ranking is both figurative and speculative. It is mostly done, for this little known phenomenon, called in some circles: "Fun".
Of course we can't have any of that in this PURELY scientific though highly subjective discussion about preferentials.......
Not in one theater campaign.
The Westwall offensive was a spectacular failure because they went up against a general who knew his ****when it came to defensive war.
What are you talking about? The African theater cost a whole lot more lives than a meagre 30.000... And Rommel was the commander of battles that cost over 50.000 allied troops their lives.
And of course if we are counting Soviet troops as allied forces (sometimes people do, sometimes people don't, it is kind of iffy), then the high casualties of the Soviet troops often had more to do with the tactics employed by the Soviet general, than his opponent.
What are you talking about? The African theater cost a whole lot more lives than a meagre 30.000... And Rommel was the commander of battles that cost over 50.000 allied troops their lives.
It also lasted three years.
Hurtgen lasted less then two months.
It also lasted three years.
Hurtgen lasted less then two months.
Yes. But you cannot really scratch it all up to casualty reports. There are much more to it. Pretext, context, equipment, strength, weather, all that good stuff.
Scipio was lucky to face Hannibal towards the end of the war. Fabius Maximus deserves a lot of credit for getting Hannibal out of Italy.
He was a man who know how to fight the greatest general of his age.
Hint: By not fighting him.
Credit is also due to the romans who obliterated Hasdrubal's army trying to reinforce Hannibal
Ah, you speak of specific warriors, now?
I'd have to say the Warden, then. The PC Warden can potentially take an improved Joining potion that enhances the Taint within them. This gives them an edge in combat. Warriors can become Spirit Warriors/Reavers/Templars, and Mages can be Arcane Warriors/Blood Mages.
The PC Warden also has a very impressive history:
Has slaughtered abominations, darkspawn, demons, soldiers, lesser dragons, werewolves, golems, and reavers
Defeated several, powerful creatures. The High Dragon, Gaxkang, Flemeth, Shad Wyrd, The Archdemon, The Architect, and the Mother. I've probably missed a few.
Has defeated probably the best general Thedas has seen in decades, perhaps centuries, in single combat: Loghain.
Also has access to the Sacred Ashes, which gives the PC a free heal from anything!
All very true. The Warden was indeed a powerful warrior, but in the purest test, single combat, Loghain wasn't a worthy opponent, imo. Yes, he was good, but not amazing. As far as I know, a determined player could defeat him with Wynne.*snip*
All very true. The Warden was indeed a powerful warrior, but in the purest test, single combat, Loghain wasn't a worthy opponent, imo. Yes, he was good, but not amazing. As far as I know, a determined player could defeat him with Wynne.
In my experience the Warden was quite weak running solo. More of a team player, than a singular force of destruction.
clearly you didn't play a berserker
long thread for a simple one word answer. wow.
Qunari. /thread.
Nopeclearly you didn't play a berserker
Hawke would like to say "No."long thread for a simple one word answer. wow.
Qunari. /thread.
Nope
My Warden was a human warrior, sword and board Templar. Super tanky, but it was only late game that my damage output got high enough to make solo fights more than a drag. I guess, in retrospect, I did stomp a lot of fights with my party preoccupied with stragglers. Still, never felt the narrative promoted the Warden as a spectacle, like "The Champion of Kirkwall".
Berserker/Champion and you can solo armies (as long as you have enough healing potions)
Hmm, I might do that for my Awakening playthrough then. Gotta make a new Warden for that; I played Witch Hunt with my dead one... awkward.Berserker/Champion and you can solo armies (as long as you have enough healing potions)
Berserker/Champion and you can solo armies (as long as you have enough healing potions)
Armies just meat against a well min/maxed player character.
lol, Hawke is awful. Even Alistair can beat an Arishok. And this one was a companion.
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