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[Lulupab]

They are modeled on feudal knights not roman legions

Their tactics and usefulness are like roman legions however. Feudal knights were usually few and guards of nobility.

[Drasanil]

The Emerald Knights.

 

prrrrr sorry sorry

 

To be fair, the Emerald Knights must have been pretty decent considering the Dales managed to sack Val Royeaux [despite Orlais' Chevaliers] before humanity zerged them into oblivion with an Exalted March.

[SerCambria358]

The key to this discussion is really personal preference. Where I would chose the Ash Warriors for their ferocity, mobility and the hounds, others choose chevalier or Qunari for their legendary training or lifelong dedication to their purpose.

Each force fights differently and is a paragon of their chosen strategies and fighting styles.

To really say who the best is would be impossible. Like SerCambria said, in a fight between any if these groups, it always depends on a number facts; numbers, terrain, prep time, weather, etc.

To put individuals of each group against eachother would require rules in the fashion of Deadliest Warrior and then cramming the data through a few thousand fights to find who comes out in top more often.

Thats why im only basing information on what we know, we know that it has been said that the Chevaliers have the most rigorous training in Thedas, we know that they've fought against more impressive odds. Ash warriors just have not shown much, if any feats to compete and i say that objectively. None of their feats match that of the chevaliers. Most of the ash warriors victories have been done with other larger groups, while the Wardens for example have taken on impossible odds with a hand full of warriors.

 

So again i respect opinions but from what the lore has provided, there just isnt enough evidence at all to suggest that they are superior to everyone in thedas

[Sir DeLoria]

Ugh, a hound wouldn't need to bite through that. Anyone caught wearing that in public should die of embarrassment.

What are you talking about, that's the most fabulous armor in Dragon Age.

Looks almost as good as Dragonslayer Ornstein's armor.

[SerCambria358]

Their tactics and usefulness are like roman legions however. Feudal knights were usually few and guards of nobility.

Not really, France mustered about 10,000 knights at one time, but roman tactics wouldnt work with them

[Frogtoad51]

The Qunari elite definitely. When the Qunari first invaded they fought a united Thedas to a stalemate by themselves...

[Drasanil]

The Qunari elite definitely. When the Qunari first invaded they fought all of Thedas united to a stalemate by themselves.

 

If by 'stalemate' you mean all but pushed back off the mainland continent with the exception of a single fort on a peninsula, then sure. 

[The Baconer]

What are you talking about, that's the most fabulous armor in Dragon Age.

 

It's really not. We're talking "Tevinter nipple robe" levels of corn here.

 

Ornstein would be appalled.

[Mabari-Master]

Another warrior type world be an Antivan Crow. The Crows aren't just assassins in the dark, they are well rounded killers in general. They use mages, trap-master and pirates. And since the Crows are trained from adolesence any warrior trained by them is going to be a major badass.

[Lulupab]

Not really, France mustered about 10,000 knights at one time, but roman tactics wouldnt work with them

10,000 Nobles? lolwut. Knights were mainly chosen from nobility if not then they were not the idea behind Chevaliers.

[Steelcan]

Their tactics and usefulness are like roman legions however. Feudal knights were usually few and guards of nobility.

Beyond calling their organizational units Legions, I see little similarity.

 

Chevaliers are the cream of Orlais's troops, not its mainline, hell based on what I'm hearing about their training they sound more like Spartans

[MisterJB]

With heavy armor like that their tactics and strategy is very limited.

No, because not only do they train so the armor weighs nearly nothing (they fight for hours and them climb walls with the damn things one, those who fall are expelled), they also train to fight without armor against Antivan Crows and Duelists.

 

 

As far as we know Orlais even lost to Dales and was able to fight back with help of exalted marches.

World of Thedas confirmed only Orlais participated in that Exalted March so, at most they received aid from mages and Templars.

 

a full legion of Chevaliers was defeated at river dane.

True, through tactics and numbers. And the simple fact it was cemented in the annals of Thedas as one of the greatest military achievements of all time prove how nearly impossible to defeat the Chevaliers are.
But, individually, no other order has such a rigorous training.

[Sir DeLoria]

It's really not. We're talking "Tevinter nipple robe" levels of corn here.

Ornstein would be appalled.

True, the design is too round and colorful. Not nearly close to the gleaming gothic epicness of Ornstein's armor.

I do like the mask though.

[AresKeith]

Beyond calling their organizational units Legions, I see little similarity.

 

Chevaliers are the cream of Orlais's troops, not its mainline, hell based on what I'm hearing about their training they sound more like Spartans

 

They seem like a combination of all 3

[Steelcan]

To be fair, the Emerald Knights must have been pretty decent considering the Dales managed to sack Val Royeaux [despite Orlais' Chevaliers] before humanity zerged them into oblivion with an Exalted March.

surprise attacks will do that.

 

It reminds me somehwat of the Japanese just after Pearl harbor, "A wild show for six months" but once Orlais (Orlais was the sole supplier of troops) managed to get together it was over

[MisterJB]

To be fair, the Emerald Knights must have been pretty decent considering the Dales managed to sack Val Royeaux [despite Orlais' Chevaliers] before humanity zerged them into oblivion with an Exalted March.

World of Thedas has since confirmed that Orlais was the only nation that provided troops for that Marche. So, at most, they were reinforced by mages and Templars.

Also, Orlais had just spent 90 years fighting a Blight; travelling as far as the Anderfels.

[AresKeith]

True, the design is too round and colorful. Not nearly close to the gleaming gothic epicness of Ornstein's armor.

I do like the mask though.

 

Ornstein was awesome 

[SerCambria358]

10,000 Nobles? lolwut. Knights were mainly chosen from nobility if not then they were not the idea behind Chevaliers.

Yes at the battle of Agincourt i believe, the English killed so many knights that the French nobility was deeply scarred 

[TheEternalStudent]

No, because not only do they train so the armor weighs nearly nothing (they fight for hours and them climb walls with the damn things one, those who fall are expelled), they also train to fight without armor against Antivan Crows and Duelists.

 

 

World of Thedas confirmed only Orlais participated in that Exalted March so, at most they received aid from mages and Templars.

 

True, through tactics and numbers. And the simple fact it was cemented in the annals of Thedas as one of the greatest military achievements of all time prove how nearly impossible to defeat the Chevaliers are.
But, individually, no other order has such a rigorous training.

The Crows might be able to give the chevaliers a run for their money in training, but they aren't much for military, but the chevaliers are pretty bollocks at stealth in their plate

[Drasanil]

surprise attacks will do that.

 

It reminds me somehwat of the Japanese just after Pearl harbor, "A wild show for six months" but once Orlais (Orlais was predominatly the supplier of troops) managed to get together it was over

 

Surprise attacks will do that, but its still fairly hard to mount a surprise/lightning siege. Unless Val Royeaux didn't have walls... in which case that was a bit of a derp on Orlais' part. 

[Frogtoad51]

 

If by stalemate you mean all but pushed back off the mainland continent with exception of a single fort on a peninsula then sure

They still didn't beat them. Sten said it himself that the Qunari will be back one day. When that happens it will probably take another fully united Thedas to have a chance against them because the Qunari are the best warriors. 

[Steelcan]

Yes at the battle of Agincourt i believe, the English killed so many knights that the French nobility was deeply scarred 

Agincourt, a lesson as to why getting outrageously drunk and seeming to not notice that a rainstorm has turned the battlefield into a bog is a really really bad idea

[MisterJB]

They still didn't beat them. Sten said it himself that the Qunari will be back one day. When that happens it will probably take another fully united Thedas to have a chance against them because the Qunari are the best warriors. 

The gunpowder probably helps.

[Steelcan]

Surprise attacks will do that, but its still fairly hard to mount a surprise/lightning siege. Unless Val Royeaux didn't have walls... in which case that was a bit of a derp on Orlais' part. 

Surprise attack initially, then building on that momentum, scattering local resistence and forcing the Orlesians to regroup somewhere too far away for the elves to reach them

[Hellion Rex]

The gunpowder probably helps.

Plus those bigass dreadnoughts.

 

And was gaatlok ever said to be really gunpowder? Or is it just the Thedosian equivalent?