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[Steelcan]

The gunpowder probably helps.

in the wise words of the Rome: Total War centurion advisor

 

"Big rocks have no respect for rank"

[Drasanil]

They still didn't beat them. Sten said it himself that the Qunari will be back one day. 

 

They did, the Qunari aren't currently occupying many countries right now are they? That they might declare another war further down the line after having waited some two centuries is another matter.

[Mabari-Master]

If a squad from the Legion of the Dead fought against a squad from Beresaad who would win? 

[TheEternalStudent]

Plus those bigass dreadnoughts.

 

And was gaatlok ever said to be really gunpowder? Or is it just the Thedosian equivalent?

Roughly equivalent, we've never seen it used so it could be weaker or stronger though.

[Lulupab]

Beyond calling their organizational units Legions, I see little similarity.

Chevaliers are the cream of Orlais's troops, not its mainline, hell based on what I'm hearing about their training they sound more like Spartans

I thought about that too (bold part) and Spartan glory was lost mainly because they clang to their outdated combat system of Hoplites.

Roman Legions were armored and among them were very elite ones, usually chosen from nobility who went through insane training. You guessed right, I mean Praetorians. The real connection to Chevaliers are Praetorians.

No, because not only do they train so the armor weighs nearly nothing (they fight for hours and them climb walls with the damn things one, those who fall are expelled), they also train to fight without armor against Antivan Crows and Duelists.

So they have to remove their armor to fight those individuals which proves my point. Heavy armor offers more protection and also more limitation.

World of Thedas confirmed only Orlais participated in that Exalted March so, at most they received aid from mages and Templars.

I know that but don't you think Mages and Templars are enough to tip the balance?

True, through tactics and numbers. And the simple fact it was cemented in the annals of Thedas as one of the greatest military achievements of all time prove how nearly impossible to defeat the Chevaliers are.

True but it has given reputation to Ferelden knights and Ash Warriors and we haven't seen them in action because that was the last war they participated in.

[Tarvesh]

With enough mass (muscle and armor) the mabari isn't knocking you down.

The same thing could be said for a battering ram. But unfortunately, most warriors have these things called 'legs' which is where all that mass would need to be to stay standing against an attack dog. And warriors depend on their legs for balance. I'm willing to be no warrior in Thedas could walk with the amount of mass it would take to stay standing against a mabari charge. These dogs are massive.

I will grant you that a Qunari bracing against a mabari's charge might... Miiiight... stay up... But if a mabari gets a hold of any warrior's arm or leg, that warrior is going down regardless of mass.

If police dogs can take down perps that are a few times their own body weight, a mabari's not going to have trouble with anything short of maybe Iron Bull.

[Sir DeLoria]

10,000 Nobles? lolwut. Knights were mainly chosen from nobility if not then they were not the idea behind Chevaliers.

Easily, knights weren't a rarerity and it wasn't unusual to see thousands of knights in the field. Knights, including most religious orders (Templars, Hospitalers) were considered the lowest class of nobility. And yeah, the battle of Agincourt saw ~10000 French knights against ~4000 invading English knights and that wasn't all the knights France had to offer either.

[WarriorOfLight999]

I'd say the Grey Wardens. They pick the best of the best!

[Lulupab]

The Qunari elite definitely. When the Qunari first invaded they fought a united Thedas to a stalemate by themselves...

Yet Minrathous is both the oldest city of Thedas and the unconquered city of Thedas. Man, Qunari even the maker himself has failed to bring that city down.

[TheEternalStudent]

The same thing could be said for a battering ram. But unfortunately, most warriors have these things called 'legs' which is where all that mass would need to be to stay standing against an attack dog. And warriors depend on their legs for balance. I'm willing to be no warrior in Thedas could walk with the amount of mass it would take to stay standing against a mabari charge. These dogs are massive.

I will grant you that a Qunari bracing against a mabari's charge might... Miiiight... stay up... But if a mabari gets a hold of any warrior's arm or leg, that warrior is going down regardless of mass.

If police dogs can take down perps that are a few times their own body weight, a mabari's not going to have trouble with anything short of maybe Iron Bull.

Proper armor, and that mabari can't get a grip, and while I can't calculate the momentum required, or the momentum that a mabatri would have, I'm just saying under the right conditions, heavy armor can make the mabari ineffective.

[Lulupab]

Easily, knights weren't a rarerity and it wasn't unusual to see thousands of knights in the field. Knights, including most religious orders (Templars, Hospitalers) were considered the lowest class of nobility. And yeah, the battle of Agincourt saw ~10000 French knights against ~4000 invading English knights and that wasn't all the knights France had to offer either.

What was the actual date of that battle? I'm asking because nobility itself was a rarity from the timeline I have in my mind.

[Steelcan]

I thought about that too (bold part) and Spartan glory was lost mainly because they clang to their outdated combat system of Hoplites.

Roman Legions were armored and among them were very elite ones, usually chosen from nobility who went through insane training. You guessed right, I mean Praetorians. The real connection between Chevaliers are Praetorians.



So they have to remove their armor to fight those individuals which proves my point. Heavy armor offers more protection and also more limitation.

The Chevaliers aren't shown to be outdated at all

 

The Praetorians were a joke not long after they were established, they "fought" nobles and seized their property when an insane emperor rose to power, then usually killed him.  One of the few times they were organized to fend off rival roman legions they simply ran away and deserted their posts.

 

I hate this misconception, well made plate armor barely restricted movement at all, and weighed about as much as a modern day soldier's full combat gear

[SerCambria358]

If a squad from the Legion of the Dead fought against a squad from Beresaad who would win? 

Beresaad no doubt, Legion of the Dead are only used to fighting mindless Darkspawn, the qunari are in an on going war against Tevinter, they have a significant amount of experience fighting skilled opponents. The legion will no doubt be tough and battle hardened though

[Steelcan]

What was the actual date of that battle? I'm asking because nobility itself was a rarity from the timeline I have in my mind.

St Crispin's Day 1415

 

(October 25)

[leaguer of one]

The qunari... Why, because they fought and nearly over came all of thedus at once. The only way southern thedus turned the tide was with the help of mages.

[Frogtoad51]

 

If a squad from the Legion fought against a squad from the Beresaad who would win?

My votes on the Beresaad. I'm sure the size and reach advantage of people over 7ft. tall fighting against people around 4-5 ft. tall would be overwhelming. 

[Sir DeLoria]

What was the actual date of that battle? I'm asking because nobility itself was a rarity from the timeline I have in my mind.

1415, so the height of the Middle Ages.

[Br3admax]

St Crispin's Day 1415

 

(October 25)

 

1415, so the hight of the Middle Ages.

Do these people even Shakespeare? 

[leaguer of one]

Yet Minrathous is both the oldest city of Thedas and the unconquered city of Thedas. Man, Qunari even the maker himself has failed to bring that city down.

But the qunari's attention was split. What would happen if it face the full force of the qun.

[MisterJB]

So they have to remove their armor to fight those individuals which proves my point. Heavy armor offers more protection and also more limitation.

They don't have to, it's in case they need to fight without armor such as being ambushed at a bar like what happened with Ser Michel.

He was attacked at a bar by ten men paid by Gaspard and he killed them all; then he was poisoned and tied by a bard. He broke free and broke the bard's neck with his bare hands.

They prefer to fight in full plat armor but they don't have to.

 

 

I know that but don't you think Mages and Templars are enough to tip the balance?

That depends entirely on numbers. We have no idea of the size of the armies involved.

[Sir DeLoria]

Do these people even Shakespeare?

Course

[leaguer of one]

I'd say the Grey Wardens. They pick the best of the best!

They are tough but way too small of the group. The quari would just win by overwhelming them.

[Mabari-Master]

Dragon cultists i.e. Reavers are another type of warrior to be feared. Aside from the fact their nutball fanatics devout to dragons, they are immune to pain and actually feed off of their own pain and the deaths of their enemies. As seen with the cult of Urzara, reavers can do astronomical amounts of damage if left unchecked. The cultists only died off because they all committed suicide when their mistress was killed.

[Lulupab]

The Chevaliers aren't shown to be outdated at all

The Praetorians were a joke not long after they were established, they "fought" nobles and seized their property when an insane emperor rose to power, then usually killed him. One of the few times they were organized to fend off rival roman legions they simply ran away and deserted their posts.

I hate this misconception, well made plate armor barely restricted movement at all, and weighed about as much as a modern day soldier's full combat gear

Orlais really doesn't have anything to say in recent wars it had, it either lost or barely survived. I'd say the country's whole warfare system is outdated, not just the Chevaliers. And we are talking about the nation which used to be the conquer of all southern Thedas. You condemn Romans in a way as if Orlais is any different. Slavery is rampant among nobles and assassinations of nobles is increasing significantly. Every noble is doing everything in its power to gain even more power and bring down the rivals while putting a fake smile and being polite in public as is the culture of Orlais. Orlais is none-mage version of Tevinter and you know this. Each noble probably has his own Chevaliers.

[Lulupab]

St Crispin's Day 1415
 
(October 25)

Its around 400 years later than the timeline I had in my mind but then I admit knights were no longer few in numbers by that time. Initially they were simply guards of nobility and there was not so many of them, that obviously changed with time.