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[Lulupab]

But the qunari's attention was split. What would happen if it face the full force of the qun.

They invaded Tevinter first, then spread to rest of Thedas, they had the time to do it, they either couldn't or didn't want to do it.

[Steelcan]

Orlais really doesn't have anything to say in recent wars it had, it either lost or barely survived. I'd say the country's whole warfare system is outdated, not just the Chevaliers. And we are talking about the nation which used to be the conquer of all southern Thedas. You condemns Romans in a way as if Orlais is any different. Slavery is rampant among nobles and assassinations of nobles is increasing significantly. Every noble is doing everything in its power to gain even more power and bring down the rivals while putting a fake smile and being polite in public as is the culture of Orlais. Orlais is none-mage version of Tevinter and you know this. Each noble probably has his own Chevaliers.

Seeing as how technology in Thedas is relatively stagnant there is no reason to suspect that they have fallen by the wayside.  Furthermore, losing or not wholly winning wars is not evidence.  The much vaunted Ten thousand core of the Spartans saw barely any actual combat in the period leading up to the Peloponnesian war.  And they still fought effectively, it took an entire revolution to the entire way battles were fought to topple the hoplite phalanx.

 

As for the rest of your post, I didn't make any moral judgment on Orlais or Rome, I merely commented on the (non-existent) fighting abilities of Praetorians.  Don't move the goal posts

[Tarvesh]

Proper armor, and that mabari can't get a grip, and while I can't calculate the momentum required, or the momentum that a mabatri would have, I'm just saying under the right conditions, heavy armor can make the mabari ineffective.

......No. It can't if a knight can shove another knight to the ground, a mabari will have no trouble. You're thinking heavy armor has no gaps, no hinges and no soft spots.

It doesn't. It has plenty I each. And unfortunately, you still have try and either compensate for 100-150lbs slamming into your chest or legs at about 15-20 mph.

You're not staying up. Even with a charge a mabari or any dog cans still get under your legs, bite at the inside or backs of your limbs and hit your joints.

Unless your arming yourself I. A giant metal box, you won't stay standing for long.

[Jalil]

The Grey Wardens do not have anything on the Legion of the Dead

[MisterJB]

Templars are very dangerous too.
Anyone whose job description is "Kill Pride Demon" is not to be understimated.

[leaguer of one]

They invaded Tevinter first, then spread to rest of Thedas, they had the time to do it, they either couldn't or didn't want to do it.

The fact that they later focus to the rest to Thedus is not counted?

[Br3admax]

The Grey Wardens do not have anything on the Legion of the Dead

Is that why the Legion gives them unquestionable respect? 

[leaguer of one]

The Grey Wardens do not have anything on the Legion of the Dead

Wow, It not like they were not wiped out by awaken dark spawn or any thing?(Ooops, they were.)

[SerCambria358]

......No. It can't if a knight can shove another knight to the ground, a mabari will have no trouble. You're thinking heavy armor has no gaps, no hinges and no soft spots.

It doesn't. It has plenty I each. And unfortunately, you still have try and either compensate for 100-150lbs slamming into your chest or legs at about 15-20 mph.

You're not staying up. Even with a charge a mabari or any dog cans still get under your legs, bite at the inside or backs of your limbs and hit your joints.

Unless your arming yourself I. A giant metal box, you won't stay standing for long.

You're completely dismissing the fact that they can be killed instantly, they have no armor was so ever, a dog charging at you in a rage will not barely notice a sword thrust or the swing of a greatsword or an arrow for that matter. Theres a reason dogs werent used often in way, they're too fragile when pointy objects are involved. An elite knight with more than enough experience using a pointy piece of metal will make very short work of a dog with nothing to protect it but tattoos 

[leaguer of one]

Templars are very dangerous too.
Anyone whose job description is "Kill Pride Demon" is not to be understimated.

*Looks at circle tower quest in DAO.

 

You sure?

[Br3admax]

Wow, It not like they were not wiped out by awaken dark spawn or any thing?(Ooops, they were.)

I mean so were the Wardens, except for the ones lead by the PC. They don't count. 

[Br3admax]

*Looks at circle tower quest in DAO.

 

You sure?

He said kill Pride Demon. Not kill demon horde. 

[leaguer of one]

You're completely dismissing the fact that they can be killed instantly, they have no armor was so ever, a dog charging at you in a rage will not barely notice a sword thrust or the swing of a greatsword or an arrow for that matter. Theres a reason dogs werent used often in way, they're too fragile when pointy objects are involved

Which is why arrows were shot at the enemies first.

[leaguer of one]

I mean so were the Wardens, except for the ones lead by the PC. They don't count. 

At first, then they turn the tide. Added, the warden have an excuse, the fort they were in had an underground tunnel to the deep roads. Then in the end the wardens won.

[Lulupab]

Templars are very dangerous too.
Anyone whose job description is "Kill Pride Demon" is not to be understimated.

They do deserve some credit here but even they admit they are nothing special against none-mages so I doubt we should even consider them here because its mainly physical prowess competition here. Besides only a few pride demons has been killed successfully in Thedas. And half of them have been killed by PC

The fact that they later focus to the rest to Thedus is not counted?

Maybe they decide to let Minrathous be as its not worth the time and resources to lay siege to a city that defeated the biggest uprising in history of Thedas when the Tevinter was at its weakest. Its actually quite smart thing to do. Tevinter will turtle there so they can focus on rest of Thedas.

[leaguer of one]

He said kill Pride Demon. Not kill demon horde. 

It started with one pride demon abomination. Why did they not stop it from the start?

[Mabari-Master]

Here's another match-up. Who do you think would win, a cult of Reavers vs a band of Ash Warriors, the Kirkwall Guard vs Maric's Shield, and the Order of the Chevaliers vs the Templar Order.

[SerCambria358]

Which is why arrows were shot at the enemies first.

Which is why shields and armor were invented 

[leaguer of one]

Maybe they decide to let Minrathous be as its not worth the time and resources to lay siege to a city that defeated the biggest uprising in history of Thedas when the Tevinter was at its weakest. Its actually quite smart thing to do. Tevinter will turtle there so they can focus on rest of Thedas.

True. Sieges are endure matches. Teventer was nearly bankrupted by the war.

[TheEternalStudent]

......No. It can't if a knight can shove another knight to the ground, a mabari will have no trouble. You're thinking heavy armor has no gaps, no hinges and no soft spots.

It doesn't. It has plenty I each. And unfortunately, you still have try and either compensate for 100-150lbs slamming into your chest or legs at about 15-20 mph.

You're not staying up. Even with a charge a mabari or any dog cans still get under your legs, bite at the inside or backs of your limbs and hit your joints.

Unless your arming yourself I. A giant metal box, you won't stay standing for long.

The force a charging mabari applies would greatly exceed that one human in heavy armor could apply to another, but large enough armor would mean the Mabari's jaws couldn't grip, and if you know what's about to happen you could remain standing, and since the mabari doesn't have any armor it's not getting to many retries.

[leaguer of one]

Which is why shields and armor were invented 

Sure, I get that. But dogs are meant to be used as a combo with fighters.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

-Chevaliars

-Oghren in his youth was called one of the best fighters of his generation in Orzammar

-Loghain in his youth was the best fighter in all of Ferelden as shown in The Stolen Throne

[leaguer of one]

The force a charging mabari applies would greatly exceed that one human in heavy armor could apply to another, but large enough armor would mean the Mabari's jaws couldn't grip, and if you know what's about to happen you could remain standing, and since the mabari doesn't have any armor it's not getting to many retries.

That would be with plat armor, mesh would be different.

[Mistic]

Orlais really doesn't have anything to say in recent wars it had, it either lost or barely survived. I'd say the country's whole warfare system is outdated, not just the Chevaliers. And we are talking about the nation which used to be the conquer of all southern Thedas. You condemn Romans in a way as if Orlais is any different. Slavery is rampant among nobles and assassinations of nobles is increasing significantly. Every noble is doing everything in its power to gain even more power and bring down the rivals while putting a fake smile and being polite in public as is the culture of Orlais. Orlais is none-mage version of Tevinter and you know this. Each noble probably has his own Chevaliers.

 

Yet The Masked Empire shows that the best of the best the Aacademy can provide in terms if chevaliers is unstoppable. They not only train for years, they also learn other warriors' skills, including Grey Wardens and Templars, just in case they have to face darkspawn or mages too.

 

Wow, It not like they were not wiped out by awaken dark spawn or any thing?(Ooops, they were.)

 

Well, it's not like the Legion of the Dead never lost their base of operations while the Weisshaupt has naver fallen... Oooops

[Frogtoad51]

 

Templars are very dangerous too. Anyone whose job description is "Kill pride Demon" is not to be underestimated

I think templars spend most of their time fighting weak and helpless mages. I don't think templars are very effective against demons. In Origins I read a codex entry about a whole squad of templars being killed by a single abomination and that templar in the alienage orphanage got wrecked by that rage demon! Also demons were able to posess or enthrall lots of templars in Ferelden's circle of Magi and in Kirkwall.