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[lordsaren101]

Compromise at this point is futile. The Chantry and their now wayward templars have made that very clear. 

[Br3admax]

It is compromise, Xil. You get to live.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Blood magic yes, normal magic not so much. Yeah magic can be a problem, but that's the world of Thedas this is not our world, the fade will always be there and so will the demons and such that's not going to go away or disappear, so you need magic to help deal with situations that requires magic, sometimes a mage becomes an abomination or power hungry, but over all it's a pretty low number, but that's the price Thedas have to pay in order to have the means live in the world they live in.

 

You can't "kill" a fade tear just by swinging your sword at it, so Finn would have to enchant your weapons in order for us to close them and yes, but magic still fixed the problem which was caused by rebellion which in turn was caused by a made king who killed a lot more people then most mages do.

 

A lot blood magic is required for getting physical into the veil is very hard even more so if the veil is strong, even the Ing was the only one who survived among thousands dead so do the math, magisters used a lot of slaves and magic to get into the Veil which is more then what most mages have access to. You are talking about Uldred, no he didn't try to destroy the world, he wanted to free the circle in Fereldren which tried one way through deception when that didn't work he and his follows made a surprise attack catching everyone off guard and it backfired and made him into an abomination (which means he was Uldred no more) and it was the pride demon who made the army and wanting to conquer the world and rule.

 

Magic can cause problems so can a lot things in Thedas, but that's the world of Thedas not ours there is no universal ideal solution to deal situation to deal with even if mages was never born in Thedas, magical problems would still happened one way or the other.

Blood magic is only school of magic and normal mages can cause disasters as well as i said mages can't fix veil only inq as we know can do that only mage that did that was avernus and i said why it was special case.

 

Situations that require magic in 99 % are caused by mages so they clean own mess as far we never saw situation that wasn't caused by mages that would require mage.Haha i love like you do everything to put blame on everyone but mage trying put that tear in veil was caused by rebellion not avernus (mage) who destroyed veil by using his magic... And again it is said to impossible or almost to fix veil and plase finn who says that he never saw something like that would know how to fix that? Not mention that if that was such easy veil in kirkwall would be fixed by circle on ease simple most likly devs screwd up.

 

And yet it seems that mages did it second time now and as i said all you need is blood magic not mention that there is 10000 other ways for mage to cause disaster i mentioned 1 that would lead to world destruction and it wasn't talking about uldred only qunari mage but yes uldred was another example of mage causing disaster because of ambition.But again i see you play in excuses read my comment on before what excuses mean...

 

And again you play in compare kitchen knife to nuclear bomb because both are weapon that can kill ignoring scale of problem and focusing that problem is equal to every other problem.And as i said not rly safe for occasional rare problems with demons (that could be dealt with thanks to templars) there wouldn't be any magical problems.

[MisterJB]

but what do we do with her afterwards, tranquil, hand her over to the Qunari, introduce her to Ramsay Snow, decisions....

Make her Tranquil, then restore her so she knows what it feels like it, then make her Tranquil again.

[raging_monkey]

Compromise at this point is futile. The Chantry and their now wayward templars have made that very clear.

some are loyal to the divine so more "extremly difficult" rather than futile

[mousestalker]

The Chantry is evil because they wear evil robes. They wear evil shoes. They have evil hats. They even wear evil pajamas when they go off to sleep under their evil blankets in their evil beds. They even eat with evil tablewear on evil plates. The evidence of their evilness is both pervasive and irrefutable.

[MisterJB]

Well, I hope you don't have such an opportunity, as it'd be a pain to write around later.

Wasn't it David Gaider who said "Those whose enjoyment of my games are dependant on excluding others from also enjoying the game are those I have no wish to write for"? Or something to the effect, anyway.

[lordsaren101]

Peace is a lie...wait wrong game

[Xilizhra]

Wasn't it David Gaider who said "Those whose enjoyment of my games are dependant on excluding others from also enjoying the game are those I have no wish to write for"? Or something to the effect, anyway.

Pot/kettle, really, unless you'd be totally fine with a plot event giving the Dalish a new and independent homeland that could actually be written into having significant consequences for later games. Ditto with the liberation of the Circle. The problem is that save import issues can render many issues relatively meaningless, something that I've always found greatly annoying.

[Br3admax]

The Dales would never survive as a country, so all the power to you.

[MisterJB]

Pot/kettle, really, unless you'd be totally fine with a plot event giving the Dalish a new and independent homeland that could actually be written into having significant consequences for later games. Ditto with the liberation of the Circle. The problem is that save import issues can render many issues relatively meaningless, something that I've always found greatly annoying.

Sure, why not?

So long as it is optional, I don't care what other people do in their games.

 

I also don't like if past decisions are rendered meaningless but not to the point where I wish that only what I want to happen does.

[raging_monkey]

The Chantry is evil because they wear evil robes. They wear evil shoes. They have evil hats. They even wear evil pajamas when they go off to sleep under their evil blankets in their evil beds. They even eat with evil tablewear on evil plates. The evidence of their evilness is both pervasive and irrefutable.

the fiends!!!

[TheJediSaint]

People saying a choices is a bad idea does not mean they think the choices shouldn't exist.

[Xilizhra]

Sure, why not?

So long as it is optional, I don't care what other people do in their games.

 

I also don't like if past decisions are rendered meaningless but not to the point where I wish that only what I want to happen does.

Forgive me, I forgot to include "mandatory" there. Which would be necessary for the importing to work properly.

[Keroko]

I can be reasonably certain that a normal human being isn't going to suddenly turn into a murderous maniac that will burn an entire region to the ground. Given the relatively small population of mages, the amount of Abominations is staggeringly high, meaning there is a very real and very present threat that ANY mage could succumb.

Given Rivain's lack of trouble in this regard, it seems more likely the high amount of abominations is because of the oppressive Circle system, rather than despite it.

A demon can only poses a mage if the demon manages to coerce the mage in question. For a mage to willingly give itself to a demon, he would have to lose all hope and believe that the demon is the only way out. This is far more likely in a system that forces you into an isolated society with a constant threat of death hanging over you than one that lets you be free.

Yet for whatever reason, the Templars let the mages travel unsupervised... Repeatedly... Finn, Wynne and Innes are all examples of mages being allowed to travel unsupervised by Templars. The funny thing is, that all these mages are examples of mages that follow the rules, and are willing to play ball. Seems to me that the ones who actually behave themselves, and act rationally are trusted by the Chantry and Templars, so as to actually, more or less, do as they please. As long as they don't break any rules.
Greagoir himself also says that the Templars do not rule. Instead they advise and supervise. That means, the Templars are there to enforce the rules the Circle and the Chantry set when the Circle were created.

At least two of those examples went on to journey with the Grey Wardens, which are sort of an exception to a good many rules. If the templars were really that loose in letting people go as long as you smile and nod, there wouldn't be nearly as much discontent as there was. It certainly wouldn't have led to a full-blown war.

Of course it is how society works but it also justifies how they fell.

So if you agree that rising up against oppression was okay for those suffering under Tevinter, what's so different about those suffering under the Chantry taking up arms?
 

Again not rly please peoples stop think so simplistic way there is scale of danger and peoples response differently depending on how dangerous something is humans are accepted by human society because most peoples is pretty much equaly dangerous and humans can deal with it and human society is made by humans so what would be point... but cat isn't treated in same way as tiger despite both are animals , and both can be dangerous but at a different level.

And a noble can cause wars far worse than any single mage can. Should we lock up all nobles as well?
 

Yes but they cause disasters i doubt that you would be fine if i went to your home with machine gun just because i didn't caused apocalypse same for police.Not to mention that there was chantry.

No, but I wouldn't lock you up just because you might walk into my home with a machine gun either.
 

As i said it happens because templars and chantry fail to do their job.
 
There is no system preventing from someone going "evil" unless you have control over person or you destroyed every person under that system... not mention that morality it that matter is irrelevant.Only way to prevent mages from causing disaster is obtaining complete control over them or destroy them...

Which still doesn't change that the Rivain's system was far more efficient at preventing mages going evil or full-blown demon than the Chantry's. The Chantry claims the Circle system's oppressive nature towards mages is necessary to prevent mages going evil, but so far Rivain has shown that to be not true.

Again, Rivain: No known evil mage or abomination problems.

Chantry: 19 to 20 annulments, rebellious fragments in almost every Circle, apostates fleeing imprisonment everywhere, mothers hiding children because they know they will never see them again.

[Mr.House]

Pot/kettle, really, unless you'd be totally fine with a plot event giving the Dalish a new and independent homeland that could actually be written into having significant consequences for later games. Ditto with the liberation of the Circle. The problem is that save import issues can render many issues relatively meaningless, something that I've always found greatly annoying.

I'm fine with giving city elves a homeland, not the dalish. I would lock the dalish out of the new elf nation.

[Mr.House]

At least two of those examples went on to journey with the Grey Wardens, which are sort of an exception to a good many rules. If the templars were really that loose in letting people go as long as you smile and nod, there wouldn't be nearly as much discontent as there was. It certainly wouldn't have led to a full-blown war.

 

Wynne was not in the company oft he warden after DAO and Asunder and she had ALOT of freedom for a circle mage. Mages who behave and show that are rewarded.

[HiroVoid]

Given Rivain's lack of trouble in this regard, it seems more likely the high amount of abominations is because of the oppressive Circle system, rather than despite it.

A demon can only poses a mage if the demon manages to coerce the mage in question. For a mage to willingly give itself to a demon, he would have to lose all hope and believe that the demon is the only way out. This is far more likely in a system that forces you into an isolated society with a constant threat of death hanging over you than one that lets you be free.


At least two of those examples went on to journey with the Grey Wardens, which are sort of an exception to a good many rules. If the templars were really that loose in letting people go as long as you smile and nod, there wouldn't be nearly as much discontent as there was. It certainly wouldn't have led to a full-blown war.


So if you agree that rising up against oppression was okay for those suffering under Tevinter, what's so different about those suffering under the Chantry taking up arms?
 

And a noble can cause wars far worse than any single mage can. Should we lock up all nobles as well?
 

No, but I wouldn't lock you up just because you might walk into my home with a machine gun either.
 

Which still doesn't change that the Rivain's system was far more efficient at preventing mages going evil or full-blown demon than the Chantry's. The Chantry claims the Circle system's oppressive nature towards mages is necessary to prevent mages going evil, but so far Rivain has shown that to be not true.

Again, Rivain: No known evil mage or abomination problems.

Chantry: 19 to 20 annulments, rebellious fragments in almost every Circle, apostates fleeing imprisonment everywhere, mothers hiding children because they know they will never see them again.

Its been confirmed that Rivain has abomination problems.  Its simply likened to natural disasters like hurricanes and such.

[raging_monkey]

I'm fine with giving city elves a homeland, not the dalish. I would lock the dalish out of the new elf nation.

confused both are elves why segregate?

[Br3admax]

Forgive me, I forgot to include "mandatory" there. Which would be necessary for the importing to work properly.

Except he's talking about choices, not mandatory actions. 

[Mr.House]

confused both are elves why segregate?

Because dalish don't deserve a nation after all the crap they have pulled and how they treat city elves, the ones who go through much more.

[Xilizhra]

Except he's talking about choices, not mandatory actions. 

And the fact that it is a choice makes it virtually impossible for me to get the experience that I want.

[Mr.House]

And the fact that it is a choice makes it virtually impossible for me to get the experience that I want.

Then go make a video game that allows that to happen no matte what.

[Br3admax]

Would the same then not apply to those of JB? As that's what we were originally talking about.

No, because he doesn't want his choices to be mandatory, where as you think every choice that disagrees with yours is the unforgivable sin. 

[Mr.House]

Oh my I broke the Ops rule? So did about 10 other posters. You'll get over it.

Tell me how my post was ignorant. It's human nature to be rewarded when you behave or do something good. All you did was bash me for no reason which makes you look like a troll.