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[jtav]

I checked conversations with seb in act 2 and 3 i couldn't find it can you say in what act/moment that was and if you were rival or friend with him?It is not that im saying that you are wrong becuase im not sure now just trying to check it.

Do MotA with him in Act 2.

[Br3admax]

Pretty sure Champion of Kirkwall is a noble title, or close enough, so yeah not Act III. 

[HiroVoid]

That was only in Act III, the only thing that suggest Hawke is remotely noble beforehand is that nobles were interested in marrying their children to them, and that was only because Leandra actually became an Amell again. I'm thinking that she wanted to eventually convince Hawke to as well. We don't get a choice in the matter, however. 

It would've been awkward for everyone to start calling him/her Amell.

[HiroVoid]

Pretty sure Champion of Kirkwall is a noble title, or close enough, so yeah not Act III. 

It'd certanly get you invited to parties.

[Br3admax]

Two last names. 

[Mr.House]

There seems to be some confusion here. While Hawke is Leandra's kid, Hawke is NOT recognized as an Amell nor did Hawke ever take the name(which probably disappointed her) Because she did not take the name, she was not a noble like her mother, she was simply a rich women. However by becoming champion at the end of act 2, Hawke became a noble as she was now recognized as a Hawke, not the daughter of an Amell. Seb backs this up and the big difference of why Hawke gets her invitation in MoA also supports it. It's the same reason why Bethany and Carver are also not nobles, nor will they ever be as no matter what happens to them, any claims are gone(Amell or Hawke side)

 

Nobility and claims are not as simple as people think.

[MisterJB]

And it's not working. The harder the Chantry squeezed mages to 'protect the mundanes' the harder mages fought back. Because shock and awe: Mages are still people, and people don't like to be punished for crimes they never committed.

I contest the notion they are being punished.

Their freedoms are being restricted but the same applies to every other person in any society. The legal system exists precisely for that; to restrict the freedoms of citizens so we can coexist. It's why there are laws telling us what we can and can't do/own.

These apply at birth regardless of our actions because we all have the potential to bring harm upon others. And that is the exact same thing that happens to mages.

Their restrictions are simply harsher because they are much more dangerous than normal people.

 

I also contest you claim that the system is not working. A perfect example is "Broken Circle". The mages revolted and the worst case scenario ocurred with a Pride Abomination summoning an army of demons and creating Abominations with them.

How many civillians died? Zero. Because all of this happened in an isolated area with Templars preventing the demons from leaving. How many would have died had it happened in Denerim?

Would there still be a Denerim?

That non-magical societies still exist is a statement that the Circle works. One rebellion in a thousand years is a very good record.

 

Amusingly, Connor is an example of the flaws in the Circle system. The Circle as it is, by Chantry laws, allows next to no contact with family. What the Chantry was asking of Connor's family was to abandon their child, barely ever seeing him again.

Very few mothers would be happy with this.

More than a few would fight it.

Connor's mother did. She did what most mothers would do and protected her child from an organization that would take him away from her. Yes, it was a mistake on her part. But the root cause is the fact that the Chantry doesn't allow mages to maintain contact with their families.

It is unclear the rules regarditing visits. This is medieval times, of course, and few people can afford travel.

However, Gamlen, who doesn't have a sovereign to his name, is the one who tells Bethany Leandra has been murdered (by a mage, I might add).

Therefore, I find it hard to believe an Arlessa would have been impeded from seeing her son. If anything, it's an example of how overbearing Isolde is and how people fail to understand just how ridiculously dangerous mages are.

A eight year old boy destroyed a town!

 

You're accusing mages of 'gobbling up every inch of power in society they can' but this accusation can just as easily be levelled at nobles or merchants. Yet the Chantry does nothing about these.

The Chantry set itself up to prevent the distinct group that are mages from dominating the other distinct group that are Normals.

Within this second group, inevitably, some will take the reins of power but that is not their business. They make sure that "magic serves man and never rules over him" as ocurrs in every non-Andrastean society.

 

At what age does a mage get the 'trustworthy, may travel without supervision' stamp?

If Finn is any indication, quite young.

Bethany could also leave to attend a party and she had been in the Circle for three years tops.

 

And yet not enough for the people to clamour for mages to be locked up. Much less mass-murder them. Huh. Now I'm really interested in Rivain culture, got a source with that tidbit of info?

And in Ferelden or Starkhaven, something much less attrocious would result in a mob. Different culture, it doesn't mean the problems doesn't exist, it means people react differently to them.

As has been said, Rivains are taught Abominations and such are "accidents of nature" and thus, logically, there is no reason to be angry at them any more than one gets angry to an earthquake. This results in a population more willing to be abused.

Probably a result of having mages ruling over them and teaching this to them so they don't take responsability for their actions.

 

Abominations are the results of conscious actions taken by sentient creatures, both human and demonic. Not acts of nature.

[Mr.House]

Leandra and Gamlen both visit Bethany, Eamon visits Connor ect

 

So ya, parents can visit their kids as we have in-game examples. If a parent does not visit their kid at the circle it can be for many reasons, not because they are not allowed(which we know is false)

[AlexiaRevan]

So they visit them in a Prison..for no crime done . YAY! It just Awessssssssome . 

[raging_monkey]

So they visit them in a Prison..for no crime done . YAY! It just Awessssssssome .

circles arent prisons they are santuraries that differ pending region

[TheKomandorShepard]

So they visit them in a Prison..for no crime done . YAY! It just Awessssssssome . 

Well a lot peoples would love to live in such prison especially in thedas so well...

[Steelcan]

So they visit them in a Prison..for no crime done . YAY! It just Awessssssssome . 

its not a prison

[TheKomandorShepard]

its not a prison

Well actually it can be seen as prison as even dg said while circles aren't slavery they are at worst prison.

[AlexiaRevan]

It is a Prison . If it werent , everyone would be happy . But not everyone is Happy . So it is a prison . You can call it watever you want...but it is a prison . It purpose is one of a prison . Since those taught within dont go home at the end of the day , so it isnt a school . 

It also not a work place , since none is getting paid to stay there or have any work to do . 

 

So it is a prison . 

[Mr.House]

It is a Prison . If it werent , everyone would be happy . But not everyone is Happy . So it is a prison . You can call it watever you want...but it is a prison . It purpose is one of a prison . Since those taught within dont go home at the end of the day , so it isnt a school . 

It also not a work place , since none is getting paid to stay there or have any work to do . 

 

So it is a prison . 

Ok first not "everyone" is unhappy, so knock it off with that noise.

[TheEternalStudent]

It is a Prison . If it werent , everyone would be happy . But not everyone is Happy . So it is a prison . You can call it watever you want...but it is a prison . It purpose is one of a prison . Since those taught within dont go home at the end of the day , so it isnt a school . 

It also not a work place , since none is getting paid to stay there or have any work to do . 

 

So it is a prison . 

...Boarding School.
Not that I think the Circle's cool, just, your argument needs work.

[Steelcan]

It is a Prison . If it werent , everyone would be happy . But not everyone is Happy . So it is a prison . You can call it watever you want...but it is a prison . It purpose is one of a prison . Since those taught within dont go home at the end of the day , so it isnt a school . 

It also not a work place , since none is getting paid to stay there or have any work to do . 

 

So it is a prison . 

its a school because the residents are instructed in how to master their powers, they are not being punished for wrongdoing, they are being isolated for both their own safety and that of mundanes

[TK514]

It is a Prison . If it werent , everyone would be happy . But not everyone is Happy . So it is a prison . You can call it watever you want...but it is a prison . It purpose is one of a prison . Since those taught within dont go home at the end of the day , so it isnt a school . 

It also not a work place , since none is getting paid to stay there or have any work to do . 

 

So it is a prison . 

It's not a prison, it's a quarantine facility.  Those within are taught to manage their condition while keeping them apart from the rest of society for everyone's safety.

[AlexiaRevan]

I wouldn't knock squat.....who do you think you are ? what you don't like that it is a PRISON? And EVERYONE is the Mages of Thedas...unless you tought about another everyone....

[Steelcan]

Ok first not "everyone" is unhappy, so knock it off with that noise.

Wynne would have been lynched if the templars hadn't brought her to the Circle

[Mr.House]

I wouldn't knock squat.....who do you think you are ? what you don't like that it is a PRISON? And EVERYONE is the Mages of Thedas...unless you tought about another everyone....

What the....

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wynne would have been lynched if the templars hadn't brought her to the Circle

Good 1 abomnation that brought down order less.

[pengwin21]

The Connor situation is actually a good representation of how dangerous abominations are. Unfortunately for gameplay reasons, the Warden/Hawke mows down other abominations like they're a street gang, so the true impact of abominations (as read in the lore) gets a bit lost.

[Steelcan]

The Connor situation is actually a good representation of how dangerous abominations are. Unfortunately for gameplay reasons, the Warden/Hawke mows down other abominations like they're a street gang, so the true impact of abominations (as read in the lore) gets a bit lost.

not to mention how leaving an abomination alone while you go to the Circle has no negative impact.  You should have returned to blood streaked hallways spelling out "Gorram it Warden, you had one job"

[Br3admax]

If the mages weren't in Circles, there's a good chance the common man would murder most of them. All mages aren't really that powerful on their own.