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[MisterJB]

Oh no, they're forced to live in Emperor Drakon's former Palace where they are given an education above the great majority of Thedosians and are fed without having to do any hard labor.
THE HORROR! THE OPRESSION!

[TheKomandorShepard]

If the mages weren't in Circles, there's a good chance the common man would murder most of them. All mages aren't really that powerful on their own. 

At least folks would do job for me and i wouldn't have to deal with crap that mages cause damn you chantry!

 

 

Oh no, they're forced to live in Emperor Drakon's former Palace where they are given an education above the great majority of Thedosians and are fed without having to do any hard labor.
THE HORROR! THE OPRESSION!

You should be careful because mods can ban you for such drastic examples human cruelty.

[TheEternalStudent]

If the mages weren't in Circles, there's a good chance the common man would murder most of them. All mages aren't really that powerful on their own. 

This is why I don't object to the Templars if they protect mages as much as they do non-mages. It's when they forget/neglect this duty that I object to, coupled with the fact there doesn't seem to be very effective oversight.

[Br3admax]

At least folks would do job for me and i wouldn't have to deal with crap that mages cause damn you chantry!

Leave it to you to think killing innocent people, including children, is somehow a solution to bigotry. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leave it to you to think killing innocent people, including children, is somehow a solution to bigotry. 

Well i don't know if that would be solution on that problem but it definitely would be solution on most problem i had to face in games.

[Br3admax]

Mages don't cause most of the problems in game. Idiots do. And you don't need to be magical to be an idiot. 

[raging_monkey]

Lets keep the solutions ethical guys lol

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages don't cause most of the problems in game. Idiots do. And you don't need to be magical to be an idiot. 

Well take your pick but in dao 3 of 4 main quest were caused by mages as well point of entire game was stop blight mages creation and i don't want even point da 2. 

 

 

 

Lets keep the solutions ethical guys lol

 

I prefer effective what ethics do for me?

[Inprea]

Oh no, they're forced to live in Emperor Drakon's former Palace where they are given an education above the great majority of Thedosians and are fed without having to do any hard labor.
THE HORROR! THE OPRESSION!

 

You forget the part where the children of mages are taken from them never to be seen again and the mage has no influence in their upbringing. They're watched constantly and thus you must always be weary of your behavior creating suspicion. Fancy food in a gilded cage isn't worth it to me. Then there is the risk that you'll have to endure years of decades of abuse at the hands of a corrupted templar if you manage to survive.

 

You're not even free to answer your King's call if the templars disagree. As we saw when Gregor blocked Irving from sending additional mages.

[Mr.House]

You forget the part where the children of mages are taken from them never to be seen again and the mage has no influence in their upbringing. They're watched constantly and thus you must always be weary of your behavior creating suspicion. Fancy food in a gilded cage isn't worth it to me. Then there is the risk that you'll have to endure years of decades of abuse at the hands of a corrupted templar if you manage to survive.

 

You're not even free to answer your King's call if the templars disagree. As we saw when Gregor blocked Irving from sending additional mages.

Gregor didn't block anything, he was against it but Irving still made the last call

[TheKomandorShepard]

You forget the part where the children of mages are taken from them never to be seen again and the mage has no influence in their upbringing. They're watched constantly and thus you must always be weary of your behavior creating suspicion. Fancy food in a gilded cage isn't worth it to me. Then there is the risk that you'll have to endure years of decades of abuse at the hands of a corrupted templar if you manage to survive.

 

You're not even free to answer your King's call if the templars disagree. As we saw when Gregor blocked Irving from sending additional mages.

So what? There are orphans in our world as well they still live.

 

I will still have to see that abuse pretty much all we had to were 2 examples in kirkwall circle that was pointed as most corrupted circle.

 

That is one of sane things they did as i need more abomnations to fight not mention how it went with uldred last time...

[Ieldra]

Oh no, they're forced to live in Emperor Drakon's former Palace where they are given an education above the great majority of Thedosians and are fed without having to do any hard labor.
THE HORROR! THE OPRESSION!

I'm sure quite a few mages don't mind, but a golden cage is still a cage.

[Br3admax]

Well take your pick but in dao 3 of 4 main quest were caused by mages as well point of entire game was stop blight mages creation and i don't want even point da 2. 

Yeah, again, these are idiots with magical powers. Not mages. Dragon Age ]['s main problems were caused by the protagonist. And Inquisition involves some godlike demon pulling the strings. 

[Inprea]

Gregor didn't block anything, he was against it but Irving still made the last call

 

That's not what I remember from the conversation with Duncan after the event. When you ask him what Irving and Gregor were talking about. Gregor was blocking Irving despite there being a Grey Warden involved as well.

[Steelcan]

You forget the part where the children of mages are taken from them never to be seen again and the mage has no influence in their upbringing. They're watched constantly and thus you must always be weary of your behavior creating suspicion. Fancy food in a gilded cage isn't worth it to me. Then there is the risk that you'll have to endure years of decades of abuse at the hands of a corrupted templar if you manage to survive.

 

You're not even free to answer your King's call if the templars disagree. As we saw when Gregor blocked Irving from sending additional mages.

A. Mages can be visited by family members

B. Many times families abandon mage children ala Wynne

C. The abuses are not as rampant as DA2 or Anders would have you believe

[Cainhurst Crow]

If ever there was a clearer example of begging the question, I can't find one.

[Hellion Rex]

C. The abuses are not as rampant as DA2 or Anders would have you believe

I don't necessarily disagree with you on this part, I just think we need a lot more info before making such a claim. Anders sure as hell was working with only first hand knowledge in 2 out of how many circles, 14-15 total?

[Inprea]

A. Mages can be visited by family members

B. Many times families abandon mage children ala Wynne

C. The abuses are not as rampant as DA2 or Anders would have you believe

 

A and B. I said the children of mages are taken from them not mage children being taken from their parents. Wynne's child was taken from her and she didn't see him again until he was an adult despite her status in the circle as a special snow flake. As shown when she speaks with Alistair

 

• Alistair: So you... mentioned you had a son? What happened to him?
• Wynne: I honestly don't know, Alistair. He was... taken from me. Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen. And any child born to a Circle mage belongs to the Chantry.
• Alistair: I... didn't know. I'm sorry.
• Wynne: It's all right. It was a long time ago. A very long time ago.
• Alistair: Couldn't you do something about it?
• Wynne: Do what? I was weak from the birthing process and there were... no, there was nothing I could do.
• Alistair: Do you think about him?
• Wynne: All the time.

C. You have no idea how rampant I believe they are or what I consider too much.

 

As for your claim that family can come visit mage children. I'm going to bring up that the only thing Anders was allow to keep from his mother was a pillow. It seems more that the family of mages can come visit them if they have powerful friend or are themselves influential.

[StrangeStrategy]

Mages don't cause most of the problems in game. Idiots do. And you don't need to be magical to be an idiot. 

 

Well, being a magical idiot only makes things worse. The common "idiot" can't shoot fire from his hands while supposedly unarmed. Mages are far more dangerous than normal people.

[Ieldra]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah, again, these are idiots with magical powers. Not mages. Dragon Age ]['s main problems were caused by the protagonist. And Inquisition involves some godlike demon pulling the strings. 

Those are mages like it or not and yes they ware idiots as well but this is often trait that can be seen in mages.You mean dragon age 2?I don't renember hawke causing problems that mages caused save for grace.  

[HiroVoid]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

What about an ideology you like?

[Hellion Rex]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

Where else to take them though? The Chantry runs the orphanges, iirc. I do think it is a bad idea for a non mage child to be raised in the Circle.

[StrangeStrategy]

A and B. I said the children of mages are taken from them not mage children being taken from their parents. Wynne's child was taken from her and she didn't see him again until he was an adult despite her status in the circle as a special snow flake. As shown when she speaks with Alistair

 

• Alistair: So you... mentioned you had a son? What happened to him?
• Wynne: I honestly don't know, Alistair. He was... taken from me. Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen. And any child born to a Circle mage belongs to the Chantry.
• Alistair: I... didn't know. I'm sorry.
• Wynne: It's all right. It was a long time ago. A very long time ago.
• Alistair: Couldn't you do something about it?
• Wynne: Do what? I was weak from the birthing process and there were... no, there was nothing I could do.
• Alistair: Do you think about him?
• Wynne: All the time.

C. You have no idea how rampant I believe they are or what I consider too much.

 

As for your claim that family can come visit mage children. I'm going to bring up that the only thing Anders was allow to keep from his mother was a pillow. It seems more that the family of mages can come visit them if they have powerful friend or are themselves influential.

 

Finn has a very close relationship to his parents. I doubt Anders very much when he says that... I mean, picture the situation "Hey Templar men, can I bring my cat? No? Just a pillow? Ok" It wasn't so much an allowance as it was the only thing he took with him (or had the chance to take with him as I assume they took him in a rush) --Anders isn't exactly reliable. He says the Circles are cruel and then he talks about how everyone was kissing everyone.

[pengwin21]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

 

Rhys doesn't seem very indoctrinated.