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[Steelcan]

Where else to take them though? The Chantry runs the orphanges, iirc. I do think it is a bad idea for a non mage child to be raised in the Circle.

I imagine they end up in a Chantry education, perhaps training for the clergy or the templars

[TheJediSaint]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

I have a word.  Fiction.

[Br3admax]

Those are mages like it or not and yes they ware idiots as well but this is often trait that can be seen in mages.

Not really. You make hating on mages hard. 

 

 

You mean dragon age 2?I don't renember hawke causing problems that mages caused save for grace.  

Hawke caused literally every problem in the game, if indirectly. 

[Mr.House]

The thing about the children is especially despicable. To think that the Chantry takes my child away to indoctrinate it into an ideology I despise.... I really have no words to describe the level of rage that induces.

Rhys was not indoctrinated at all, in fact he had massive issues with his mother and never supported her view point and when he started too and got close to her, well we know what happen thanks to what that ****** Adrian did.

[Steelcan]

Hawke caused literally every problem in the game, if indirectly. 

"goddamn it Hawke" should go right next to "goddamn it Anders"

[Steelcan]

Rhys was not indoctrinated at all, in fact he had massive issues with his mother and never supported her view point and when he started too and got close to her, well we know what that ****** Adrian did.

I can't decide who I want to make tranquil more, Adrian or Fiona

[Mr.House]

I can't decide who I want to make tranquil more, Adrian or Fiona

I really hope the tranquil choice is for Adrian. Death is not justice for her.

[Inprea]

Finn has a very close relationship to his parents. I doubt Anders very much when he says that... I mean, picture the situation "Hey Templar men, can I bring my cat? No? Just a pillow? Ok" It wasn't so much an allowance as it was the only thing he took with him (or had the chance to take with him as I assume they took him in a rush) --Anders isn't exactly reliable. He says the Circles are cruel and then he talks about how everyone was kissing everyone.

 

It's easy to picture especially considering how the templars behaved towards a young Morrigan and Flemeth and how they ran Anerin through and left him for dead. Then when asked about him they refused to tell her anything. They wouldn't even say if he died swiftly or what he did to deserve ran through.

 

Finn is a noted exception to many of the rules and how much do we know about his family? Given his behavior he might have been born to a wealthy family or lesser nobles.

[Ieldra]

What about an ideology you like?

If it's indoctrination instead of a balanced education - which I don't trust the Chantry to provide - it's just as bad. I've met enough people with similar opinions to mine, yet who express themselves as if it was the revealed truth of a god. That's creepy as hell, I can tell you.

[HiroVoid]

I'm hoping Fiona dies in the opening as a match for the divine (I doubt it though since Gaider said the connection with her and Alistair would be explained.) and Adrian's more connected with the plot since I feel she'd make a more interesting antagonist.

[Br3admax]

If it's indoctrination instead of a balanced education - which I don't trust the Chantry to provide - it's just as bad. I've met enough people with similar opinions to mine, yet who express themselves as if it was the revealed truth of a God. That's creepy as hell, I can tell you.

What is wrong about what the Chantry says, exactly? 

[Hellion Rex]

I can't decide who I want to make tranquil more, Adrian or Fiona

Adrian for Tranquil. Fiona will probably be killed in the blast.

[HiroVoid]

I'm hoping Fiona dies in the opening as a match for the divine (I doubt it though since Gaider said the connection with her and Alistair would be explained.) and Adrian's more connected with the plot since I feel she'd make a more interesting antagonist.

Depending on they're beliefs, they may believe its the revealed truth of a god.  Especially in Thedas where the majority of people in the world are Andrastian.

 

Chances are most normal parents in Thedas would raise them on Andrastian beliefs anyway; just not as fervently on the chantry and more on farming or so.

[Steelcan]

Adrian for Tranquil. Fiona will probably be killed in the blast.

I can hope can't I?

 

And since Ramsay Snow is as yet confined to Westeros

[MisterJB]

I'm sure quite a few mages don't mind, but a golden cage is still a cage.

If you lead a better life in your cage than those outside and if your release implies a worsening of their already poor conditions, you are debating from a very weak position.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I can't decide who I want to make tranquil more, Adrian or Fiona

 

Both is clearly the best option.

 

Though Adrian can be tranquiled, "Cured", and Tranquiled several times over before being given to the Qunari.

[Ieldra]

What is wrong about what the Chantry says, exactly? 

It tries to turn things into flaws which I consider virtues. For instance, the attempt to reach the Golden City. There was evil in the magisters' attempt, yes, but the blood sacrifice is never mentioned in the Chant. For the Chant, this act exemplified the sin of pride, regardless of the methods used. For me, divested of the methods as the Chant does, it exemplifies a virtuous undertaking. I am an opposition to the core of the Chantry's ideology so fundamental that there can be no reconciliation.

 

I would like nothing more than to break the Chantry's hold over the minds of people. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not really. You make hating on mages hard. 

Hawke caused literally every problem in the game, if indirectly. 

Yep they were mages and we had plenty examples of what i have said.Peoples love saying someone hate someone if points negatives i don't hate mages because it would make it personal and they are only obstacles for me.

 

Not rly and you hear that from guy who was told in this form that i hate hawke (as i said peoples love use that card) hawke had many flaws but saying that hawke caused everything is out of place all i need is 1 example tarohne.   

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It tries to turn things into flaws which I consider virtues. For instance, the attempt to reach the Golden City. There was evil in the magisters' attempt, yes, but the blood sacrifice is never mentioned in the Chant. For the Chant, this act exemplified the sin of pride. For me, divested of the methods as the Chant does, it exemplifies a virtuous undertaking. I am an opposition to the core of the Chantry's ideology so fundamental that there can be no reconciliation.

 

Yes because mortals attempting to usurp a deity always ends in a happy fashion in fantasy settings.

 

"Bro maybe we shouldn't try to usurp this god."

 

"Nah man PROGRESS DEMANDS IT!"

 

"But what if it doesn't work out?"

 

"PROGRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Steelcan]

It tries to turn things into flaws which I consider virtues. For instance, the attempt to reach the Golden City. There was evil in the magisters' attempt, yes, but the blood sacrifice is never mentioned in the Chant. For the Chant, this act exemplified the sin of pride. For me, divested of the methods as the Chant does, it exemplifies a virtuous undertaking. I am an opposition to the core of the Chantry's ideology so fundamental that there can be no reconciliation.
 
I would like nothing more than to break the Chantry's hold over the minds of people. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen.

Normally I'd agree with you, but this is a fantasy setting with powers well beyond human understanding. Messing with them was foolish.

[TheJediSaint]

I can hope can't I?

 

And since Ramsay Snow is as yet confined to Westeros

Wanting to inflict Ramsay Snow on people is a bit much, don't you think?

[Cainhurst Crow]

It tries to turn things into flaws which I consider virtues. For instance, the attempt to reach the Golden City. There was evil in the magisters' attempt, yes, but the blood sacrifice is never mentioned in the Chant. For the Chant, this act exemplified the sin of pride, regardless of the methods used. For me, divested of the methods as the Chant does, it exemplifies a virtuous undertaking. I am an opposition to the core of the Chantry's ideology so fundamental that there can be no reconciliation.

 

I would like nothing more than to break the Chantry's hold over the minds of people. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen.

 

What makes storming the golden city and looking to take it over virtuous again?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Wanting to inflict Ramsy Snow on people is a bit much, don't you think?

 

Usually yes. There is always the potential for exceptions though.

[Hellion Rex]

It tries to turn things into flaws which I consider virtues. For instance, the attempt to reach the Golden City. There was evil in the magisters' attempt, yes, but the blood sacrifice is never mentioned in the Chant. For the Chant, this act exemplified the sin of pride, regardless of the methods used. For me, divested of the methods as the Chant does, it exemplifies a virtuous undertaking. I am an opposition to the core of the Chantry's ideology so fundamental that there can be no reconciliation.

 

I would like nothing more than to break the Chantry's hold over the minds of people. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen.

...a virtuous undertaking that claimed the lives of many slaves and backfired, unleashing a wave of supernatural plague upon Thedas with the Taint.

[Ieldra]

Yes because mortals attempting to usurp a deity always ends in a happy fashion in fantasy settings.

It is exactly that I take issue with. I support usurping deities and resent that it's always depicted as morally wrong. Not that I really expected things to be different in DA, but that doesn't change the fact that I despise this kind of thinking.