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[Shadow Quickpaw]

One of the more ironic exchanges actually happens near the very beggining of Origins (even more so with anyone but the human noble).

 

Lothering Chantry

Mother What's-her-face: Greetings, child. Have you come to donate to the Chantry?

 

Dalish Elf: "Donate?" I hope you're joking.

 

Mother Something-or-other: Certainly not, it is not a matter for jests. The people here could be fed and clothed for a fraction of your finery.

 

Me as I wish I could respond: "FINERY?!" Does it LOOK like my gear is anything worth sneezing at?!!!!!

 

It indicated a severe lack of tact when that particular Chantry looked better kept than most of Denerim's buildings, as it was clear the donations were NOT going toward the people, but to the oppulance of Andrastianism.

 

I have no doubt the Revered Mother believed what she was saying and meant well, but for her to try and call us out on money-hoarding when CLEARLY the Chantry was guilty of far worse... There are some serious denial and delusion issues at work here.

[Jaison1986]

You know that's not what I'm saying I think about the Chantry, right? I'm saying they're not all like that.

 

Not all the tevinters are evil neither, but still, it doesn't change their society from pretty awful.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Dwarves have monopoly on the lyrium, which the Chantry needs to keep its own personal army in check. The dwarf/Chantry status-quo is of necessity, not choice. And helped by the fact that dwarves are isolationists and not likely to spread their beliefs, making them far less of a threat to the Chantry.

As for the elves, that was an Exalted March. Exalted Marches are called by the Chantry. They had everything to do with the war with the elves (arguably even starting it). And even more with the complete obliteration of their culture and the resulting near-enslavement of elves, even though their own religion claims that "all are equal before the eyes of the Maker."

The Elves started the war. That is not in question. What provoked them into it, is debatable. Either way the Chatnry didn't join the war till the later half of it, and when it was over it was the Chatnry who was solely responsible for the Elven race even survived, as it obligated the human nations to show mercy.

The Chantry has nothing to do with how each individual nation treats the Elves, that is rather a result of the Elves starting the war in the first place (that kind of soured humans' relationship to the Elves).

 

Either way, the Chatnry has for over 900 years co-existed with SEVERAL non-Andrastian cultures. Meaning the original point made, is false.

[Keroko]

Mhmm, and like the Dalish are always warm and fuzzy to non Dalish elves?

My human noble was told the same thing. But that's actually some of the nicer things that can happen. Worse case scenarios are knives in the back.

When a religion is convinced that everyone must follow their faith or the world is doomed, you're basically saying everyone who doesn't believe is an enemy.
 

Besides starting it

Which to me seems the important bit.

Dunno, I'd consider spreading rumours of human sacrifices to increase antagonism, then sending misionaires to provoke them, followed by templars when said misionaires get kicked out plenty of starting.

Sure, the elves started the first major invasion at red crossing, but you can't hold the "we love to rewrite history" Chantry blameless in the affair by ignoring the elven account of the war.

[thats1evildude]

They are judgemental and closed-minded to other faiths. My Dalish Warden in Origins was told "begone, heathen" by a chantry priest in Ostagar just because he didn't hold the same beliefs as the Chantry.

Be honest, now. Didn't you have to tell off the Chantry priest to get that response?

[Br3admax]

Who cares? Being good doesn't stop half the people shitting on the Chantry in this thread from wanting to kill every other character that disagrees with them. Being good is overrated. 

[CliffMcVodka]

Mhmm, and like the Dalish are always warm and fuzzy to non Dalish elves?

Yes the Dalish are judgemental, but at least they try to keep to themselves. I've never heard of Dalish elf missionaries that try to convert people who already have a belief system. They couldn't care less what others believe.

[HiroVoid]

Be honest, now. Didn't you have to tell off the Chantry priest to get that response?

If I remember right, yes.  I'm pretty sure I remember an example of what they're talking about, but I know the Ostagar example at least included me being rude to them first.

[lordsaren101]

How about the persecution and forced destruction and conversion of all polytheistic faiths. General intolerance, imprisonment and persecution of all mages maleficarum or not. Spewing the chant of light at all turns and cramming down every living beings throat. Corruption, hypocrisy, murder. Need i continue?

[Master Warder Z_]

Dunno, I'd consider spreading rumours of human sacrifices to increase antagonism, then sending misionaires to provoke them, followed by templars when said misionaires get kicked out plenty of starting.

Sure, the elves started the first major invasion at red crossing, but you can't hold the "we love to rewrite history" Chantry blameless in the affair by ignoring the elven account of the war.

 

Missionaries and their protectors does not an invasion warrant.

 

The elves begun a war they could never win.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes the Dalish are judgemental, but at least they try to keep to themselves. I've never heard of Dalish elf missionaries that try to convert people who already have a belief system. They couldn't care less what others believe.

 

Beyond if you want to live with them anyway; they sort of force you to convert

[TheKomandorShepard]

What is evil is up to individual i would say that chantry is stupid and incompetent what is far worse than moral issues that in fact don't matter.

 

 

Be honest, now. Didn't you have to tell off the Chantry priest to get that response?

 

From what i renember all you need to do get it is refuse blessing.

[Snook]

Be honest, now. Didn't you have to tell off the Chantry priest to get that response?

 

Been a while, but all I remember saying was "I don't worship your god, human." 

 

I remember saying "The Maker is a righteous ass. What do you think about that?" as well, but now I remember that was with the Lothering Chanter for kicks. :S

[BlueMagitek]

How about the persecution and forced destruction and conversion of all polytheistic faiths. General intolerance, imprisonment and persecution of all mages maleficarum or not. Spewing the chant of light at all turns and cramming down every living beings throat. Corruption, hypocrisy, murder. Need i continue?

 

I'm going to ask for some evidence of this; the only time the Chant was "spewed" was when you approached a Chanter, the ones who devote their time to repeating the Chant.  The missionary you see (Brother Berkhal) is actually quite reasonable and goes about his business legally.

[CliffMcVodka]

Be honest, now. Didn't you have to tell off the Chantry priest to get that response?

All I said was "No, I'm not interested." She's the one that got snippy!

[Br3admax]

I remember saying "The Maker is a righteous ass. What do you think about that?" as well, but now I remember that was with the Lothering Chanter for kicks. :S

You mean when you're taunting someone else's vows just to be an ass? And he does nothing? 

[Master Warder Z_]

Sounds like your Dalish was the arsehole in the situation Snook, not the Mother or Chanter

[HiroVoid]

How about the persecution and forced destruction and conversion of all polytheistic faiths. General intolerance, imprisonment and persecution of all mages maleficarum or not. Spewing the chant of light at all turns and cramming down every living beings throat. Corruption, hypocrisy, murder. Need i continue?

Intolerance - Part of the intolerance by all humanity.  I also believe an elf in DAII can be a sister while there's a dwarven templar in Last Flight.

Imprisonment - Due to abominations and other issues with the whole mage issue.

Spewing chant of light - Nothing wrong with being allowed to preach somewhere.

Corruption - Par the course of being a giant establishment with world power....not that it excuses it, but just about every other organization has this.

Hypocrisy - How does this harm anyone?

Murder - Who are they murdering unjustifiably?  Elves were at war with Orlais and the Chantry stopped them from getting slaughtered though it did make the alienages.  Qunari are at war with Thedas.  Mages are killed as part of the tests to resist demons.  I'm in favor of reform for the latter, but they still have to be tested at some point.

[HiroVoid]

Been a while, but all I remember saying was "I don't worship your god, human." 

 

I remember saying "The Maker is a righteous ass. What do you think about that?" as well, but now I remember that was with the Lothering Chanter for kicks. :S

*sigh* just a moment.  I've got a save near Ostagar with a dwarf.

[Snook]

You mean when you're taunting someone else's vows just to be an ass? And he does nothing? 

 

Oh come on, it was funny. 

 

"A Chanter says what?" 

"What?"

[Br3admax]

Oh come on, it was funny. 

 

"A Chanter says what?" 

"What?"

Typical Dalish.  

[Snook]

Sounds like your Dalish was the arsehole in the situation Snook, not the Mother or Chanter

 

I'll give you the Chanter, yeah, but I don't remember doing anything too horrible to the Mother as I said. 

[HiroVoid]

Been a while, but all I remember saying was "I don't worship your god, human." 

 

I remember saying "The Maker is a righteous ass. What do you think about that?" as well, but now I remember that was with the Lothering Chanter for kicks. :S

She's a bit sanctimonious if you politely decline saying "How unwise with the battle to come", but nothing bad.  In order to get the rude dialogue, I would have to say "Keep your worthless mumblings to yourself.".  Might be different with a Dalish.

 

The first line I had was 'I'm Dwarven kin' though, so I'm guess it's similar there for the Dalish replacing it with an "I don't worship your god, human".  Then the next line's the same for both where they can either politely decline or say "Keep your worthless mumblings to yourself."

[lordsaren101]

I find myself supporting the dalish viewpoint on this one...there is no defense of the chantry, they deserve to be taunted. Its hilarious. Now if only i could walk into a cathedral waving a banner of the old gods...ah well a magister can dream...quite literally in fact

[Master Warder Z_]

She's a bit sanctimonious if you politely decline saying "How unwise with the battle to come", but nothing bad.  In order to get the rude dialogue, I would have to say "Keep your worthless mumblings to yourself.".  Might be different with a Dalish.

 

The first line I had was 'I'm Dwarven kin' though, so I'm guess it's similar there for the Dalish replacing it with an "I don't worship your god, human".  Then the next line's the same for both where they can either politely decline or say "Keep your worthless mumblings to yourself."

 

Elves invoke human agitation, I mean can you really blame humans for getting annoyed by elves?