Corypheus: I mean sure there were three fences each with progressively more descriptive signs, a video warning, thirteen magic seals, AND one mean attack Bronto but we thought that just meant there was REALLY good loot in there.
Don't forget they had to get the dude the maker warned them not to listen to to guide them 
It's kind of like believing Features that Peter Molyeneux says are actually in the game.
I would not say the chantry is Evil, So much as its origional concept has been bastardized over the centuries after Andraste, with different people in positions of power manipulating the system for their owwn gain, or to more readily agree with their personal ideals.
On paper the chantry sounds like a good thing. "Light to all corner's of the world, united under one faith: to he who made the world and all of us so he will return and bathe us in light" from alot of outside thoughts from the chantry they would hear that as: "A fire to spread accross the world, purging those that would oppose the maker's faithful" better known as "Do what i say or i will hurt you".
and as most world spanning organizations the Chantry is not exempt from corruption, and degredation of its tennants, and minor changes to those tennants over the years and centuries they where written down.
"Magic is to Serve man, not rule over him" Basically no mage should rule any nation, this is a pretty basic creed that players hear from priests of the chantry now and again. Bastardized beyond belief, as seen with the tevinter imperium. this flows into the Other quotes regarding Apostates, Malificarum, and Abominations. - Magic Is Bloody Dangerous if you dont know what your doing! as such the Circles of Magi where formed to teach these people how to control their gifts. but some where along the lines, someone had a bit of a caniption about having people with the power to light cities onfire with their mind, and letting them walk around like regular people. ergo, the Mages get locked up in their towers, with their "scary anti magic sponges" (Templars), and we start to see animosity.
the Templars are the Guardians of The Mages, where that got bastardized into the Wardens of their Prisons i dont know honestly. Their apart of the Harrowing to protect the mages who well.. blunty put "Suck at their Job", and Slay the Abominations. Yes there are alot of Anti Mage Templars out there, But there are also good Templars out there that side with the Mages Like Ser Gregoir, and Rhys's lover in the Novels.
The Chantry Enforces the laws that will keep people safe, and away from the bad things in the world. i believe it was said in the Party Banter forums Best: "Maybe the Maker's Job is Done" he was the Creator of the World, and People, and All Things, maybe somethings werent ment for Humans in the Dragon Age Universe, Ergo the Laws. Maybe the Black City where the Maker Resided was not ment for "US" and as such the Maker saw the Invasion of this City as a Sign Mankind is not ready for this power. and he Unleashed the Darkspawn to remind Humanity: "this is Your fault for being Impatient, and unwilling to slowly gain things that you dont yet understand". But Humanities Chance to learn what they didnt know, died with Arlathan home of the Elves, because Humans where Impatient and did not want to share Power and Knowledge. and Becuase of this decision by the Maker Dwarves lost their Empire. Smooth move Humanity.
I Cannot Say wether or Not the Chantry is "Evil" because infact it is not, it is Merely Corrupted due to Political and Morale changes with each Ranking member of its Hierarchy, if a person doesnt like a certain rule, their going to change it to benefit them, and that causes Seperations As seen with the Tevinter Chantry, and the Andrastian Chantry. Most of the Nations see Slavery as Wrong. the Tevinters do not, and as such it is probably not religiously Taboo'd about slavery. (We dont really know much about the Tevinter Chantry as a whole).
The Chantry is not here to tell us "Do This, Do That, Do it This way as well" No, the people that believe that are Fanatics, and Deserve to be Stepped on and ruled over because their to dumb, to read between the lines. Most people would see the tennants of the Chant of light, as Ambiguous Guidelines.
"What out for Signs of Taint, The Man is a Mage, show caution"
"All Beings are Equal in the Makers Eyes, No one is better than anyone simply due to race"
"Evil is Bad, Plain and Simple, Unite and Smack that mother Down"
"Tis the Hubris of Man -" yada yada yada, we all know the quote. "Man is a Fickle Creature, and always want more... Moderation, if you want something bad enough your willing to cheat, you probably should not have it"
((Onto the Topic that has come about while i wrote this, see above quotes about Humanity screwing the world over. You Recognize this Person as the Maker, your Creator, your all mighty Father figure, when you die, you go to his side. so... Why the Hell Would you rush to the land of the dead, just to try and kill him and take his power if he can re-make you at will? kind of a no brainer.))
As such, NO the Chantry is not evil, merely misguided, and set itself up for the massive fall we are seeing in the mage/templar war, and will see further in Inquisition.
Don't forget they had to get the dude the maker warned them not to listen to to guide them
It's kind of like believing Features that Peter Molyeneux says are actually in the game.
Corypheus: Dumat! Bro why you gotta play us like this!
Dumat: I'm evil yo! That's what I gotta do yo!
This is one of those situations where the results kind of speak for themselves.
Except that it's actually fictional humans speaking since this is part of a story within a story. That's why it is an ideologically loaded message instead of just a gigantic clusterfuck of an accident caused by reckless mages who thought themselves far more wily and capable than they were. I am not blind to their flaws. I just don't agree with the generalized message that there are things we should never explore because they're fundamentally beyond our domain.
As for listening to Dumat instead of the Maker. Well, who can you trust? Everyone has an agenda, and of course if Dumat and the Maker are on opposing sides, one side will tell you not to listen to the other.
Except that it's actually fictional humans speaking since this is part of a story within a story. That's why it is an ideologically loaded message instead of just a gigantic clusterfuck of an accident caused by reckless mages who thought themselves far more wily and capable than they were. I am not blind to their flaws. I just don't agree with the message that there are things we should never explore because they're fundamentally beyond our domain.
More power to you then. Enjoy the consequences.
Personally even IF usurping the maker was an option I'd never let a TEVINTER aaaaanywhere near any of that.
Except that it's actually fictional humans speaking since this is part of a story within a story. That's why it is an ideologically loaded message instead of just a gigantic clusterfuck of an accident caused by reckless mages who thought themselves far more wily and capable than they were. I am not blind to their flaws. I just don't agree with the generalized message that there are things we should never explore because they're fundamentally beyond our domain.
but you do accept that there are some things that we are not ready for, and may never be ready for?
Oh please the Magisters would've just said it was a lie.
And then still blamed him for not putting up more signs.
Edit: I mean I'm of the "screw that I do what I want." variety but I'm not gonna throw a hissy fit when it predictably blows in my face.
'The Taint is a Lie.'
Most disgusting internet meme ever?
I'm not doing that as a matter of principle, but because the dogma sets up boundaries I think it is desirable to break. The mere existence of a god - in settings where gods do exist - is never enough to act against them. Just the same as others' beliefs. I may disagree with what others believe but as long as that doesn't result in them interfering in my life, I am indeed largely indifferent to it. Unfortunately religions have a tendency for such interference, and as a result, so do the gods they claim to speak for.
I'll be frank, Ieldra. When I listen to you talk on this subject, I don't get the impression of an unbiased, rational actor who is merely breaking free of unjust interference. I get the impression of an ethnocentric European treasure hunters (aka archeologist) of the 19th century who would blow open tombs with dynamite in the name of science because they could and because they believed were more civilized than to be held back by local superstition and mostly because they thought they might personally gain something from doing so.
I have rather low opinions of such archeological-scientific mentalities, especially in contexts where rather than 'harmlessly' breaking into places like this they may well be breaking into something like this.
but you do accept that there are some things that we are not ready for, and may never be ready for?
The former, perhaps. The latter, no. That's exactly the point, that I do not accept such fundamental boundaries.
That fallacy should be named after you, by this point.
S/he wouldn't and did. Patrice was stopped by the Grand Cleric
It does. S/e let a known abomination wonder the streets for 7 years. And in a lot of cases aided him in making the bomb.
Not before they knew it was a bomb. Not to my recollection.
Not rly as i said who was that did that they were mages. 
No she wasn't unless you mean that after she killed son of viscount and hawke informed her about that.
It isn't necessary to aid him of course not do anything about him is stupid unless you don't care hawke rly didn't caused that only anders.
You can inform her if you refuse anders help him in chantry otherwise you don't know what he is up to so you can't warn her.
So Humanity should be in direct control of Creation itself? and Be allowed to Play god along the line sof Eugenics where thousands of people died simply to breed out disatisfactory Genetic traits.
'The Taint is a Lie.'
Most disgusting internet meme ever?
Duh.
Nah there's worse. There's always worse.
Cuz thats basically what the Tevinter mages wanted to do, Play god.
Cuz thats basically what the Tevinter mages wanted to do, Play god.
See, I just want to play DAI. More achievable, less reality-shattering.
See, I just want to play DAI. More achievable, less reality-shattering.
People thought the same of ME3, and then...
See, I just want to play DAI. More achievable, less reality-shattering.
Swy im here, to give World Shattering perspectives and uncomfortable truths.
People thought the same of ME3, and then...
Please don't open the blackhole that is ME3 discussions.
I'm still stinging from that "you can roleplay not being happy to be with teh alliance." stings 
People thought the same of ME3, and then...
That didn't shatter my reality, just my interest in buying ME3 DLC.
Lets leave Neo Space fighting alone. its done and over with
Whew, just got off work and just caught up on the....dozen or so pages that added on since I got off the debate platform to clean carpets.
It's a fascinating philosophy you have Ieldra, and one rooted in the Greek mythos and story telling tradition. It's also really interesting, because those who actually take the time to study the mythology will see that the Greek Gods were actually self-entitled jerks, and in many cases weren't even that good. I was actually in a play called "Prometheus" which is pretty much a retelling of the story of how man got fire, and it included the much less renowned Epimetheus foolishly using all the good traits in creating the animals, and left nothing for man, so Prometheus had to find a way to help man overcome their inherent weaknesses, and thus stole fire from the gods and gave it to man so that they could rise and determine their own destiny.
And it shows a complete lack of attention Zeus was paying to mortals, thus making Prometheus right in not trusting the gods to use fire for the benefit of man like they wanted to, because he didn't even notice they had it until they were well into the bronze age.
Now, back to Dragon Age and the Chantry. Removing the entire topic of the Golden City and the ancient Magisters. What is your overall opinion in regards to Adrian, Fiona, Rhys, Evangeline, Lambert, and Justinia V? I'm genuinely curious what you think of each of them.
Please don't open the blackhole that is ME3 discussions.
I'm still stinging from that "you can roleplay not being happy to be with teh alliance." stings
I'll just point out that you could roelplay not being happy working with Cerberus instead, how about that?
Now, back to Dragon Age and the Chantry. Removing the entire topic of the Golden City and the ancient Magisters. What is your overall opinion in regards to Adrian, Fiona, Rhys, Evangeline, Lambert, and Justinia V? I'm genuinely curious what you think of each of them.
Was that to Ieldra, or was it to the thread in general?
I'll just point out that you could roelplay not being happy working with Cerberus instead, how about that?
Anyway as to the OP I don't feel the Chantry is anymore evil than any other group in Thedas. They all are working for their benefits and want their group to flourish.
My Inquisitor shall be the same regarding the Inquisition
I could point out that you could roleplay not liking working for the Council in ME1?
Corypheus: Dumat! Bro why you gotta play us like this!
Dumat: I'm evil yo! That's what I gotta do yo!
I approve this message. Stone be with you, my friend.
I could point out that you could roleplay not liking working for the Council in ME1?
Okay that was decent.
Still I wanted to be able to consistently tell people in ME to eat it because really that was just a stupid ball marathon.
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