So Humanity should be in direct control of Creation itself? and Be allowed to Play god along the line sof Eugenics where thousands of people died simply to breed out disatisfactory Genetic traits.
According to some members of my family...Yes.
Are they right? I don't know, i can't predict the future, i cannot see with a certainty all the effects a belief or action will cause.
But the notion has merit to some.
Anyway as to the OP I don't feel the Chantry is anymore evil than any other group in Thedas. They all are working for their benefits and want their group to flourish.
My Inquisitor shall be the same regarding the Inquisition
*Picks option I don't support them*
Inquisitor: I love the chantry! But that doesn't mean we don't disagree on some issues.
Im fine with the Chantry, infact it's refreshing to have a decently fleshed out Religion.
*Picks option I don't support them*
Inquisitor: I love the chantry! But that doesn't mean we don't disagree on some issues.
The chantry is awesome 
I wish our own world has something akin to it.
Not rly as i said who was that did that they were mages.
So, yeah, proving the point. Saying that because mages have done something, any or all mages will do something, is a fallacy.
No she wasn't unless you mean that after she killed son of viscount and hawke informed her about that.
Nope. Hawke doesn't stop Patrice once during the story, while the Grand Cleric clearly knew the qunari were there.
It isn't necessary to aid him of course not do anything about him is stupid unless you don't care hawke rly didn't caused that only anders.
Hawke knew Anders was an abomination and allowed him to roam free, but constantly went after the smallest of treats in the city. Yeah, Hawke let Anders do what he did, and it's Hawke's fault that thing went out of control.
You can inform her if you refuse anders help him in chantry otherwise you don't know what he is up to so you can't warn her.
You don't need to know what he's up to, to tell the Grand Cleric to watch the rogue mage that's in the Chantry, clearly identified by dressing like he's from Tevinter.
*Picks option I don't support them*
Inquisitor: I love the chantry! But that doesn't mean we don't disagree on some issues.
Oh lawd.
I get a choice like that so much headdesking will commence. 
Also I despise not letting my character be neutral. Even if he/she sides with one side they can't merely say it's because the other side is worse and went too far.
Nope. He/she suddenly had a complete shift in character and are now rooting for the other side.
*sigh*
Okay that was decent.
Still I wanted to be able to consistently tell people in ME to eat it because really that was just a stupid ball marathon.
I could point out that you could role play an idiot Shepard in ME?
I'll be frank, Ieldra. When I listen to you talk on this subject, I don't get the impression of an unbiased, rational actor who is merely breaking free of unjust interference. I get the impression of an ethnocentric European treasure hunters (aka archeologist) of the 19th century who would blow open tombs with dynamite in the name of science because they could and because they believed were more civilized than to be held back by local superstition and because they thought they might gain something from doing so.
Then I'm doing something wrong with my presentation. In those cases I would take great pains not to destroy anything. Also, there is a fundamental difference in legitimate ownership. It's one thing to point at a site hundred meters away from your house and tell me I may not go there because it's your culture's sacred site, and quite another to point at a star in the center of the galaxy and tell me the same. The Golden City is much more akin to the latter.
Anyway the comparison does not work so well because this is ultimately always about knowledge that nobody has as yet, so nobody can claim legitimate ownership. Ultimately, this is about ideologies that want to prevent me from exploring the unknown in specific directions. And that, I believe nobody has the right to do.
Oh lawd.
I get a choice like that so much headdesking will commence.
Also I despise not letting my character be neutral. Even if he/she sides with one side they can't merely say it's because the other side is worse and went too far.
Nope. He/she suddenly had a complete shift in character and are now rooting for the other side.
*sigh*
*Spends the entire opening act supporting the Templars then has a last minute change of heart because reasons*
Inquisitor: The mages deserve to be completely free! Down with Tyranny!!!!
*Literally 5 minutes earlier*
Inquisitor: I mean it's not like I think we should kill them all but the Circles DO exist for a reason.
I could point out that you could role play an idiot Shepard in ME?
Twas a choice though. I wasn't forced to be a ****** Shepard. You almost always had a "leave conversation" instead "say idiot thing" choice.
Most of the time anyway.
Twas a choice though. I wasn't forced to be a ****** Shepard. You almost always had a "leave conversation" instead "say idiot thing" choice.
Most of the time anyway.
First contact war was totes the same as the Genophage Wrex!
Then I'm doing something wrong with my presentation. In those cases I would take great pains not to destroy anything. Also, there is a fundamental difference in legitimate ownership. It's one thing to point at a site hundred meters away from your house and tell me I may not go there because it's your culture's sacred site, and quite another to point at a star in the center of the galaxy and tell me the same. The Golden City is much more akin to the latter.
Anyway the comparison does not work so well because this is ultimately always about knowledge that nobody has as yet, so nobody can claim legitimate ownership. Ultimately, this is about ideologies that want to prevent me from exploring the unknown in specific directions. And that, I believe nobody has the right to do.
But you did say, that you would support the notion of usurping the Maker, if he turned out to be real.
*Spends the entire opening act supporting the Templars then has a last minute change of heart because reasons*
Inquisitor: The mages deserve to be completely free! Down with Tyranny!!!!
*Literally 5 minutes earlier*
Inquisitor: I mean it's not like I think we should kill them all but the Circles DO exist for a reason.
My fears D:
If that happened
It's bad enough rivaling Anders and siding with teh mages at the end apparently has him forget all the bullshit Justice had pulled up to that point and him and Hawke talking about moderation I just...I don't even.
First contact war was totes the same as the Genophage Wrex!
lawl.
If something like that happens in Inquisition I shall take full advantage of the walk away option.
My fears D:
If that happened
It's bad enough rivaling Anders and siding with teh mages at the end apparently has him forget all the bullshit Justice had pulled up to that point and him and Hawke talking about moderation I just...I don't even.
Anders: You're an enemy of the revolution and I hate you!
*Picks the mages*
Anders: You're totally cool and we've never had any problems!
Anders: You're an enemy of the revolution and I hate you!
*Picks the mages*
Anders: You're totally cool and we've never had any problems!
Don't forget how he and Justice are BFFs now despite earlier fighting and having Anders realizing Justice had turned into a demon.
But that's apparently all cool now cause we sided with the mages.
Don't forget how he and Justice are BFFs now despite earlier fighting and having Anders realizing Justice had turned into a demon.
But that's apparently all cool now cause we sided with the mages.
All the more reason to execute him no matter your chosen ending.
So Humanity should be in direct control of Creation itself? and Be allowed to Play god along the line sof Eugenics where thousands of people died simply to breed out disatisfactory Genetic traits.
I believe we should aspire to as much power to control our own fate as we can. "Play" god? Certainly not. Playing leaves room for irresponsibility, and we couldn't afford that with that kind of power. I certainly don't think we can handle it now, there is more than enough evidence for that, but I also don't think it's fundamentally beyond our domain. Also I'm not human-centric. I would admire the same aspiration in any other intelligent species.
At the moment, we are as children in many things, and we should not play with fire. But children grow up. One step at a time. The Chantry's ideology says we can't grow up. I do not believe that.
I believe we should aspire to as much power to control our own fate as we can. "Play" god? Certainly not. Playing leaves room for irresponsibility, and we couldn't afford that with that kind of power. I certainly don't think we can handle it now, there is more than enough evidence for that, but I also don't think it's fundamentally beyond our domain. Also I'm not human-centric. I would admire the same aspiration in any other intelligent species.
At the moment, we are as children in many things, and we should not play with fire. But children grow up. One step at a time. The Chantry's ideology says we can't grow up. I do not believe that.
I like that, its a good note for the whole thing. But Humanity again and again proves itself not ready, Humanity Killed Arlathan, simply because it was full of elves and more superior to us in all means not cool, we could have gotten along with them. we Tried to Kill God and take his power, not cool. and in the time leading up after the destruction of the dales, simply because the elves wanted to make a new homeland, we would let them. Kinda Racist, kind of having control issues, kinda seeing why the maker left, and cursed the world with dark spawn. *nod nod*... kinda on his side with that one.
The game takes allowing Anders to help you defend mages to be a tacit approval of his actions with the Chantry. You can avoid this awkwardness by telling him to leave. (Or killing him.)
Don't forget how he and Justice are BFFs now despite earlier fighting and having Anders realizing Justice had turned into a demon.
But that's apparently all cool now cause we sided with the mages.
Not really, Anders felt guilty to what happened to Justice and he was expecting to die regardless even if you sided with the mages.
I believe we should aspire to as much power to control our own fate as we can. "Play" god? Certainly not. Playing leaves room for irresponsibility, and we couldn't afford that with that kind of power. I certainly don't think we can handle it now, there is more than enough evidence for that, but I also don't think it's fundamentally beyond our domain. Also I'm not human-centric. I would admire the same aspiration in any other intelligent species.
At the moment, we are as children in many things, and we should not play with fire. But children grow up. One step at a time. The Chantry's ideology says we can't grow up. I do not believe that.
Does the Chantry say "we can't grow up"?
I thought it said "You fucked up, and now you've got to make things right".
Even in the Chantry's own teachings, the Maker originally created the Spirits to be just like him because he wanted them to shape the Fade and play god. He realized he fucked up there, and so he created Mortals and filled them with a hunger so that they would come to create things.
The Maker is said to originally have been pleased with the ingenuity of his new creations, well at least until they started ****** things up.
So, the Maker as described wants people to make things, but he also wants them to not make terrible things.
Not really, Anders felt guilt to what happened to Justice and he was expecting to die regardless even if you sided with the mages.
Uh...it's the same exact dialogue you get if you friended him the entire time. (The dialogue you get on the box is different if you rivaled him yes and that's when he's very visibly more distraught cause he can not control Vengeance and guilty because of what he's done). That continues if have him side with the templars.
Yet for some reason that goes poof! If you side with the mages.
But you did say, that you would support the notion of usurping the Maker, if he turned out to be real.
I would support it as a symbolic act within a story, representing crossing boundaries from the known into the unknown that someone claims I have no business crossing.
In strict roleplaying terms, divested of the symbolism, I would treat him like any other superpower, and the attempt to steal knowledge from him would be akin to stealing the US of A's military secrets. It may be illegal and extremely risky, but I certainly can't find anything morally objectionable in it. And yes, that also applies if I'm the victim. I would certainly try to prevent this from happening, but if someone succeeds my reaction would be annoyance at my inability to prevent it, not moral outrage.
were talking about the chantry, not Anders/Justice. we all know Anders Done bad.
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