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[lordsaren101]

The Chantry personally goes up to Keepers and insult them? That's new.

They dont need to. They have already declared dalish faith and all others false. Abominations in their eyes.

[HiroVoid]

They dont need to. They have already declared dalish faith and all others false. Abominations in their eyes.

I'm pretty sure the Dalish, Dwarf, and Qunari faith declares all the other faiths false as well.

[Snook]

Oh, fine. Let's drop it then.

[HiroVoid]

I just checked with my Dalish Warden - if you ask her "Does He give blessings to elves?" and then tell her "No, I don't want your blessing" she calls you a heathen and questions the judgment of the Grey Wardens.  Same result with an elven mage.

 

You also have the option of being catty, which gives a similar result.  Either way, elves = heathens to that particular Mother.

 

EDIT: Clarity needed - elves that don't accept her blessings = heathens.  Sorry about that.

Thanks.  I wasn't sure since I only checked with a dwarf.  That's probably who I was remembering anyway.

[Br3admax]

They dont need to. They have already declared dalish faith and all others false. Abominations in their eyes.

Literally every faith in the world does that too every other. At least in Thedas. 

[lordsaren101]

Literally every faith in the world does that too every other. At least in Thedas.

Indeed. So lets not let the chantry off the hook.

[Zjarcal]

It's evil because they gave me the stinkeye for ogling Leliana.

[HiroVoid]

Indeed. So lets not let the chantry off the hook.

Except its not a crime.  Persecuting anothter faith is one thing.  Saying they're false is another.  To say they're not false would be to say its own is false.

[Br3admax]

Indeed. So lets not let the chantry off the hook.

The Dalish don't deserve to be ridiculed because they believe everyone else is wrong. They deserve to be ridiculed only when they are bassackward and intolerant themselves. 

[Shadow Fox]

Oh this'll be good.

[lordsaren101]

Im going to bow out of this discussion...for now. Personally i have no stake in either faith. I support the old gods. So let the dalish and chantry tear eachother apart, all the better for me.

[raging_monkey]

Oh this'll be good.

popcorn zaku?

[Jalil]

Stone take ye!

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh this'll be good.

 

Yup.

[topekaguy]

Only a sith deals in absolutes... Oops wrong franchise

[Shadow Fox]

popcorn zaku?

Don't mind if I do.

 

*offers drink*

[raging_monkey]

Only a sith deals in absolutes... Oops wrong franchise

its true though dalish deal in absolutes, chantry deals, and promage/templars deal in absolutes

[raging_monkey]

Don't mind if I do. *offers drink*

thank you very much

[dragonflight288]

I'm not a fan of the Chantry, and in some ways I believe they do more harm than good. They haven't done the elves, city or otherwise, any favors. 

 

But the thing that really gets me about the Chantry, is how often they'll get involved in politics to protect Orlesian interests. 

 

Take Kirkwall. When Meredith was a Knight-Captain, and ha no authority, the Viscount before Dumar was raising taxes on Orlesian traders and goods. The Chantry ordered the local templars to interfere and take over the government because the Viscount was interfering with Orlais and was hurting it economically. The Knight-Commander refused, saying that it is not a templar's duty to get involved with politics and should stick to the Circle and the mages. 

 

Despite his refusal, the Viscount took that exchange and tried to kick the templars out of Kirkwall entirely, and killed Meredith's predecessor. Meredith rallied the templars, stormed the keep and arrested the Viscount, where he was tried and sentenced by Elthina. Then Dumar was appointed the new Viscount, and everyone in the game, as far back as when Hawke barely gets off the boat, like the guard who talks to us, tells us that Meredith is the one giving the orders and she is the power in Kirkwall, and he doesn't know what would happen if Dumar did something she didn't want. 

 

Then Meredith seized power in Kirkwall after Dumar was killed by the Arishok, and acted as the defacto Viscount for three years, ruling the city with an absolute iron fist. Elthina didn't want to get involved, but she had no problems getting involved with being the one to try and sentence the Viscount prior to Dumar. 

 

That entire situation stinks to high heaven of corruption to the highest levels in the Chantry. 

 

Not to mention the total lack of Seekers in Kirkwall overseeing, or rather, not overseeing templar abuse of power, both over mages and over the citizens during Meredith's three year reign. 

 

Then there's that revered mother in Lothering. She refuses to give blessings unless you tithe first, saying that the tithes would help the people with food and supplies. But that's the problem. There aren't any. Barlen will talk about how he's out. The helpful refugee will complain about there being no room, which Bryant, the templars, and even the bandits agree with. The village Elder is desperate for medicine since they're out of supplies. 

 

Only one person, one, has any supplies at all, and that's the merchant charging exorbitant prices. No merchant caravans were coming, Lothering was abandoned. Yet she was only offering blessings to those who tithed, supposedly for the purpose of purchasing supplies for the people in a place where there were no supplies to be found at all. 

 

It felt to me like huge extortion racket under the cover of faith. 

 

Now, there are many in the Chantry who truly are trying to do their best. I commend them, but there are far too many instances where it seems like the Chantry is less concerned about the people under their care and more concerned with helping Olais, themselves, and are not exactly friendly to non-believers. (Dalish, Qunari in Northern Rivain, Most of the book Stolen Throne)

[dragonflight288]

its true though dalish deal in absolutes, chantry deals, and promage/templars deal in absolutes

 

So true. 

 

Morrigan: There are no trials for apostates, no prisons. There are only absolutes. 

 

Aneiren: They called me maleficar, run me through and left me for dead.

 

Wynne: He was only a child!

 

Codex entry on apostates: The Chantry and the Templars deliberately blur the line between apostate and maleficar. 

[raging_monkey]

So true.  Morrigan: There are no trials for apostates, no prisons. There are only absolutes.  Aneiren: They called me maleficar, run me through and left me for dead. Wynne: He was only a child! Codex entry on apostates: The Chantry and the Templars deliberately blur the line between apostate and maleficar.

as my sister said on the matter **** happens all we can do is work with it.... and mock it lol

[dragonflight288]

as my sister said on the matter **** happens all we can do is work with it.... and mock it lol

 

*sarcastically* No, really? I would never have guessed. lol.

[raging_monkey]

*sarcastically* No, really? I would never have guessed. lol.

shes the black morrigan just meaner lol.
But im honestly suprised by the level of civility normally we are trying to tear eachother a new one

[Steelcan]

the Chantry is no more evil than any other religious orgaization, and significantly less than the Qun.

 

If the Dalish were in a position to enforce their religious practices I imaigne they'd be just as intolerant

[HiroVoid]

So true. 

 

Morrigan: There are no trials for apostates, no prisons. There are only absolutes. 

 

Aneiren: They called me maleficar, run me through and left me for dead.

 

Wynne: He was only a child!

 

Codex entry on apostates: The Chantry and the Templars deliberately blur the line between apostate and maleficar. 

Wouldn't the Circle count as a prison for Bethany?  She was an apostate.