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[Han Shot First]

Anyone else looking forward to this?

 

 

 

The Beast was one of my favorite movies from the '80s, so I'm kind of stoked to see another tank movie. 

[The Love Runner]

Aw, I thought we were now getting a Nick Fury solo movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe...

For real, though, I actually saw a commercial for it for the first time today. Might keep an eye on it.

[Dermain]

What? Shia LeBeouf is in the movie?

 

Well it's going to tank...

[mybudgee]

What? Shia LeBeouf is in the movie?

 

Well it's going to tank...

This dude is in charge of puns for tonight

[Han Shot First]

A pretty cool featurette about the Tiger & Sherman tanks:

 

 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

What? Shia LeBeouf is in the movie?

 

Well it's going to tank...

 

Tanks are going to LeBeouf!

 

Seriously I like to see him die in this movie, for the redemption from the abominations of Transformers movies.

[Fidite Nemini]

A pretty cool featurette about the Tiger & Sherman tanks:

 

 

 

All this talk about the Tiger being the ultimate tank ... is so wrong. The Tiger was awful, overdesigned and a massive ressource-hog. It was a **** tank. The ONLY two things it got going for it is that it had massive armor (with a stupidly backwards design) and a massive gun. It wasn't a tank, it was a drivable bunker. As a tank, the Sherman for all its numerous shortcomings was a far superiour design (and putting the 17 pounder british AT gun on it made it one of the best tanks in the whole war).

 

 

This won't be a movie that history nuts can enjoy.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

All this talk about the Tiger being the ultimate tank ... is so wrong. The Tiger was awful, overdesigned and a massive ressource-hog. It was a **** tank. The ONLY two things it got going for it is that it had massive armor (with a stupidly backwards design) and a massive gun. It wasn't a tank, it was a drivable bunker. As a tank, the Sherman for all its numerous shortcomings was a far superiour design (and putting the 17 pounder british AT gun on it made it one of the best tanks in the whole war).

 

 

This won't be a movie that history nuts can enjoy.

 

Messerschmitt and Panzer ftw!

You're wrong. Blowing up a panzer needed so much ammunition and explosion power. I prefer to drive a mobile bunker rather than an armored car with a canon attached to it!

[Cribbian]

The twist is that the tank is actually Brawl.
 

[mybudgee]

 

This won't be a movie that history nuts can enjoy.

This being the operative word

[TheClonesLegacy]

Needed.

[Fidite Nemini]

This being the operative word

 

 

I hadn't used it for no reason

 

I am a history nut and spent quite some energy on the WW eras (growing up with german schools makes that mandatory anyway), so I am by now quite knowledgable on the subject. I am also someone who puts much emphasis on the little details in such works. And the Tiger is engineered wastefulness, so I can't listen much to people gushing over it as if it was a wonder weapon. The Tiger was tough and packed a punch, but so does a rock. Soldiers do no longer walk into war with rocks.

 

 

 

Now, before I go on a term paper length exposition about the feasability of the Tiger tank and contemporary designs, I'll cut this already too long rant short and just say: you are perfectly right.

[mybudgee]

... at least it's not a crappy remake of a crappy 70s - 80s flick.

[Fidite Nemini]

... at least it's not a crappy remake of a crappy 70s - 80s flick.

 

Well, I half expected it to be another movie adaptation of Audie Murphy's career.

[Fidite Nemini]

Time to sit back and watch the inevitable history buff "Panzers vs. Shermans" debate.

 

 

Too late for that, buddy.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Germany lost the war because there was too many allied country fighting them, but there was not enough resources and soldiers to fight for Germany on those too many fronts. In short Economy was crippled and disabled. Not because they were technologically inferior in 1944-45 (note: they weren't).

 

Lack of resources makes you use these:

 

 

 

Pretty useless.

[Sir DeLoria]

I hate how Hollywood almost always portrays German forces(and Japanese) in the late war as these clean, faceless and remorseless stormtroopers. By 1945 German forces were demoralized, out of resources and partially made up of under 18 year olds. Many units surrendered straight away or were trying to surrender to the western allies rather than the soviets. Their equipment was often in bad shape and field repaired.

Mainly because maybe 80% of the German war effort was concentrated on the Eastern Front.

[mybudgee]

I wonder if the mass media is still twisting the facts and telling biased stories about war/terrorism to serve their own interests...

 

Nah. That's just silly.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I wonder if the mass media is still twisting the facts and telling biased stories about war/terrorism to serve their own interests...

 

Nah. That's just silly.

 

So World War II never happened? Or does Ford want to start producing M4A3 Shermans again?

 

Anyway looking foward to this just for the armor action. Beyond that I have no idea how good or bad it will be.

[Jalil]

All this talk about the Tiger being the ultimate tank ... is so wrong. The Tiger was awful, overdesigned and a massive ressource-hog. It was a **** tank. The ONLY two things it got going for it is that it had massive armor (with a stupidly backwards design) and a massive gun. It wasn't a tank, it was a drivable bunker. As a tank, the Sherman for all its numerous shortcomings was a far superiour design (and putting the 17 pounder british AT gun on it made it one of the best tanks in the whole war).

 

 

This won't be a movie that history nuts can enjoy.

 

 

A tank at heart IS a drivable bunker.

 

If your enemies live in terror of your equipment, odds your equipment is pretty darn good. The Americans, the British and the Soviets all lived in terror of the Tiger. It failed because it was available too late in the game in too small numbers. The Tiger's situation is similar in nature to the StG 44. Amazing piece of technology for its time, but too late to save the war effort. Sherman could only beat the Tiger by brutally outmassing and overwhelming the Tiger. The Sherman's gun couldn't even pierce the Tiger's front armor. Sherman crews would have to make the Tigers essentially play whack-a-mole until they could get a good shot at the back of the Tiger to have a chance. The only good things about the Sherman were it was easy to make and easy to fix. It had literally no other advantages over its contemporaries.

 

King Tiger and Elefant were more resource-hoggish and wasteful than the Tiger. King Tiger was underpowered and Elefant was unreliable. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

A tank at heart IS a drivable bunker.

 

If your enemies live in terror of your equipment, odds your equipment is pretty darn good. The Americans, the British and the Soviets all lived in terror of the Tiger. It failed because it was available too late in the game in too small numbers. The Tiger's situation is similar in nature to the StG 44. Amazing piece of technology for its time, but too late to save the war effort. Sherman could only beat the Tiger by brutally outmassing and overwhelming the Tiger. The Sherman's gun couldn't even pierce the Tiger's front armor. Sherman crews would have to make the Tigers essentially play whack-a-mole until they could get a good shot at the back of the Tiger to have a chance. The only good things about the Sherman were it was easy to make and easy to fix. It had literally no other advantages over its contemporaries.

 

King Tiger and Elefant were more resource-hoggish and wasteful than the Tiger. King Tiger was underpowered and Elefant was unreliable. 

 

Yeah I know that. I have blown Tigers in some WW2 games. They were much tougher than Allies Tanks!

[mybudgee]

So World War II never happened? Or does Ford want to start producing M4A3 Shermans again?

 

Anyway looking foward to this just for the armor action. Beyond that I have no idea how good or bad it will be.

Sorry guys. I let my bitterness about current events show a bit. It won't happen again... ITT