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[EmperorSahlertz]

Please. Old CRPGs, TES and FO never show the PC on their box art and show many variation of the PC in trailers and such, so yeah, all Bioware is doing is going back to its roots(Bioware only started showing their PC on covers from JE and on(minus DAO). Even in DAO they showed other variations of the character in trailers and the box art was not of the PC.

 

But nope, it has to do with pleasing the SJW and keeping them silent, it can't be with going back to how it used to be, no sir.

As I said, they aren't doing what they are doing to pander or please anyone. But I am guessign that the reason they chose not to feature an Inquisitor of determined gender in the promotional material, is influenced by the fact that the SJW wouldn't shut up about it otherwise.

And unless my math is off... Then I am pretty sure that the majority of the games BioWare has made, actually featured the protagonist on the box art... Their very first game featured their protagonist's mech suit, so if you talk about roots, then featuring the protagonist on the front of the cover are their roots... All of this is of course disregarding the entire fact that talking about "roots" in art style of their cover box is ridiculous.

 

Far more likely is it, that BioWare simply couldn't be arsed with listening to, and having their forums flooded, with White Knights and SJW screaming form the top of their lungs, like they did prior to ME3.

 

Good riddance to the iconic hero. Your hero is the only one that matters.

What if my hero IS the iconic hero?

[riverbanks]

Their very first game featured their protagonist's mech suit

 

....wait, do you seriously think Mass Effect was BioWare's very first game? Cause it really wasn't. Like... do you think their only games ever have been Mass Effect and Dragon Age? Because that may be where you're getting the wrong idea that BW's "roots" were about playing premade characters over roleplaying your own, or having preset faces on the disk cover.

 

What if my hero IS the iconic hero?

 

Then you're playing an action game with a story, not a roleplaying game. Which is as valid a way to play as any other, for the record - just not really what an RPG is primarily about.

 

In any case, I'd suggest giving it a rest about "White Knights and SJW" and trying to look at it from the positive side that is giving players more creative freedom, but you seem more invested in pointing fingers rather than giving BW credit where it's due, so... you carry on banging that drum.

[Mr.House]

As I said, they aren't doing what they are doing to pander or please anyone. But I am guessign that the reason they chose not to feature an Inquisitor of determined gender in the promotional material, is influenced by the fact that the SJW wouldn't shut up about it otherwise.

And unless my math is off... Then I am pretty sure that the majority of the games BioWare has made, actually featured the protagonist on the box art... Their very first game featured their protagonist's mech suit, so if you talk about roots, then featuring the protagonist on the front of the cover are their roots... All of this is of course disregarding the entire fact that talking about "roots" in art style of their cover box is ridiculous.

 

Far more likely is it, that BioWare simply couldn't be arsed with listening to, and having their forums flooded, with White Knights and SJW screaming form the top of their lungs, like they did prior to ME3.

 

What if my hero IS the iconic hero?

 

There early crpgs(not games, even then, Shattered Steal box was just a mech.), which follow the suit of the classic crpgs, Bethesda and Fallout series games. It is their roots.

[EmperorSahlertz]

....wait, do you seriously think Mass Effect was BioWare's very first game? Cause it really wasn't. Like... do you think their only games ever have been Mass Effect and Dragon Age? Because that may be where you're getting the wrong idea that BW's "roots" were about playing premade characters over roleplaying your own, or having preset faces on the disk cover.

Uhm no?... I was talking about Shattered Steel.. Which featured the protagonist's mech suit on the cover..... So..... Yeah.. If you talk about "roots" of BioWare then there you have it. If BioWare are ever to "return to their "roots"" then they should start doing mech sims again.... So lets not use such terms..

 

Then you're playing an action game with a story, not a roleplaying game. Which is as valid a way to play as any other, for the record - just not really what an RPG is primarily about.

 

In any case, I'd suggest giving it a rest about "White Knights and SJW" and trying to look at it from the positive side that is giving players more creative freedom, but you seem more invested in pointing fingers rather than giving BW credit where it's due, so... you carry on banging that drum.

 

Some of the earliest RPGs also had you in set roles. All you got to decide was how you would react to certain situations. RPG is about playing a role. Wether YOU are the one comming up with the role, or if the role is given to you is irrelevant.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

They do not have iconic looks anymore because we exist in a super politically correct social justice environment where people cannot understand concepts such as iconic and get too touchy about not being represented on a video game art cover or a trailer as opposed to being touchy of issues worth getting touchy about. 

 

Tis' a shame but it is what it is. 

[Tielis]

Until recently, the human male Inquisitor was the star of the show, who seems to be a two-handed warrior. I think it's a good thing that they're branching out a bit. But ultimately I don't really care if there is an 'iconic' version of the Inquisitor. Truth is, they have to use someone for marketing purposes.

 

Exactly.  I don't feel why this is such an issue.  Either you use that look/class/spec or you don't.  I've played through both games a great number of times and have never used the iconic figures, so I thought this would be a fun new thing to do.

 

The male human is cute, though, I'll give him that.  And I'm glad, since I've got huge crushes on the default male Shepard and Hawke looks.

[Zjarcal]

...as opposed to being touchy of issues worth getting touchy about. 

 

Oooh, plz tell us what we should get touchy about, oh great insightful mind!

 

On topic, playing with the default look is lame as hell, couldn't care less about iconic heroes being gone.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

On topic, playing with the default look is lame as hell, couldn't care less about iconic heroes being gone.

 

Usually I agree, but I couldn't make a good female Hawke so I just went with the default once, because she looked nice. That was...the only time I've ever done that. :S

[Zjarcal]

Usually I agree, but I couldn't make a good female Hawke so I just went with the default once, because she looked nice. That was...the only time I've ever done that. :S

 

Well female Hawke was hot, I'll say that much, if you're gonna do it for one then that's the most acceptable case.

 

Still, I may have died inside a tiny bit reading your post (which makes no difference since I'm already dead, but I digress).

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Still, I may have died inside a tiny bit reading your post (which makes no difference since I'm already dead, but I digress).

 

That's the only time I've ever done it, I assure you. :S

 

Usually it bores me, because I don't feel like I'm playing my own character per se, just a different version of a preset one. But meh.

[Hadeedak]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's an SJW?

 

...And personally, I like to see all sorts of characters. I get mightily tired of every protagonist looking vaguely like that dude from Being Human who looks like every video game protagonist. >.>

 

I'm kind of glad we've seen a bit more, and dude-protagonist barely has a face. Not that I'd say no to a trailer, but I think you might be SOL on one trailer-friendly playthrough. Or have to play a few Inquisitors.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Oooh, plz tell us what we should get touchy about, oh great insightful mind!

 

On topic, playing with the default look is lame as hell, couldn't care less about iconic heroes being gone.

 

The "lack of diversity" on iconic game figures should actually be a non issue. Because it is just an icon to be primarily used by marketing and advertising department, it does not change or influence the actual game as a product in any shape or form.

 

Icons are used to target what the publisher deems as its major market base. The majority of the role playing gamers are white men and so the game icons reflected that. Yeah, we have had recent studies showing women being equal to men in when it comes to gaming demographics but that includes all games from Farmville to Sims to Cake Mania. RPG, shooters, action, fantasy games are primarily still a male majority. 

 

In the same way if you go to other consumer products, their icons follow a similar pattern. You see a physically attractive female being the icons of beauty products and lingerie, not because lack of diversity or sexism but simply because the those products are primarily being advertised and marketed to women. 

 

The product icons and their respective marketing departments and advertising departments in no way stop anyone from getting what they want. They are just doing their job of maximizing profits. 

 

So getting all worried about advertising and marketing icons, being politically correct about it to the point of abolishing it makes no sense. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

sadly the most we have seen in trailers is a male Inquisitor BUT in the Stand Together trailer it was a female human inquisitor 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Exactly. My Nerevarine was a Dunmer spellwarrior. My Champion of Cyrodill was an Imperial warrior. My Last Dragonborn was a Nord barbarian. There's nothing wrong with the 'iconic' promotional hero.

Apparently, we've been playing it wrong.

[Hadeedak]

I figured the only wrong way to play was not playing.

 

Or to play Sheploo.

 

(Joking.) (But seriously soldier is the least fun class ever.) (100% srs.)

[Zjarcal]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's an SJW?

 

 

I envy your ignorance.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's an SJW?

Social Justice Warrior. An overzealous person on the internet, quick to denote all sorts of villanious things such as racism, misogeny, inequality and injustice, from the most trivial thing.

 

Example 1: A man is depicted on the cover of a game case.

SJW statement: "Blatant misogeny! How dare they not represent women?"

 

Example 2: Black man is depicted in the background of the white man.

SJW statement: "Blatant racism! They should be represented as equals!"

 

It is important to remember that in both cases the SJW will compeltely disregard pretext, subtext, context and intend of whatever it is he has set his sights on.

[Hadeedak]

Huh. I learned something today.

 

...Given my druthers, the trailer protagonist would be a middle aged female dwarf tank who looks and acts vaguely like John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn.

 

Though I'm guessing that wouldn't shift a lot of product. Beyond to me, and I'm buying the thing anyway. Right back atcha. What should the trailer protagonist be like, if there was one? And, I guess, why should there be one if we're not doing a cinematic trailer this time around?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Huh. I learned something today.

Isn't the internet a glorious thing? 

[Hadeedak]

Well, I do like society. And justice!

 

I'm not sure about war, though.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well, I do like society. And justice!

 

I'm not sure about war, though.

Trust me... Most of us on the recieving end of a SJW's rant weren't even aware that there was a war going on...

[Mr.House]

They do not have iconic looks anymore because we exist in a super politically correct social justice environment where people cannot understand concepts such as iconic and get too touchy about not being represented on a video game art cover or a trailer as opposed to being touchy of issues worth getting touchy about. 

 

Tis' a shame but it is what it is. 

Give me a break. This bs right here needs to stop.

[AresKeith]

They do not have iconic looks anymore because we exist in a super politically correct social justice environment where people cannot understand concepts such as iconic and get too touchy about not being represented on a video game art cover or a trailer as opposed to being touchy of issues worth getting touchy about. 

 

Tis' a shame but it is what it is. 

 

Or maybe Bioware wanted to go back to their roots

 

shocking I know

[Killdren88]

Really? Since when is a iconic poster character that has no barring what so ever on your character so damaging?