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[Ammonite]

Social Justice Warrior. An overzealous person on the internet, quick to denote all sorts of villanious things such as racism, misogeny, inequality and injustice, from the most trivial thing.

It is important to remember that in both cases the SJW will compeltely disregard pretext, subtext, context and intend of whatever it is he has set his sights on.

So... Basically you're all Social INjustice Warriors?

I mean there is some seriously quick-draw tendency to attribute everything to SJWs here, and how dare these people ask for representation...

Just saying...

[Killdren88]

So... Basically you're all Social INjustice Warriors?

I mean there is some seriously quick-draw tendency to attribute everything to SJWs here, and how dare these people ask for representation...

Just saying...

 

I don't understand where your getting this. I mean you can be either gender and play with any skin color and be any orientation you choose. Where is the problem?

[Ammonite]

I don't understand where your getting this. I mean you can be either gender and play with any skin color and be any orientation you choose. Where is the problem?

Just that some here fit the description given for SJW pretty well. Except for being on the other side of the issue so to speak. Found that kinda amusing :1.

[Mr.House]

Really? Since when is a iconic poster character that has no barring what so ever on your character so damaging?

Because there is simply no need to have a poster character in a crpg with a character creator. It's simply a waste of time when you could simply show variations of said PC(which Bioware did in DAO and has done in DAI) and other crpgs and companies like Bethesda do it too.  It's not rocket science.

[Killdren88]

Because there is simply no need to have a poster character in a crpg with a character creator. It's simply a waste of time when you could simply show variations of said PC(which Bioware did in DAO and has done in DAI) and other crpgs and companies like Bethesda do it too.  It's not rocket science.

 

Right I'm not disagreeing with you. Just that with my observations people flip when we are given a Iconic character when it has nothing to do with you. You go on to make your own character and be on your way.

[Zjarcal]

So... Basically you're all Social INjustice Warriors?

 

SJWs vs SINJWs

 

I want a poster for that.

[Mr.House]

Right I'm not disagreeing with you. Just that with my observations people flip when we are given a Iconic character when it has nothing to do with you.

If we have an iconic character, it should at least look good, that was my big issue with Sheploo from ME series (along with the crappy box art for ME2 and 3). He looked horrible to me thus any trailer for ME was ruined by him being there because I did have to look at a character that I think is poorly designed(the fact that it's based on a real person makes it worse too as they did a horrible job replicating it)  instead of using a montage of faces and genders.

[Hadeedak]

I don't mind an iconic character.

 

I will kind of roll my eyes if said iconic character looks pretty much like TrailerHawke!, TrailerWarden, and Sheploo.

 

Not terribly hard or anything, but a little. Just on account of "been there, done that".

[EmperorSahlertz]

So... Basically you're all Social INjustice Warriors?

I mean there is some seriously quick-draw tendency to attribute everything to SJWs here, and how dare these people ask for representation...

Just saying...

Huh?  ..... No?......... The majority of us are just some basic rank ass human beings, who doesn't get their panties in a fit, because they see a character on the front of a video game cover.

 

It isn't about representation. It is about the accusations.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Trailers never have a hero that looks like the one I end up making. I've never cared. I don't pay much attention to marketing, I pay almost all of my attention to the game, itself.

[SardaukarElite]

 

Icons are used to target what the publisher deems as its major market base. The majority of the role playing gamers are white men and so the game icons reflected that. Yeah, we have had recent studies showing women being equal to men in when it comes to gaming demographics but that includes all games from Farmville to Sims to Cake Mania. RPG, shooters, action, fantasy games are primarily still a male majority. 

 

In the same way if you go to other consumer products, their icons follow a similar pattern. You see a physically attractive female being the icons of beauty products and lingerie, not because lack of diversity or sexism but simply because the those products are primarily being advertised and marketed to women. 

 

The product icons and their respective marketing departments and advertising departments in no way stop anyone from getting what they want. They are just doing their job of maximizing profits.

 

Huh, so targeting things at men means more men buy them, and targeting things at women means that more women will buy them. I never thought of that.

 

It makes you think, maybe if like (crazy idea) there was a better balance in the gender of player characters and marketing material for games, more women would buy them, but you'd be pitching to both so men would still buy them as well - thus maximising profits and introducing more people to this wonderful medium. Seems strange no one has thought of that before.

 

I wonder if the same concept works for things like ethnicity, sexuality and political views. Maybe if you pushed it far enough and people are always exposed to a variety of characters in stories and marketing, people will just get over themselves at start embracing things they don't directly relate to.

 

Huh?  ..... No?......... The majority of us are just some basic rank ass human beings, who doesn't get their panties in a fit, because they see a character on the front of a video game cover.

 

 

But you do get your panties in a twist over people discussing issues you haven't bothered to try and understand. You then proceed to rant all over a largely unrelated thread, declaring how they are the aggressive overzealous ones. Bonus points for claiming to speak for the majority.

 

Your McCarthy like dedication to fighting the SJW menace is an inspiration to us all.

[Tielis]

Then you're playing an action game with a story, not a roleplaying game. Which is as valid a way to play as any other, for the record - just not really what an RPG is primarily about.

 

Actually, my Trailer Warden playthrough has seriously been stretching my roleplaying ability.  

 

He's an "ends justify the means" kind of dude and I have never played that way, because "my" characters are either good or neutral.  It's really awesome, as I'm seeing scenes and outcomes that I've never seen before.

 

Also, Trailer Hawke is a Blood Mage, and takes up with Isabela.  Those are also things that I've never explored before.

 

I'm disappointed that Trailer Inquisitor is so flat.  

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

What the heck... guys, look, trailers use pseudo iconic action hero dudes because it's a standard. Some people don't care that it's a standard, and that's fine, they're not badguys. Other people do care that it's a standard, and would like to see more variety, or maybe other types of heroes represented. That's fine too, they're also not badguys.

 

If you don't care one way or the other, why is this even a topic?

 

What we see here is Bioware saying, "Hey, look, Dragon Age is an RPG where players make their own hero. Let's preserve the Inquisitor's mystique because maybe that communicates to a part of the fanbase better." And as feedback goes, that does seem to be the case. It's not really something I've thought about, but the approach they taking with DAI has already made me feel different about my canon.

 

So that's it, really, just Bioware trying to do something nice for people. Calling them out on bending over to the "SJW" brigade, or whatever other ridiculous acronym the internet will think of, is daft. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I don’t think that’s fair.

 

And if I may say, I’ve found the Inquisition trailers to have a stronger emphasis on your followers, which is also a nice change. Promote the people we’ll be interacting with. We had that one that introduced a lot of the new faces, had the lady Inquisitor doing the commentary. It was awesome.

[EmperorSahlertz]

But you do get your panties in a twist over people discussing issues you haven't bothered to try and understand. You then proceed to rant all over a largely unrelated thread, declaring how they are the aggressive overzealous ones. Bonus points for claiming to speak for the majority.

 

Your McCarthy like dedication to fighting the SJW menace is an inspiration to us all.

I don't give two pots of ****** about the SJW... I was explaining to another forum-user what an SJW is... I also think that I DO speak for the majority, when I say that most of us aren't SJWs... Of course I could be wrong... But I doubt that.

 

But I guess that enlightening people about what SJWs actually are, can be considered fighting them... I don't know... As I implied, they aren't logical creatures..

[Allan Schumacher]

Discussions about social justice warriors and whatnot aren't really relevant to Dragon Age campaign and characters.

[Allan Schumacher]

Reading through the thread a bit more closely I did want to add:

 

There's definite "non-SJW" types that have in the past also asked for no iconic protagonist for a variety of reasons (usually because the game is about customization and character creation and some sort of thing like that).

 

 

Please exercise caution in your assumptions as to who is or is not in favour of something like this which are likely going to be heavily skewed by your own world view and the biases that are implicit within.