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[Cespar]

Anders isn't crazy in my eyes, but he's just really passionate about his cause, which people on the outside looking in may think they're crazy. HK-47 and Minsc are crazy.

[Han Shot First]

If they went with a crazy companion I'd rather they went with a character who was fun..like the Russian in Armageddon or Stephen from Braveheart.

[Revan Reborn]

I wouldn't say Anders was crazy. He was always a bit of a troublemaker, but he really wasn't crazy in Awakening. More so it was the entirety of Kirkwall and its leadership that were in denial of the city's problems and unwilling to reform or change for the benefits of the people. I think that chaos and seeing how utterly terrible the situation was is what compelled Anders to do some "crazy" things.

 

Would a crazy companion work? That would depend on their backstory. A demon from the fade? Perhaps? A person who was corrupted by the taint of Darkspawn blood, but didn't perish? A crazy dwarf that just goes charging in without any consideration of the consequences? Well, we already had Oghren for that.

 

There are possibilities. My only stipulation is that this character would need to have great chemistry with the rest of the companions, as well as the player character. If they are just a wild card that's a lose cannon and is entirely unreliable? It would not work.

[Magdalena11]

Define crazy.  There's a court jester we can hire, if there's any truth to the judgments thread, and if worse comes to worse, Leliana never denied she was a nut case.  My inquisitors are probably going to be mostly self-sufficient in the crazy department, but there's still the possibility of Sandal.

[Mr.House]

We don't know the entire cast that well yet in Inquisition, but none of them strike me as lunatic fighting for their cause and ours type. Its kind of hard to describe what im looking for in such a character. I mean of course my own vision is a mix of the Joker (of Batman fame) and if at all possible renegade Commander Shepard (Femshep or Sheploo)

Let me introduce to you to a loony called Anders in DA2. I love crazy and he was too much for me, maybe you'll get with him better.

[AstraDrakkar]

From what I understand, Cole does some pretty crazy things, according to Bioware reports.

[Mr.House]

I wouldn't say Anders was crazy. He was always a bit of a troublemaker, but he really wasn't crazy in Awakening. More so it was the entirety of Kirkwall and its leadership that were in denial of the city's problems and unwilling to reform or change for the benefits of the people. I think that chaos and seeing how utterly terrible the situation was is what compelled Anders to do some "crazy" things.

No, Anders turned batshit insane thanks to merging with a spirit and corrupting it into a demon of vengeance and losing himself.

[Revan Reborn]

From what I understand, Cole does some pretty crazy things, according to Bioware reports.

Cole comes across as being more of a sociopath than outright crazy. At the very least, we could argue he has some social deficiencies that would make him questionable. Sera is a bit on edge though. She's a bit of a firecracker and we could potentially argue she may fit into the crazy department a little bit. Leliana certainly is, in a more serious regard.

[chrislynn]

This is a quote from Jennifer Hepler, Anders' writer that I found. I think she made other references as well but I don't like assuming a writer's intentions towards a character without direct quotes. 

 

"As the writer of Anders, and many other aspects of DAII, I found this an interesting and thoughtful examination of what we tried to do with the game. I do find it odd, though, that Anders is not discussed in regards to the treatment of the mentally ill. For me, that is primarily what his relationship is about — the difficulties of loving and trying to help someone who struggles with a part of himself that he cannot control and may never be able to control. It is certainly the experience I drew from when writing him, and I think it uses the fantasy setting in the way I most prefer to see — providing a magical metaphor for exploring real-world problems. To me, this is the central feature of his character — not whether he is gay or straight, but the inner demons (personified as Justice/Vengeance), which both he and you, as his lover, must struggle against every day."

http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=4823

 

Based on this, I would not call Anders exactly stable and it is not a fun ride. It is not meant to be. 

 

[Revan Reborn]

No, Anders turned batshit insane thanks to merging with a spirit and corrupting it into a demon of vengeance and losing himself.

I believe that's a very one-layered way of looking at the character if you don't critically observe the events that occur in the game. Basing off what we know from Anders beyond just DA2, but also in Awakening, as well as Justice, I believe there is much more substance than DA2 would suggest. Anders certainly has moments of weakness and instability due to his conflicting views between what is right and wrong. To say he is entirely crazy though, is I believe missing a large point of the character entirely.

 

He certainly has flaws, but he also seems to have a lot more sense than most of the people in Kirkwall. His methods may be seen as extreme, but considering the effectiveness of execution, I couldn't say he was crazy. To suggest he is crazy is to state nothing he does has a practical purpose or leads to anything of substance. That is not the case. If anything, Anders is very calculating with regard to what his goals are. If anyone was crazy, it was the people and leadership of Kirkwall for naively thinking that templars and mages could coexist permanently under the current conditions.

[Mihura]

No.

I think there is enough **** already out there for people with metal health problems, I would not like to see that kinda of things being tread as a joke or as a synonym for criminality. For once I hope they deal with Ironbull PTSD and Cole in a more respectable and serious way.

[Dusksworn]

I believe that's a very one-layered way of looking at the character if you don't critically observe the events that occur in the game. Basing off what we know from Anders beyond just DA2, but also in Awakening, as well as Justice, I believe there is much more substance than DA2 would suggest. Anders certainly has moments of weakness and instability due to his conflicting views between what is right and wrong. To say he is entirely crazy though, is I believe missing a large point of the character entirely.

 

He certainly has flaws, but he also seems to have a lot more sense than most of the people in Kirkwall. His methods may be seen as extreme, but considering the effectiveness of execution, I couldn't say he was crazy. To suggest he is crazy is to state nothing he does has a practical purpose or leads to anything of substance. That is not the case. If anything, Anders is very calculating with regard to what his goals are. If anyone was crazy, it was the people and leadership of Kirkwall for naively thinking that templars and mages could coexist permanently under the current conditions.

I think the leaders of Kirkwall thought the Mages and Templars could change the current conditions through talking and compromises.

[TheChosenOne]

If you mean "crazy" as in mentally unstable...no...that's either going to be messy (Anders) or just offensive, tbh. 

 

If you mean like a neurotic Chaotic Evil or Trickster or other such character....I am totally down with that. 

 

I want a Chaotic neutral character that joins the Inquisition, not because he wants to help people, but just to see **** get fucked up.

 

Much like this fellow ....... 

 

[SamanthaJ]

Cole comes across as being more of a sociopath than outright crazy. At the very least, we could argue he has some social deficiencies that would make him questionable. Sera is a bit on edge though. She's a bit of a firecracker and we could potentially argue she may fit into the crazy department a little bit. Leliana certainly is, in a more serious regard.

While I agree that Cole has social deficiencies I do not think he is a sociopath. He doesn't meet many of the DSM-V criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. He is not remorseless or without empathy and he cares about the safety of others. He also shows less of his less ideal traits as he grows as a character, something that would not occur in someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder.

 

Also, I'm begging everyone. Please have care with the language you use when discussing people with mental issues. Crazy, lunatic, etc. are not very nice terms.

[Han Shot First]

If it's a crazy character like Oddball, sign me up.

 

[Wolfen09]

I even found fenris borderline crazy at times....  if fenris didnt whine so much and maybe add a little more hatred, hed be DA's trevor phillips

[Gallimatia]

Leliana like Jack is a nutcase in name only. Few of their actions come across as especially crazy. It's not like they declared war on drugs with a twelve man squad or killed a family of peasants because they lost a sword.

[Savvie]

Anders was crazy and he drove me crazy in DA 2, I just got tired of him very quickly. I preferred Awakening Anders any day over DA 2 Anders. I wouldn't necessarily agree that we need another crazy character, but we will have to wait and see if Vivienne surprises us with her supposed hidden agenda.

[Ryzaki]

I'm really hoping Vivi ends up being a BDH. Yeah her agenda is secret. But it's to help the protagonist and she didn't want him/her to give up the game to early. No mustache twirling just plain old gotta fool your friends to fool your enemies.

[Magdalena11]

Leliana like Jack is a nutcase in name only. Few of their actions come across as especially crazy. It's not like they declared war on drugs with a twelve man squad or killed a family of peasants because they lost a sword.

The guardian of the ashes tells Leliana that her vision is a delusion that she made up to feel important, and she can't deny it, and at the end, if you tell her it wasn't the Maker, she admits that, no, it wasn't, but it sounds more dramatic that way.  She's a faulty vessel, but she's allowed to redeem herself because people let her.  In Leliana's Song, when she wakes up in jail, Dorothea admits that she was compromised and Leliana did her a favor, and Leliana switches loyalty from Marjolaine to Dorothea in that moment.  She's the Inquisition's spy-master, for crying out loud.  She's no sweet young thing that fell on unfortunate times.  What she tells you and what she's done are two different things entirely.  She comes with a story, but if you play Leliana's Song, it's different in a few key ways from reality.  I think, like Cole, she's gotten so used to the lie, she's forgotten the truth.  Wardens that harden her can tell her that she shouldn't run from what she is, but she does eventually figure it out for herself.  I really hope they make it abundantly clear, this time around, that she really is a scumbag that hides behind a tissue of lies and false piety.

 

Thinking about it, I don't think Leliana's insane.  Hopefully, her true nature will be a little more obvious this time.

[Gallimatia]

All examples of how she's not crazy. If she was dead certain that the Maker had spoken to her, uncapable of shifting loyalties or unable to hold a position of power then there would be more reason to question her sanity.

[Magdalena11]

All examples of how she's not crazy. If she was dead certain that the Maker had spoken to her, uncapable of shifting loyalties or unable to hold a position of power then she there would be more reason to question her sanity.

As I might have said, I'll be bringing my own crazy.  I just think that crazy is a relative term.  There will be a lot of characters that come with conflicts, and some of those conflicts will be unpalatable to some fans.

[animedreamer]

This is a quote from Jennifer Hepler, Anders' writer that I found. I think she made other references as well but I don't like assuming a writer's intentions towards a character without direct quotes. 

 

"As the writer of Anders, and many other aspects of DAII, I found this an interesting and thoughtful examination of what we tried to do with the game. I do find it odd, though, that Anders is not discussed in regards to the treatment of the mentally ill. For me, that is primarily what his relationship is about — the difficulties of loving and trying to help someone who struggles with a part of himself that he cannot control and may never be able to control. It is certainly the experience I drew from when writing him, and I think it uses the fantasy setting in the way I most prefer to see — providing a magical metaphor for exploring real-world problems. To me, this is the central feature of his character — not whether he is gay or straight, but the inner demons (personified as Justice/Vengeance), which both he and you, as his lover, must struggle against every day."

http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=4823

 

Based on this, I would not call Anders exactly stable and it is not a fun ride. It is not meant to be. 

 

I get what shes trying to say, but that doesn't strike me as nuts. Rather again more him not being able to control his rage, anger issues, like she mentions he's struggling against the issues his surroundings are presenting him, namely bondage, and persecution for something you have no control over. He didn't blow up the Chantry because he wanted to see the pretty fireworks, he blew it up to force a confrontation so that the world would finally pay attention to the issues its been ignoring.

[dantares83]

another Anders?

 

the gamers here will riot about lack of consequences for the choices again!