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[Daylen Amell]

Will having the Templar specialization in the game have a lyrium addiction mechanic tied to it? The way it could work is once you have the specialization if you don't use a lyrium potion within a given time you are unable to use Templar abilities and suffer withdrawal penalties. I know that lyrium addiction was meant to be in Origins, but was scrapped.

 

David Gaider in another post said, "The implementation we had was that, if the addiction developed, the use of lyrium had diminishing returns. You needed more and got less. The problem we encountered, as you point out, is that mages pretty much needed to drink lyrium potions. Addiction was practically guaranteed. So there needed to be some method of dealing with the addiction without rendering it pointless, and ideally some kind of story implication...

 

...and you can see why it suddenly became costly. If we could come up with some other implementation that was meaningful, I'd like to see return in the future -- it was something templar characters were meant to face as well as mages, after all. Suggestions would be welcome... though perhaps in another thread."

 

The question is can or should Bioware put this addiction aspect into the game play of Inquisition. I would like this especially story wise, and hopefully with the Frostbite engine they can do more and get around the previously encountered problems.

[Magdalena11]

It was talked about in the sense that it's not going to be an issue.  In terms of lore, yes it makes sense.  Templars get their special abilities through lyrium use.  But implementing that kind of mechanic would present a problem in terms of balance, if nothing else.  Mages don't have to memorize spells, and food/water and light sources don't need to be carried around by anyone.  What seems like a good idea would probably just turn into a headache.

[Panda]

I doubt it will carry to gameplay but lorewise your templar should be templar, with being addicted to lyrium and all that. Templar specialisation to me is so big that it'd need some mention from the NPC's or companions, it's similar to blood magic in that sense. I still doubt it, most likely we just need to headcanon that our templar quizzy was templar trainee without being full templar at all or that someone just randomly teached them things and they started popping lyrium.

[Wolfen09]

well, if they replaced a templar's stamina bar with a mana bar and gave penalties when mana bar is used up, it could work in a sense....  but because the other classes wouldnt have a similar penalty, it seems kind of unfair....  more than likely they would come out and say, everytime you make camp or return to skyhold your inquisitor takes a potion *off screen or something*.

[Icy Magebane]

well, if they replaced a templar's stamina bar with a mana bar and gave penalties when mana bar is used up, it could work in a sense....  but because the other classes wouldnt have a similar penalty, it seems kind of unfair....  more than likely they would come out and say, everytime you make camp or return to skyhold your inquisitor takes a potion *off screen or something*.

Beyond that, the Templar would realistically need both a mana and a stamina bar, since normal attacks wouldn't require mana... it really just seems like too much work for no real payoff.  Lyrium addiction is cool in theory, and it should be part of the lore, but if the class had flaws like this, it would need to be OP in combat or else nobody would bother.  I agree that something offscreen would be a fair compromise.  Maybe a side quest where we have to negotiate with the Chantry or Carta for better prices...

[veeia]

I know they will have reactivity to your specializations, but I think a special Templar mechanic like that is beyond the scope of the game. I wouldn't expect anything like that, but it will be interesting to see how that's addressed in game (if at all) for a PC who chooses that specialty. Templars and Blood Mages seem like the most inconsistently applied, in terms of story vs gameplay content, and since they cut BM for that reason, I'm assuming they have plans for Templars. Those plans could just be mages reacting to you, but the lyrium angle could come up too. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

No, it's one of those lore/gameplay segregation things. It's a subject that warrants attention in the story (your Templar inquisitor could have a conversation with Cullen about handling the addiction), but in combat it should be treated like any other ability.

[RobRam10]

I doubt Bioware would cripple a spec.

[HK-90210]

I know that they left the blood mage spec in the dust partially because there were a lot of complaints about Hawke/Warden being a blood mage with no real dialogue reflecting this. I think Bioware is prepared to have our specializations actually be a reflections of story choices. All we really know is that our companions don't teach them(at least, not all of them), and you only get one. I'm guessing that it isn't just a simple, 'reach lvl 8, get your specialization' deal. I'm hoping for something a little more sophisticated.

[wcholcombe]

I know that they left the blood mage spec in the dust partially because there were a lot of complaints about Hawke/Warden being a blood mage with no real dialogue reflecting this. I think Bioware is prepared to have our specializations actually be a reflections of story choices. All we really know is that our companions don't teach them(at least, not all of them), and you only get one. I'm guessing that it isn't just a simple, 'reach lvl 8, get your specialization' deal. I'm hoping for something a little more sophisticated.

They took out blood mage, because they hadn't found a good way to impart the negative aspects of being a blood mage, not just the conversation aspects.  Plus, the lore on blood magic is going in so many conflicting directions that they wisely choose to remove it until they get the lore straightened out.

 

As for being a Templar, I know Gaider has made reference to wanting more of those types of consequences to show up in game, so who knows, maybe it will exist in some way.  If nothing else, maybe there is a timer that you eat a lyrium potion every so often.  If you don't you can't use your powers.

[TheJediSaint]

Snorting lines and oppressing mages.  That's how an Templar should roll.

[Lulupab]

Also you are not joining the Templar order, you are acquiring Templar abilities. If it was the former then it would make sense but alas it isn't. You can be pro-mage warrior with Templar abilities.

[Helios969]

It would be cool. I'd like a blood mage class with a mechanism to go abomination if one misjudges. It's understandable why they don't do such things though.

[The Baconer]

I don't see the point of weaving in a game mechanic dedicated to it, but I definitely expect it to come up in the story at some point.

[TheEternalStudent]

It's possible i might tie into Cassandra's companion quest, but beyond that I doubt it.
Though it would be funny if people start complaining about the Inquisitor's lyrium breath.

[The Baconer]

It's possible i might tie into Cassandra's companion quest, but beyond that I doubt it.
Though it would be funny if people start complaining about the Inquisitor's lyrium breath.

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I think Cullen would be more likely. Cassandra hasn't even been officially confirmed to be a former Templar.

[TheEternalStudent]

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I think Cullen would be more likely. Cassandra hasn't even been officially confirmed to be a former Templar.

True about Cullen, though she was/is a Seeker of Truth, an elite subsection of Templars.

They still are expected to hunt down particularly nasty abominations, and are under the Chantry's rule.

[The Baconer]

True about Cullen, though she was/is a Seeker of Truth, an elite subsection of Templars.

They still are expected to hunt down particularly nasty abominations, and are under the Chantry's rule.

 

Sure, but that doesn't mean she was part of the order before her recruitment. The Divine's left hand, Leliana certainly wasn't.

[TheEternalStudent]

Sure, but that doesn't mean she was part of the order before her recruitment. The Divine's left hand, Leliana certainly wasn't.

Lelianna also wasn't a seeker, or expected to chase down abominations or apostates. She was expected to feret out secrets and represent the Divine in the shadows. Things (I don't think) lyrium helps with.

[The Baconer]

Lelianna also wasn't a seeker, or expected to chase down abominations or apostates. She was expected to feret out secrets and represent the Divine in the shadows. Things (I don't think) lyrium helps with.

 

Well, they sent her to Kirkwall to kill some maleficar, so...

[Hydwn]

As others have said, it would crippling to have it as a game mechanic.  

 

It didn't really matter for DAO because all the action takes place over a year, and I got the impression the addiction is something that takes years to manifest.  Templar Hawke and Carver are a bit more of a head-scratcher, since you can easily hit level 7 and specialize in your first year and Templar Carver becomes one in year 2, and the game takes place over 7 years.  

 

I've been assuming that inquisition would be like the MEs and DAO and take place over a nebulous 1-year period, but I realize now I don't actually have anything to base that assumption on except precedent.

 

I do have to say that I like it as a symbol that Templars get addicted to lyrium.  It's basically dreamstuff, and they become addicted to dreams, lost in ideals

[Br3admax]

Also you are not joining the Templar order, you are acquiring Templar abilities. If it was the former then it would make sense but alas it isn't. You can be pro-mage warrior with Templar abilities.

What does that have to do with anything. Lyrium is still required to learn Templar abilities. 

[wcholcombe]

What does that have to do with anything. Lyrium is still required to learn Templar abilities. 

I believe Lulu was replying to TheJediSaint's comment about snorting lyrium and oppressing mages.

[Lulupab]

What does that have to do with anything. Lyrium is still required to learn Templar abilities.

DA2 lore mentions Hakwe gets it from "friends in low places". I thought someone becoming Templar on their own can have an effect on finding Lyrium. and what wcholcombe said above.

[Br3admax]

DA2 lore mentions Hakwe gets it from "friends in low places". I thought someone becoming Templar on their own can have an effect on finding Lyrium. and what wcholcombe said above.

Nah, Cullen's getting lyrium so the PC obviously wouldn't have a problem. So are the rogue Templars.