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#76
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ahh such grace did an interesting interpretation of the tarot cards:

 

Blackwall- Judgement

 

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Vivienne- High Priestess

 

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Dorian- The Magician

 

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Sera- The Tower

 

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Iron Bull- The Devil

 

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Whee, I'm looking forward to some serious analysis on these cards when I'm not at work.

That would make sense, but the variation between the cards is very large, which is why I am skeptical.

The "old" card might have just been a placeholder so that they could do a demo with him without spoiling the return of griffons.

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should be here somewhere unless it got closed.

 

 

This one?  http://forum.bioware...em-tarot-cards/


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Vivienne's staff turns into a snake.

 

...snakes are usually associated with traitors and liars. 

 

She also has a hidden agenda.



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So, as ninetozero posted on page two, the advisers have their own cards.  I've re-posted it here for the sake of convenience, and have added it to the main post.

 

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No idea if these are the finalized versions, but looking them over I thought I might point out that Josephine appears to have a leminscate in her card, floating above what I believe is likely a quill.  This evokes a theme of Strength, as the infinity symbol is usually floating over the maiden's head.  While Strength depicts an animal's mouth being coaxed open, such as a lion, I believe the pen suggests her role as a diplomat, or coercion through willpower and projection of inner strength, rather than physical force.  Strength was also called Fortitude, historically, which I believe is an apt descriptor of Josephine.

 

I'm a bit lost on Leliana at this point, but others have suggested that she might be The Sun.  The general shape around her card is much like a starburst design, so I can see why people might feel this way.  I wanted to say she might be The Star, based mostly on its meaning.  The Star is a card interpreted as a symbol of inspiration, hope and faith to get you through difficult situations.  It is belief in both a deity and in your own ability to make things happen.  Based on its appearance, everything is dark in color, excepting the circle around Leliana, which is bright and luminous, much like a star is in the middle of the night.

 

As for Cullen, I'm thinking The Chariot works best for him, even if I think his card also suggests a bit of The Emperor in its aesthetics.  The Chariot is a card of power and force, but it is also one bound to emotions.  Its core traits are discipline, triumph over positive and negative emotions, and conquering fears.  Given what he's experienced in the past, I believe Cullen is emerging in his leadership role because he's growing out of those fears and learning from them, rather than letting them control him.  "The Chariot's appearance is often the herald of victory through discipline and confidence, a moment where all opposition lies defeated."  Fitting for our military adviser!


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Not much of a card know-about-ter-er myself, but these are mighty pretty. I love the lot of'em.

 

Graphically the game is impressive enough now to actually use more traditional art to build gateways into the 3D, without the 2D feeling more visually substantial. It's all building a very nice vibe to the game.



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So, most people seem to think Cullen's the chariot. Am I the only one who sees Temperance as a possibility? He's seen both extremes of the mage-templar conflict, and now seems inclined to something more balanced. Not that I know that much about Tarot, but to me, that's the core of his DA story so far.



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So, most people seem to think Cullen's the chariot. Am I the only one who sees Temperance as a possibility? He's seen both extremes of the mage-templar conflict, and now seems inclined to something more balanced. Not that I know that much about Tarot, but to me, that's the core of his DA story so far.

I believe Temperance is a good choice as well.  Temperance is a card of reconstruction and "filling in the gaps" of what has been destroyed by Death.  And the red and white symbology is there as well in Cullen's card.  The card is also suggestive of, having experienced two extremes of a conflict (as you point out with the Mage-Templar conflict, and also with Kirkwall), finding moderation between them.  But it would also suggest compromise, where two halves come together to make one entity.  Personally I cannot see our military adviser working out compromises - that seems more of Josephine's thing.  So while it fits with Cullen's inner conflict, it feels a bit dissonant with his role in the Inquisition.  That's why I personally prefer The Chariot.


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Just wondering what the other cards will look like. Celene as the Empress is obligatory! 

And Wade and Herren as the Lovers...? :P

 

Let Varric be the Hanged Man, please. *fingers crossed*

Can we buy the cards separately? (Think I already know the answer...)



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Can we buy the cards separately? (Think I already know the answer...)

 

If I remember right some of devs answered while ago that they are thinking about it. Take it with grain of salt though, I'm not sure at all.


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So, most people seem to think Cullen's the chariot. Am I the only one who sees Temperance as a possibility? He's seen both extremes of the mage-templar conflict, and now seems inclined to something more balanced. Not that I know that much about Tarot, but to me, that's the core of his DA story so far.

Nah he isn't Temperance. Viv's got the cup on her card which is the most common motif of Temperance cards. I do not get how anyone sees Chariot from his card as it is lacking....well a chariot of any kind. Currently leaning towards Justice for Cullen, although Blackwall's new card sort of undercuts my argument there (the sword).

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I thought Blackwall's new card was the griffon one?

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I thought Blackwall's new card was the griffon one?

Yes, my argument for Cullen as Justice boils down to he has a Sword and the only major arcana with a sword is Justice. However the new Blackwall card has a sword (although less prominent) undercutting the argument that only Cullen has a sword. I still think he is Justice, but the argument is weaker.

This would be a lot easier if they weren't removing common elements from cards (like the lion from strength) and adding common elements from some cards to different cards (like adding a halo to the Hermit but not Temperance). >.>

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The art styles for these cards are just gorgeous. They remind me a little of 70s & 80s animated fantasy.  I would hope the game could retain some of that enchantment.. between the fingers of grim and dark.

What influences do you think these cards/game have? I'd be interested to read others take on it.



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yes, thank you



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Nah he isn't Temperance. Viv's got the cup on her card which is the most common motif of Temperance cards. I do not get how anyone sees Chariot from his card as it is lacking....well a chariot of any kind. Currently leaning towards Justice for Cullen, although Blackwall's new card sort of undercuts my argument there (the sword).

I'm paying less attention to the symbolism on the cards (since his isn't immediately obvious) and more to his personal story and how it relates to the meanings of the cards. While I can understand why some people might not see him as comfortable with compromise, I actually see him as open to it...if you convince him. But as I said, I don't know that much about Tarot myself, and maybe I'm not taking the specific symbolisms on the cards seriously enough.



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I'm paying less attention to the symbolism on the cards (since his isn't immediately obvious) and more to his personal story and how it relates to the meanings of the cards. While I can understand why some people might not see him as comfortable with compromise, I actually see him as open to it...if you convince him. But as I said, I don't know that much about Tarot myself, and maybe I'm not taking the specific symbolisms on the cards seriously enough.

*shrug* I barely know what the symbolism represents, but you can easily find samples of the cards online to look for repeating elements like the crawfish for moon.

And really trying to guess based on what we know of the characters can get to be silly as you can easily construct arguments for most chars to be five different major arcana as the major arcana are very....squishy. Except for Iron Bull, calling his card as the Devil was so easy that it was funny.

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*shrug* I barely know what the symbolism represents, but you can easily find samples of the cards online to look for repeating elements like the crawfish for moon.

And really trying to guess based on what we know of the characters can get to be silly as you can easily construct arguments for most chars to be five different major arcana as the major arcana are very....squishy. Except for Iron Bull, calling his card as the Devil was so easy that it was funny.

And Cassandra as Death.



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A thought occurred to me as I was looking at the cards. There are 22 Major Arcana cards, and 13 of them are our companions and advisers. That leaves nine more. Assuming the inquisitor is possibly a card, that leaves eight more people, meaning there are eight more major characters in the game we don't know about. (Or do we?) Questions is, do we know who some of them could be?

 

My guess, Celene is likely Empress while Gaspard is Emperor. The Elder One, The World?


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A thought occurred to me as I was looking at the cards. There are 22 Major Arcana cards, and 13 of them are our companions and advisers. That leaves nine more. Assuming the inquisitor is possibly a card, that leaves eight more people, meaning there are eight more major characters in the game we don't know about. (Or do we?) Questions is, do we know who some of them could be?

My guess, Celene is likely Empress while Gaspard is Emperor. The Elder One, The World?

Right now I'm betting on the Inq as the World. Might change that if I can figure a better fit for Sera than the fool. Not sure on The Elder One. Tower maybe? Wheel of Fate?

Some other possible non-party arcana would be the Divine as the Heirophant and Corypheus (again, Tower maybe).

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another one here



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Added the links to these threads to the main post.  Thought I might give credit where it was due.  ;)


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Alright I am home now which means time to analyze the heck out of these new ones and rehash the ones that have been done a million times before!

 

Ones that have been done to Death!

Cassandra- Death because black armor and pale horse

Solas- Hermit because he has a flame and a staff (and because my long shot guess of Temperance is out now)
Cole- Moon because crawfish

Varric- Still no good clues. I can't help but wonder if this might be a placeholder/old image like the old Blackwall one because there is nothing in here that connects with any particular Arcana that I can see. Closest idea might be Lovers, but I still consider it to be a stretch

Leliana- Still looks like the sun, and I still feel like there is a swerve here that I am missing

Cullen- Still going with Justice as there is barely anything going on to interpret

 

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Josephine- Strength since Magician is now taken, feels weird though since she doesn't have a lion with her

 

New Ones

Blackwall- Judgement, although I admit I would have missed how obvious this one is had others not pointed it out. Instead of a trumpet, he has a screeching griffon. Instead of dead people raising their hands in praise over their resurrection he has Darkspawn holding their hands up in fear. I really like this inversion of the normal Judgement set up (probably my favorite card atm)

Iron Bull- Devil because horns. The money also fits, but it isn't traditionally on the card. Hurts that it doesn't have an inversion of the Lovers on it also, but if Varric is the Lovers that would have been very hard to do, so meh.

Dorian- Magician so much that it hurts (infinity symbol)

Viv- Temperance. This was the one I was most iffy on without reviewing every card because there is a lot going on on it, so I might have missed something. However after looking at traditional versions of all of the cards, the only thing that I am seeing any connection with is the Cup which is associated with Temperance. In reviewing the thread I have seen some comments suggesting she could be the High Priestess. I can certainly see the rational, but I'm sticking with Temperance all the same.

Sera- Fool. I don't see anything else she could be. She is not the Tower because the essence of the tower is the Tower's destruction and that is nowhere on that card. Her bow matches the walking stick of the fool fairly well, and she is in a walking pose. If the Moon wasn't taken I could almost put her there with the mountain and building as the two towers in the Moon card's background, but Cole is the Moon so that is a no go.

 

Remaining Arcana with some guesses to who gets them

High Priestess

Empress (Celene)

Emperor (Gaspard)

Heirophant (The Divine)

Chariot (Briala)

Wheel of Fortune

Hanged Man (Corypheus)

Tower (The Elder One)

Star (actually could see an interesting interpretation of the Elder One as star, but sticking with Tower for now)

World (Inquisitor)


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#99
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A thought occurred to me as I was looking at the cards. There are 22 Major Arcana cards, and 13 of them are our companions and advisers. That leaves nine more. Assuming the inquisitor is possibly a card, that leaves eight more people, meaning there are eight more major characters in the game we don't know about. (Or do we?) Questions is, do we know who some of them could be?

 

My guess, Celene is likely Empress while Gaspard is Emperor. The Elder One, The World?

This is a good point, actually.  And I have to wonder if the minor arcana's Court cards will get anything as well (such as King, Queen, Knight and Page for each)?

 

I'm almost certain that Celene will be The Empress, although I'm not certain its interpretation fits well for her.  I could see Gaspard as both The Emperor and The Hierophant.  I have no clue for the Elder One, so your guess is as good as mine!

 

I think The Tower might end up being represented by the Mage-Templar summit and the subsequent ker-plosion that takes place there.  As The Tower is symbolic of hope (peace talks), it is shown being destroyed (the Breach).  "What you have fabricated falls down, and there is little you can do to avoid the situation or repair it.  Yet you can begin again, and be all the stronger for it."



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The more I look at these and go through my own tarot sets looking for familiar markers, the more I think Josie is the Empress, Cullen is the Emperor, and Leliana is the High Priestess.

 

Josephine as Empress and Cullen as Emperor is pretty self-explanatory by the nature of their characters. The imagery fits well (what with her looking so feminine, surrounded by flowers; and him looking stern and carrying the war banner), and what we know of their little rivalry fitting in with the complementary nature of Empress/Emperor too. Leliana as High Priestess might be a harder sell at first glance, but the raven and the hood are rather common markers for this arcana, and the "sunburst" could actually be the Priestess' moon crown such as in depictions like this:

 

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I have at least three different Priestesses with a halo for a moon crown like that. Not to mention that Leliana matches a lot of things commonly associated with the HP like self reclusion, bearing secrets, coming across as rather cold but having invaluable insights, carrying old traditions and lore (from her Blight days), etc. It does fit a lot better than The Sun, which I just can't see in her character anymore. Maybe at the time of DAO, but not as she is now.

 

When you think about it, too, this triad is only appropriate for the figures who would be our Inquisitor's main mentors/advisors throughout the Fool's journey.