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[TheKomandorShepard]

I think long terms problems may don't matter for ferelden as they may end poorly with current problems pretty much after orlesian war , civil war and blight now they are pretty much in center of breach good luck for them to recover from that.

 

But on topic i doubt it will matter because either there will be descendant or there won't for every scenario bio isn't very good in creating separate word dependings on your choices so often choices go in 1 direction no matter what you did.

 

 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

If they die heir-less, make Fergus Cousland or his heirs king. He was a good bloke, his father was a very popular choice for king even when the Theirin line was around, and I'm sure he'd do fine.

 

And that's coming from someone who isn't even a human noble player. :S

[AresKeith]

Give the crowd to the Couslands if there is no heir

[Augustei]

Cailan was the son of the legendary "Maric the Savior" and yet his sucession was not certain with many of the nobility preferring Bryce.

In my canon, My Warden broke the Theirin line (Pretty crappy line tbh) and took the throne with the Mac Tirs.... If the Mac Tir line dies out they should give the throne to the other house already on it =P

 

By the time Anora dies though, Eamon will be quite old and his heirs are mages. Teagan is not greatly popular among the nobles like his brother as far as we are aware, And we also know little of Fergus's popularity.

Fergus is now A high ranking official in the Ferelden army as we've learned from banter with Oghren, Whereas Teagan is a foreign ambassador to Orlais.
It will be hard for Teagan to forge proper alliances from Val Royeaux, Fergus however could gain the loyalty of the Ferelden army. What with him being friends with their ex-general (Oghren) and potentially having a sibling on the throne already.

If I were to bet I'd favor the Couslands over the Guerrins, but who knows perhaps another powerful house might come along and try to snatch it for themselves?
The only possible outliers I could see however would be one of the Arlings, the chance of A Bann taking the throne would be minimal.
So we have:

The Wulffs of West Hills: very unlikely imo, Wulff was a cold man and not loved to any real great degree, Not to mention his lands are poor meagre and isolated.

The Brylands of South Reach: Tis' certainly possible this one, Bryland did seem popular to at least some degree, and his lands are quite respectable in size meaning he could potentially have a good amount of wealth.

The Wardens: I doubt this would happen, The Wardens attempt to (though often fail at *cough* Drakon *cough*) being Neutral. But they are greatly loved across the land and revered as saviors. Not to mention they have great wealth with Amaranthine trade now rivaling The Free Marches enough for their Viscount to turn to the felicissima armada for help and try to hire them. But still them taking the throne would be extremely risky and very very highly likely to backfire, so I wouldnt put my money on The Wardens.

Anyway my bets are still on the Couslands

[Aimi]

Give the throne to the Mayor of the Palace. He can probably command enough support in the army assembly Landsmeet.

[dgcatanisiri]

Well, if Anora is ruling on her own or with the Cousland Warden, then the bloodline is already out of the picture. The Landsmeet would squabble but eventually appoint a new ruler to the throne. My money would be on Fergus Cousland being one of the forerunners for the job, given the Landsmeet appreciation of his father. By the time this is an issue, I think Eamon would have retired, and Teagan seems unlikely to argue with the Landsmeet, just for his own advancement. So I think he'd probably go along with it.

 

In scenarios where Alistair is on the throne (with or without Anora), then I doubt they wouldn't have approached the Circle, but because his issues would be tied to the taint, and the Wardens aren't known for having children of their own, I don't think there's a lot of research on matters of increasing Warden fertility rates. Though it could easily have been that Cailan was the one shooting blanks and Anora's perfectly capable of producing a child (I've always supported this theory, honestly), so there's a chance that they could still have a child at some point. There might be magical aids that increased the natural fertility rate of women, just not the Wardens' taint.

[TheJediSaint]

Give the crowd to the Couslands if there is no heir

Fergus the First has a nice ring to it.

[Jazzpha]

Well, all illustrious lines usually end at some point due to inferior descendants messing up the mojo (the Medici in Florence and the end of the Julio-Claudian line in Ancient Rome spring to mind most readily, lol Nero).

 

If Cousland takes the throne with Anora, then the Mac Tir line more or less becomes the de facto new Dynasty in Ferelden. Assuming that Anora can have an heir, of course, as you mentioned TDKR. If Alistair becomes king, he's inherently legitimized and his bastard stigma gets legally swept under the rug, allowing the Theirin line to continue (assuming, of course, that the Joining doesn't make you sterile).

 

But if there hasn't been an heir by this point, I think we're headed for a Targaryen/Baratheon style break in Ferelden, because no one single family has a firm hold on the right to succession. All it takes in that scenario is a strong, opportunistic house to try to make a play for the throne. My guess is that, once the Blight damage recedes enough to allow for the nobles to occupy themselves with political power games again, a war of succession seems likely (like the one that followed Nero's death in Rome). At that point, whoever wins gets to establish themselves as the next dynasty, and the cycle begins again.

 

TL;DR I think a civil war is inevitable, even if it takes a few decades, unless everyone in the aristocracy can unanimously and peacefully agree on a new monarch once Alistair or Anora or the Warden die.

[animedreamer]

I raised  this same question a month or two ago, and all i got was....

 

"You only care about your warden, what about those of us who don't want their character having a baby."

 

Even though i specifically laid out 3 different scenarios in which a heir for the throne need be had.

 

I can't wait to see all the pro baby making post in this thread simply because i didn't raise the question. 

 

http://forum.bioware...-to-the-throne/

 

im not upset im just saying.

[WarriorOfLight999]

I've often thought of this little dilemma, thank you for bringing it up TDK.

 

Here's my view of the situation: Neither Cailan nor Anora were infertile. Eamon was trying to get Cailan to divorce Celene, which nearly worked, and also convinced Cailan not to sire an heir. That's why there was no child. Anora as infertile? Only rumors imo. Rumors spread by vicious, petty nobles who balk at the thought of a common born Queen.

 

The Warden issue of fertility? Realistically, I think there are work arounds. First, there's the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Second, there's Avernus, a Warden blood mage who has specialized in improving the Wardens.

 

Assuming, however, that there is still no heir, the Guerrins won't take the throne. Eamon won't be able to foster a non mage child without remarrying, because Isolde dies giving birth to Rowan. Teagan marries either Kaitlyn or Bella, and I doubt the Bannorn will want another commoner as Queen.

 

If Anora is alive, she is, as you say, in her forties, and is thus out of the picture. So is Loghain, who is in Montsimmard as a Grey Warden, or dead.

 

That leaves Fergus Cousland. There's little to no love for Rendon Howe in the Landsmeet, and I imagine nobles will want to get back in the good graces of the Couslands, especially Nathaniel Howe. I see it highly likely that Fergus will take the Crown Matrimonial, and usher in a new line of Ferelden Kings. 

[Shadow Fox]

If the Warden married Alistair Ferelden's screwed

If Anora rules alone Ferelden's screwed

All three other choices leave Ferelden potentially screwed.

[WarriorOfLight999]

How so? Even discounting the problem of succession, which I don't think is too much of a hurtle imo, if Ferelden has strong leadership during this Breach crisis, that counts for a lot.

[Shadow Fox]

How so? Even discounting the problem of succession, which I don't think is too much of a hurtle imo, if Ferelden has strong leadership during this Breach crisis, that counts for a lot.

I mean long term ofcourse.

 

No heir=succession crisis.

 

Both the Warden and Alistair are virtually infertile on their own, together?Well better pray the good fade spirit exists.

 

Anora refuses to remarry so unless she can reproduce asexually no heir there either.

 

The other three depend solely on Anora or Alistair's future bride's fertility so they're potentially screwed status.

[Killdren88]

If Alistiar isn't with the Fem Warden, I'm certain Alistair got with some noble woman yet to be announced.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Fair enough.

 

I think Anora not remarrying is extremely foolish, and bad writing imo. She should have married Fergus, but perhaps that was not an option. If I were Fergus, I'd have little to no respect for the Queen who did nothing as Howe rampaged around Ferelden for a year, unpunished.

 

If Alistair rules alone, I think Eamon is trying to set him up with Celene. But buying the allegiance of Ferelden nobles takes time, patience, and a lot of Orlesian coin.

 

If the Warden rules, again, I think there are ways around the fertility issue.

[Gtdef]

So wait, if Alistair is made king, and he does the ritual with Morrigan, does that mean that Morrigan goes where she pleases?

[Br3admax]

Neither the Warden or Alistair are infertile. That really isn't a problem .

 

As to the Dark Ritual, that wouldn't work, because no doubt that child is a mage. All titles are forfeit. 

[QueenofFereldan]

I would love to see Fergus Cousland as king, should Alistair and/or Anora don't have their own heir. He's definitely kind, brave, and from what you learn, a good leader. Least, he would have to be if his own father--who isn't an idiot--would have him lead their soldiers to Ostagar.

 

Though are we sure he would remarry after losing his own wife and son? 

[WarriorOfLight999]

That's accurate, Breadmax, but I don't think that was his question. Yes, Morrigan will leave with the child and go where she pleases, and I seriously doubt she has designs on the throne of Ferelden.

[Urazz]

Well, all illustrious lines usually end at some point due to inferior descendants messing up the mojo (the Medici in Florence and the end of the Julio-Claudian line in Ancient Rome spring to mind most readily, lol Nero).

 

If Cousland takes the throne with Anora, then the Mac Tir line more or less becomes the de facto new Dynasty in Ferelden. Assuming that Anora can have an heir, of course, as you mentioned TDKR. If Alistair becomes king, he's inherently legitimized and his bastard stigma gets legally swept under the rug, allowing the Theirin line to continue (assuming, of course, that the Joining doesn't make you sterile).

 

But if there hasn't been an heir by this point, I think we're headed for a Targaryen/Baratheon style break in Ferelden, because no one single family has a firm hold on the right to succession. All it takes in that scenario is a strong, opportunistic house to try to make a play for the throne. My guess is that, once the Blight damage recedes enough to allow for the nobles to occupy themselves with political power games again, a war of succession seems likely (like the one that followed Nero's death in Rome). At that point, whoever wins gets to establish themselves as the next dynasty, and the cycle begins again.

 

TL;DR I think a civil war is inevitable, even if it takes a few decades, unless everyone in the aristocracy can unanimously and peacefully agree on a new monarch once Alistair or Anora or the Warden die.

It also depends on if Alistair/Anora names his/her successor ahead of time and gives everyone time to adapt to that person inheriting the throne.  The Game of Thrones war of succession is a completely different situation I think.

[Icy Magebane]

If we go by The Last Flight the year is 9:42 Dragon. Alistair and the Warden would have been tainted for more than a decade and Queen Anora would be in her forties making an heir an unlikely possibility. So in all that time the most powerful people in Ferelden didn't think of asking the Circle of Magi, whom again depending on choice was spared by Alistair and the Warden, for help?

Can Thedosian mages actually help infertile couples?  If so, allowing things to get this far without asking them for aid was quite foolish... assuming the Circle survived, of course.

 

As for this topic... I honestly have no clue what's going to happen.  This business of no heir regardless of what happened in DA:O is kind of strange, but it seems rather convenient, as this will allow Bioware to come up with a single canon ruler at some point in the future.  No idea who that will be, though...

[Icy Magebane]

An assumption on my part. Henselt and Síle came to mind. I'm sure it does exist but heavily sanctioned by the Chantry. Probably retaliation for Alistair's willingness to work with apostates. And now I'm trailing off into head canon territory.

Oh, I was just curious... maybe World of Thedas mentioned it or something. You never know.  That would certainly be interesting if mages had such abilities, although knowing Dragon Age, the child would probably be born an abomination.  Nothing is ever simple in Thedas...