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[Br3admax]

Howe can't legally own land as a Warden nor can Fergus give back land that is no longer his. 

[Daerog]

Fergus, Gaspard, or the Couslands in the north with the Dalish elves taking over the south.

 

I'm thinking that Fergus is going to succeed to the throne.

 

However, this does bring up an issue with the Teyrns, though. If Fergus succeeds and the Mac Tir line goes away, will there be no more Teyrns?

 

Of course the queen/king can name new Teyrns, but this would give opportunity for the throne to centralize more power by not naming any Teyrns and giving more power to the throne. This way Fereldan can grow more into a superpower if it wishes to compete with the other nations. Of course this would cause issues, but having the armies that would be loyal to the Teyrns instead be only loyal to the crown can really help with controlling the nation.

 

Or I could be wrong and it would just make governing more difficult, but this situation does give the opportunity for change with the Fereldan system, possibly allowing the crown to consolidate more power.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Howe can't legally own land as a Warden nor can Fergus give back land that is no longer his. 

It appears that the whole "can't legally own land" thing matters to precisely nobody (and that's assuming that he didn't give it to his sister anyway), and if the Howes were Fergus's vassals (as I believe they were) then technically Amaranthine is still his, with the Wardens technically his vassals. (Unless the crown decided to royally screw him.)

 

Here's my view of the situation: Neither Cailan nor Anora were infertile. Eamon was trying to get Cailan to divorce Celene, which nearly worked, and also convinced Cailan not to sire an heir. That's why there was no child. Anora as infertile? Only rumors imo. Rumors spread by vicious, petty nobles who balk at the thought of a common born Queen.

I doubt it. The letter that Eamon sent Cailan to try and urge him to divorce Anora actually seemed to imply he regretted the fact that Anora wouldn't get pregnant.

[Eveangaline]

The Female warden can end married to Alistair but with Zevran on the side right? Just let him be in charge of making an heir with her. Wouldn't be the first time an elf blooded bastard ended up on the throne of Ferelden.

 

Or make Fergus or Teagan king. Both seem like good choices (Or more likely their daughters/sons, since by the time alistair/anora/warden die of old age, Fergus and Teagan may have croaked too)

[Wolfen09]

Lets see, im not sure what cannon for bioware was, whether it was alistair alone or alistair with anora....  However, in bioware's cannon, there was no dark ritual performed so that is out.  Its more likely that alistair will pull a king maric and get an elven woman pregnant....  anora is said t be infertile, and being in her 40s wont do her any good in that department either.  So either they write in alistair got it on with another chick and bam heir to the throne or they let it fall and have the throne up for grabs.

 

If its up for grabs, there are multiple candidates for the throne......

 

The ones with the closest claims at this point would be arl eamon and bann teagan, as they had a claim through former queen rowan.

 

Next up would be the Teryns, which would be Fergus Cousland and whoever took over the Terynir of Gwaren if your warden didnt.

 

Then it would fall to the Arls and Arlessas.

 

And lastly the Banns.

 

 

The king or queen does not have absolute power, as the lords and ladies of landsmeet can veto any decree by the royalty if they so choose.  This possibly hints at a situation like what happened in orzammar between Bhelen and Harrowmont, where the assembly can vote on a king.  So this is where the whispers of former Teryn of highever bryce cousland becoming king comes from....  if the people of the landsmeet had vetoed cailan's kingship, they could have voted in another....  According to the wiki, this was only speculation, it is not confirmed (as far as im aware) if this is actually on the table for the landsmeet to veto.

[The Ascendant]

According to Anora, Calain may or may have has flings with other women, it is possible that he too has a bastard out there somewhere in Ferelden. Considering that neither Alistair nor Anora could reproduce ,Calain's bastard is the closest thing to an heir. Ormaybe the Warden/ Alistair did manage to get Anora pregnant and an important side quest is protesting a pregnant Anora from assassins. We never do learn where the difficulties lie.

[Eveangaline]

According to Anora, Calain may or may have has flings with other women, it is possible that he too has a bastard out there somewhere in Ferelden. Considering that neither Alistair nor Anora could reproduce ,Calain's bastard is the closest thing to an heir. Ormaybe the Warden/ Alistair did manage to get Anora pregnant and an important side quest is protesting a pregnant Anora from assassins. We never do learn where the difficulties lie.

 

We don't know Anora can't reproduce. That could have easily just been a rumor. Calain may have been the one with fertility problems (Could be why no bastards of him are mentioned as candidates by Eamon)

[BobZilla84]

I always go back to the Dark Ritual because if morrigan is being honest whichever male warden that did it their taint would be passed to the child so technically they wouldnt be a warden anymore well in name and reputation but unless they foolishly retake the Joining maybe the issues the Wardens suffer wont be a problem anymore "Infertility & The Calling".

 

So maybe there could be an heir Therin or Cousland who knows.

[Augustei]

Neither the Warden or Alistair are infertile. That really isn't a problem .

 

As to the Dark Ritual, that wouldn't work, because no doubt that child is a mage. All titles are forfeit. 

 

Being A warden can lessen the likelihood of having a child but it doesn't make it impossible, 2 Wardens eg: Fem Cousland and Alistair cannot conceive a child though, David Gaider has said so.

I would love to see Fergus Cousland as king, should Alistair and/or Anora don't have their own heir. He's definitely kind, brave, and from what you learn, a good leader. Least, he would have to be if his own father--who isn't an idiot--would have him lead their soldiers to Ostagar.

We don't know anything about his Political skills but I don't think they'd be to noteworthy since his strengths seem to all be millitary ones: He was sent south to Ostagar with his father and after the blight he was in the Ferelden army as we find out from Oghren's banter with Nathaniel. We do know his political skill is not as good as his siblings. (Evident by the fact that Bryce asked The Warden to remain at Highever and rule while bringing Fergus south into the danger of the blight, and Bryce believed it was a blight)

 

An assumption on my part. Henselt and Síle came to mind. I'm sure it does exist but heavily sanctioned by the Chantry. Probably retaliation for Alistair's willingness to work with apostates. And now I'm trailing off into head canon territory.

Great, now we just need to find a bloody Kayran to use an ingredient in the potion... Damn where the hell are we going to find one of those, Hopefully those Tevinter Magisters have been experimenting on some sea creatures =P

 

It's not known Anora was infertile, it could have been miserable luck, or Cailan might have been infertile.
And Ferelden is still enamored of the Therin bloodline, and only Alistair can provide an heir meeting that criteria.

I don't think Ferelden actually is enamored in the Theirin bloodline, there are a few outliers like Eamon but most of Ferelden dont actually care about the Theirins. Evident in how so few of the nobility actually took up the call of King Vanedrin Theirin when the Orlesians were invading, or when Brandel was trying to oppose the Orlesians, and even Moira only got very few of them on side.
Then when Maric the Savior died, his son's sucession was uncertain and the line was at risk of passing to A Cousland. Then after Cailens death most of the nobility don't like the idea of replacing Anora with Maric's bastard son, and as evidenced in DAO and in codex's in DA2 You have to work to secure Alistair A great deal of support to even take the throne, and if you give it to Anora and she calls for his execution - not A one of them protests.

 

This is the Bannorn we are talking about; they've been known to go to war over a bridge, a tree, and the name of a mabari. If there isn't a clear line of succession, you can bet it will be on for young and old.


By the end of the fade tears, the Civil War, and the elven uprising, Orlais is likely to be little better off than Ferelden was after the Blight - it's armies decimated, many of its leaders dead, and it's infrastructure in ruins. Whoever emerges on top will most likely rule a pile of rubble and corpses, so I doubt they will be in a position to exercise any imperial ambitions any time soon. If anything, they will need to concern themselves with not being attacked while they are weak by vengeful neighbours on either side who hate them (Ferelden and Nevarra).

The idea of Ferelden attacking Orlais after the breach is a humorous one. Ignoring the fact that they both suffer the demonic invasion of the breach, Ferelden is still recovering from the blight.. And Ferelden was and still is A backwater and Orlais A superpower. Orlais will indeed be weakened by these events, but the idea that Ferelden could pose any serious threat to them is untrue.
 

 

Indeed, Tevinter might decide southern Thedas is ripe for reconquest, a perfect set up for Dragon Age (4): The Imperium Strikes Back.

While that would be cool, It's also very unlikely.. The do still have the Qunari to contend with after all, A War they are still fighting and loosing. They are yet to take back Seheron.
 

That's not even legal. Definitely a rumor then. 

I looked it up. 

 

TW: After your defeat of the archdemon, Teyrn Fergus Cousland of Highever presented you with a prized, purebred mabari hound. He has joined you on your hunt for Morrigan.

 

OWC:  After you were appointed as Warden-Commander of Ferelden, Teyrn Fergus Cousland of Highever presented you with a prized, purebred mabari hound. He has joined you on your hunt for Morrigan.

Amaranthine is a vassal of Highever, title revocation by a liege is legal. As for the can't own land as A warden bit, that precedent was thrown out the window when the wardens were granted Amaranthine (With the First Wardens approval). Then theres the PC who can be A Teyrn of Gwaren or Bann of the Alienage

[Augustei]

The ones with the closest claims at this point would be arl eamon and bann teagan, as they had a claim through former queen rowan.

 

The idea that one can get a claim through being related to A Consort is ludicrous. I know Eamon said he had a claim and all that in Origins, but it doesn't make any sense at all.
But really all that claim through marriage stuff is irrelevant when it comes down to it, The Cantidate with the best claim is the one with the greatest support from the Landsmeet.
Which is why Bryce was so favored to become King despite having no marital to the Theirins.
Fergus would be favored for the crown over Eamon since Eamons heirs are both mages and Eamon is getting on in years.
Teagan is over in Val Royeaux as an ambassador. so it will be hard for him to form any real alliances from over there, not to mention as someone said earlier: He is married to a commoner.
The two real cantidates imo are not the Couslands and Guerrins, but the Couslands and Brylands.
Bryland holds the Arling of south reach, closely situated to the capital and consisting of a great deal of farmland. He also (unlike the other Arls besides Amaranthine) has lesser Banns sworn to him and is well regarded among the nobility.

 

I always go back to the Dark Ritual because if morrigan is being honest whichever male warden that did it their taint would be passed to the child so technically they wouldnt be a warden anymore well in name and reputation but unless they foolishly retake the Joining maybe the issues the Wardens suffer wont be a problem anymore "Infertility & The Calling".

 

So maybe there could be an heir Therin or Cousland who knows.

No the Archdemons taint passed into the child, not the Wardens.. The Warden is still A Grey Warden and still has the taint in them

[john-in-france]

You forgot the other option.

 

If you play return to Ostagar in DAO, you find documents in Cailans chest. These detail how he was planning to divorce Anora, and marry Celene (as well as Orlesian aid with the blight). If you put Alistair on the throne by himself, he is likely to follow though on this. In DA2 we see him returning from an official trip to Orlais.

 

If this happens things get very messy. Leaving the throne of Ferelden open to the Orlesian royal line, and Gaspard etc.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Eamon was choosing his words carefully, in my opinion. He obviously can't say what he really thinks of Anora to his nephew. Seriously, have a conversation with Eamon about Anora in his estate in Denerim. I always get that certain feeling of.....misogyny.

 

Not that I care about Anora, mind you.

[ShadowLordXII]

Perhaps the Landsmeet will decide to do away with having a king/queen at all?

 

They were largely running the show after all. Plus, Ferelden is meant to be modeled after England whose parliament often bloodlessly or violently removed kings/queens from power and eventually rendered their monarchy's power down to a token office.

 

I'm not saying that it would or should happen in this game, but perhaps that's what this lack of an heir business is all about?

 

Otherwise, there's always headcanon. (In mine, Anora and King Cousland had kids)

 

Also, here's something to consider. If none of the royal pairings have had kids yet, then wouldn't that mean that the OGB could be a potential heir to the throne? Yes, King Cousland is technically a consort, but as a potential ruler of two major portions of territory (Amaranthine and Gwaren) and being the hero who saved the country three times should logically put him on the same level as Anora.

 

So, if Anora is indeed barren and something happens to her, Morrigan can show up with the OGB and state that this is King Cousland's son. With The Warden having disappeared at this point, Morrigan would be free to use the OGB to gain direct power over Ferelden in a manner similar to what she did in Orlais. What would she use this influence to do? That depends on Morrigan's motivations, which are not clear at this point.

 

But that was just a random theory of mine. Let's see where this "no-heir ever" business takes us in the future of Ferelden.

[animedreamer]

Flemeth should rule Ferelden she was there before it got its name, and knows more about what probably happened than most others lol.

[animedreamer]

Perhaps the Landsmeet will decide to do away with having a king/queen at all?

 

They were largely running the show after all. Plus, Ferelden is meant to be modeled after England whose parliament often bloodlessly or violently removed kings/queens from power and eventually rendered their monarchy's power down to a token office.

 

I'm not saying that it would or should happen in this game, but perhaps that's what this lack of an heir business is all about?

 

Otherwise, there's always headcanon. (In mine, Anora and King Cousland had kids)

 

Also, here's something to consider. If none of the royal pairings have had kids yet, then wouldn't that mean that the OGB could be a potential heir to the throne? Yes, King Cousland is technically a consort, but as a potential ruler of two major portions of territory (Amaranthine and Gwaren) and being the hero who saved the country three times should logically put him on the same level as Anora.

 

So, if Anora is indeed barren and something happens to her, Morrigan can show up with the OGB and state that this is King Cousland's son. With The Warden having disappeared at this point, Morrigan would be free to use the OGB to gain direct power over Ferelden in a manner similar to what she did in Orlais. What would she use this influence to do? That depends on Morrigan's motivations, which are not clear at this point.

 

But that was just a random theory of mine. Let's see where this "no-heir ever" business takes us in the future of Ferelden.

Why would they believe that Morrigan has the Warden's son?

[Ruairi46]

Honestly I will be extremely disappointed if their isn't some discussions between the inquisitor and Anora + Warden (Warden not returning is ok,as his return could ignite the fire of many enraged fans). I would like to hope that Anora and the Warden became great leaders and did lead Fereldon into a golden age.

[Azaron Nightblade]

 

"You only care about your warden, what about those of us who don't want their character having a baby."

 

They can protest as much as they like, Bioware (Gaider) has already stated that they'll whatever they want with Warden (and other characters) the moment they go offscreen and the matter of "what is canon" arises.

Which means Alistair* and probably Anora (or the female warden) as rulers, and most likely with an heir at some point.

 

* Alistair's already king in one of the comics after all.

[Azaron Nightblade]

You forgot the other option.

 

If you play return to Ostagar in DAO, you find documents in Cailans chest. These detail how he was planning to divorce Anora, and marry Celene (as well as Orlesian aid with the blight). If you put Alistair on the throne by himself, he is likely to follow though on this. In DA2 we see him returning from an official trip to Orlais.

 

If this happens things get very messy. Leaving the throne of Ferelden open to the Orlesian royal line, and Gaspard etc.

Unless I'm mistaken, those documents were all very cryptic and didn't confirm Cailan had any such plans. They merely confirmed that he was discussing something with Celene.

[animedreamer]

I really dont understand how nobility works in Ferelden, i mean Teryn Loghain's story is widely known, a farmers son who was raised to a high noblemen after being instrumental in the war against Orlai. However his daughter is still considered of commoner blood despite her mother being a noble herself? Let's say Anora didn't marry Cailan at all, when would her heirs eventually be worthy of being called true nobles? I mean how does one ever become a true noble in their eyes?

[Ruairi46]

I'd like to think that the Warden and Anora are actually romantically attached to each other considering Warden wasn't in any relationship. Obviously everyones going to want something different for their Warden, so its going to be hard to please everyone.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I'd like to think that the Warden and Anora are actually romantically attached to each other considering Warden wasn't in any relationship. Obviously everyones going to want something different for their Warden, so its going to be hard to please everyone.

That's what I'm assuming with one of my Wardens as well. 

[Yinello]

I really dont understand how nobility works in Ferelden, i mean Teryn Loghain's story is widely known, a farmers son who was raised to a high noblemen after being instrumental in the war against Orlai. However his daughter is still considered of commoner blood despite her mother being a noble herself? Let's say Anora didn't marry Cailan at all, when would her heirs eventually be worthy of being called true nobles? I mean how does one ever become a true noble in their eyes?

 

Anora is nobility however Arl Eamon didn't consider Loghain to be of noble blood and thus wanted to get rid of Anora. Basically he's just a jerk because he can't see past Loghains origin. Being a noble is just a title in the end.

[Augustei]

Unless I'm mistaken, those documents were all very cryptic and didn't confirm Cailan had any such plans. They merely confirmed that he was discussing something with Celene.

Gaider confirmed their contents. Cailan planned to leave Anora for Celene

[Br3admax]

Never! Ferelden will stand on it's own!

Filthy, dog lord. You should be grateful that Orlais is so forgiving.